Chem-Marin Stop Parasites HELP ASAP!

mujtba · 08/02/2007, 10:02 AM

its my lunch time at work and i wanted to go but it ASAP.. I called a LFS and they do not have Kick ICH, but they do have Chem-Marin Stop Parasites. I did a draze search and found it is reef safe...

anyone used it?

quickly HELP!!!

lecher · 08/02/2007, 10:32 AM

In my opinion, there are no effective reef safe ich medications. Need to remove ALL fish treat in a hospital tank and let the main tank go fishless for 4-8 weeks.

mujtba · 08/02/2007, 11:06 AM

well i dont see how i am going to set a tank big enuf for 6fish, and get them OUT of my main tank.. i waited for a response for this medicine, but no one responded, so i got it. i hope it will work. plus i read this http://www.chem-marin.com/cohenapt2.htm

HBtank · 08/02/2007, 12:02 PM

As stated above, there really is no solution that comes in a bottle that will not adversly effect your tank.

Even in your link, it says "reef-safe" but just a few lines down It has MANY precautions. Just because I would hate for you to harm your tank, I grabbed a few an posted them below. It is quite obvious it is not entirely "reef-safe" , here they are.

"Sensitive hard corals such as Acropora and mushrooms probably ought to be moved to a quarantine tank during treatment,"

They do not even know what a hard coral is regarding mushrooms... quite reassuring..

"Also, you must observe you inverts closely to make sure you are not stressing them too much. "

why is their reef-safe product "stressing" inverts..? here are a bunch more that would concern me

"May cause some stony corals to slime up, also, and if they are too stressed, as demonstrated by their closing up, you can put them into a secondary holding tank for the day."

" is safe for most fish species, but he precautions that you not use it with lionfish, stonefish, scorpionfish, starfish, sea urchins, medusa worms, sea apples, sea cucumbers, or nudibranchs"

"may cause pH to drop if the aquarium water is not properly buffered, so to be on the safe side, one should monitor pH when using it and use a buffer if the pH does drop, it will do so almost immediately,"

I don't know what they think a "reef" is, but it sure is not safe for my definition of one.

mujtba · 08/02/2007, 12:05 PM

No you read it wrong.. that article talks about SEVERAL medicines.. you read the info for: 'RxP marine medicine', not for 'Chem-Marin Stop Parasites'... read again.

HBtank · 08/02/2007, 12:11 PM

They are saying they are essentially the same product. I thought that was obvious....

But you bring up a good point, onsidering they talk about Kent more than their own product, I would be pretty skeptical about just that. They probably think the Kent name is more trusted...

"Other products coming on the market with a hot pepper base (with additional, obviously proprietary, ingredients which are likewise food-based) are effective against ich in freshwater aquariums, saltwater aquariums, or both. They are harmless to all or most inverts (see below), the biological filter, and more importantly, to you.
Two such products already on the market with which I am familiar are Chem-Marin's Stop Parasites and Kent Marine's RxP Marine "

mujtba · 08/02/2007, 12:12 PM

my LFS also recommended it.. i had no choice.. pray

HBtank · 08/02/2007, 12:13 PM

Yeh, if there is one thing I learned on RC, it is to always trust you LFS...

HBtank · 08/02/2007, 12:18 PM

You realize they directly state to REMOVE the hardiest coral known (mushrooms) through the most sensitive (acropora).

They are directly telling you it will effect ANY coral known by referenceing those two corals...

Also, people have had tank crashes from the massive dieoff from these products that might not directly harm you visible livestock but everything else you don't see (worms .. pods..etc..)

Anwyays, good luck

mujtba · 08/02/2007, 12:19 PM

exactly

it was Chem-Marin Stop Parasites or KICK ICH.. no one in a 30mile radius near me has KICH ICH.. so i went with Chem-Marin Stop Parasites...

my other option u ask? to empty 175lbs of LR in order to pull out all the fish. Get another 20g tank. But another heater and pump.. set that tank up. put the fish in for 4 weeks.

HBtank · 08/02/2007, 12:20 PM

The only option.

That is the point........

Buy a fish trap.

HBtank · 08/02/2007, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HBtank
Yeh, if there is one thing I learned on RC, it is to always trust you LFS...

cough... sarcasm... cough

mujtba · 08/02/2007, 12:34 PM

haha i know u were sarcastic.. but look at my 2nd option.. i am sure to kill everything doin that!

adambaron · 08/02/2007, 01:55 PM

How bad is your breakout? I have to say I've never liked the sound of any of those medications but if the breakout is not bad you could feed garlic and fit a UV. I know some may say that will not do anything but with my very minor cases of ich it seemed to work.

wharfrat48 · 08/02/2007, 02:00 PM

My take on parasites--- if your tank doesn't have them it eventually will and there is no way to safely rid your tank of them. The best offense is usually a better defense. Keep your fish stress free and well fed, your water parameters perfect and allow your fish to fight off the infection themselves. My blue tang had a moderate case of ick a month or so after I purchased him about 3 years ago. It cleared up and he has been healthy as can be. I recently upgraded to a 180 and the ick showed itself again on the tang and a couple of others. It cleared up in about a week. Just removing the fish and treating them in a q tank will not cut it because the cysts have been shown to last for months if not years without a host. Plus the stress of catching and transferring a fish twice doesnt help either. JMO

08/02/2007, 10:02 AM	#1
mujtba Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 693	Chem-Marin Stop Parasites HELP ASAP! its my lunch time at work and i wanted to go but it ASAP.. I called a LFS and they do not have Kick ICH, but they do have Chem-Marin Stop Parasites. I did a draze search and found it is reef safe... anyone used it? quickly HELP!!!

08/02/2007, 12:02 PM	#4
HBtank Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 2,957	As stated above, there really is no solution that comes in a bottle that will not adversly effect your tank. Even in your link, it says "reef-safe" but just a few lines down It has MANY precautions. Just because I would hate for you to harm your tank, I grabbed a few an posted them below. It is quite obvious it is not entirely "reef-safe" , here they are. "Sensitive hard corals such as Acropora and mushrooms probably ought to be moved to a quarantine tank during treatment," They do not even know what a hard coral is regarding mushrooms... quite reassuring.. "Also, you must observe you inverts closely to make sure you are not stressing them too much. " why is their reef-safe product "stressing" inverts..? here are a bunch more that would concern me "May cause some stony corals to slime up, also, and if they are too stressed, as demonstrated by their closing up, you can put them into a secondary holding tank for the day." " is safe for most fish species, but he precautions that you not use it with lionfish, stonefish, scorpionfish, starfish, sea urchins, medusa worms, sea apples, sea cucumbers, or nudibranchs" "may cause pH to drop if the aquarium water is not properly buffered, so to be on the safe side, one should monitor pH when using it and use a buffer if the pH does drop, it will do so almost immediately," I don't know what they think a "reef" is, but it sure is not safe for my definition of one. __________________ 80g Aiptasia dominated reef tank.. with fish and now a bunch of berghia! Current Tank Info: 80g tank, re-starting a reef after a zoanthid nudibranch plauge, followed by months of steady and unstoppable STN/RTN, crashed; stayed FOWLR for a couple years, currently an aiptasia dominated reef tank with fishies and BERGHIA Last edited by HBtank; 08/02/2007 at 12:15 PM.

08/02/2007, 12:11 PM	#6
HBtank Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 2,957	They are saying they are essentially the same product. I thought that was obvious.... But you bring up a good point, onsidering they talk about Kent more than their own product, I would be pretty skeptical about just that. They probably think the Kent name is more trusted... "Other products coming on the market with a hot pepper base (with additional, obviously proprietary, ingredients which are likewise food-based) are effective against ich in freshwater aquariums, saltwater aquariums, or both. They are harmless to all or most inverts (see below), the biological filter, and more importantly, to you. Two such products already on the market with which I am familiar are Chem-Marin's Stop Parasites and Kent Marine's RxP Marine " __________________ 80g Aiptasia dominated reef tank.. with fish and now a bunch of berghia! Current Tank Info: 80g tank, re-starting a reef after a zoanthid nudibranch plauge, followed by months of steady and unstoppable STN/RTN, crashed; stayed FOWLR for a couple years, currently an aiptasia dominated reef tank with fishies and BERGHIA

08/02/2007, 12:13 PM	#8
HBtank Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 2,957	Yeh, if there is one thing I learned on RC, it is to always trust you LFS... __________________ 80g Aiptasia dominated reef tank.. with fish and now a bunch of berghia! Current Tank Info: 80g tank, re-starting a reef after a zoanthid nudibranch plauge, followed by months of steady and unstoppable STN/RTN, crashed; stayed FOWLR for a couple years, currently an aiptasia dominated reef tank with fishies and BERGHIA

08/02/2007, 12:18 PM	#9
HBtank Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 2,957	You realize they directly state to REMOVE the hardiest coral known (mushrooms) through the most sensitive (acropora). They are directly telling you it will effect ANY coral known by referenceing those two corals... Also, people have had tank crashes from the massive dieoff from these products that might not directly harm you visible livestock but everything else you don't see (worms .. pods..etc..) Anwyays, good luck __________________ 80g Aiptasia dominated reef tank.. with fish and now a bunch of berghia! Current Tank Info: 80g tank, re-starting a reef after a zoanthid nudibranch plauge, followed by months of steady and unstoppable STN/RTN, crashed; stayed FOWLR for a couple years, currently an aiptasia dominated reef tank with fishies and BERGHIA Last edited by HBtank; 08/02/2007 at 12:28 PM.

08/02/2007, 10:32 AM	#2
lecher Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: SC Posts: 676	In my opinion, there are no effective reef safe ich medications. Need to remove ALL fish treat in a hospital tank and let the main tank go fishless for 4-8 weeks.

08/02/2007, 11:06 AM	#3
mujtba Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 693	well i dont see how i am going to set a tank big enuf for 6fish, and get them OUT of my main tank.. i waited for a response for this medicine, but no one responded, so i got it. i hope it will work. plus i read this http://www.chem-marin.com/cohenapt2.htm

08/02/2007, 12:05 PM	#5
mujtba Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 693	No you read it wrong.. that article talks about SEVERAL medicines.. you read the info for: 'RxP marine medicine', not for 'Chem-Marin Stop Parasites'... read again.

08/02/2007, 12:12 PM	#7
mujtba Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 693	my LFS also recommended it.. i had no choice.. pray

08/02/2007, 12:19 PM	#10
mujtba Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 693	exactly it was Chem-Marin Stop Parasites or KICK ICH.. no one in a 30mile radius near me has KICH ICH.. so i went with Chem-Marin Stop Parasites... my other option u ask? to empty 175lbs of LR in order to pull out all the fish. Get another 20g tank. But another heater and pump.. set that tank up. put the fish in for 4 weeks.

08/02/2007, 12:20 PM	#11
HBtank Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 2,957	The only option. That is the point........ Buy a fish trap. __________________ 80g Aiptasia dominated reef tank.. with fish and now a bunch of berghia! Current Tank Info: 80g tank, re-starting a reef after a zoanthid nudibranch plauge, followed by months of steady and unstoppable STN/RTN, crashed; stayed FOWLR for a couple years, currently an aiptasia dominated reef tank with fishies and BERGHIA

08/02/2007, 12:34 PM	#13
mujtba Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 693	haha i know u were sarcastic.. but look at my 2nd option.. i am sure to kill everything doin that!

08/02/2007, 01:55 PM	#14
adambaron Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pooler, GA Posts: 208	How bad is your breakout? I have to say I've never liked the sound of any of those medications but if the breakout is not bad you could feed garlic and fit a UV. I know some may say that will not do anything but with my very minor cases of ich it seemed to work. __________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." -Douglas Adams Current Tank Info: 180 reef, 55gal african cichlid

08/02/2007, 02:00 PM	#15
wharfrat48 Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 468	My take on parasites--- if your tank doesn't have them it eventually will and there is no way to safely rid your tank of them. The best offense is usually a better defense. Keep your fish stress free and well fed, your water parameters perfect and allow your fish to fight off the infection themselves. My blue tang had a moderate case of ick a month or so after I purchased him about 3 years ago. It cleared up and he has been healthy as can be. I recently upgraded to a 180 and the ick showed itself again on the tang and a couple of others. It cleared up in about a week. Just removing the fish and treating them in a q tank will not cut it because the cysts have been shown to last for months if not years without a host. Plus the stress of catching and transferring a fish twice doesnt help either. JMO