Help!!!! DKH=15.0 and ALK=5.37

ricwilli · 09/12/2007, 04:54 PM

How can I get it down??????? Will something happen to my corals?

oct2274 · 09/12/2007, 05:03 PM

I doubt that is a correct reading unless you were dumping alk suppliments in the aquarium incorrectly. Try another test kit. if it is correct, you can do water changes, but it will go down on its own.

JRod · 09/12/2007, 05:39 PM

What kit are you using to test with?

Check again as stated above.

ricwilli · 09/12/2007, 06:05 PM

OK, I retested and I got the same results. I am using Salifert ALK Test kit. About a week ago I started running a CA Reactor (never ran/used one before). After it ran for a few days I tested for Allk and the readings were dKH=6.1 and ALK=2.17. I was told to shut the reactor off, so I did. Today I test the ALK and got the readings that I posted.

chaseracing · 09/12/2007, 06:41 PM

A high Alk reading can usually be cured with dosing calcium directly into the tank. Be careful not to use one that has a buffering agent in it as this can also raise the alk. use something like Kent Turbo Calcium. ( I made this mistake once trying to fix a low Ph problem)

Crank the calcium up to 450- 500 and the alk will come down over a day or so.

Your reactor will not be able to do this. Dosing works better and faster.

Are you monitoring the Ph of the fluid coming out of your reactor?

-=E=-

chaseracing · 09/12/2007, 06:44 PM

Also, there is a great article on this very topic in Reef Keeping magazine (part 3 of Aquarium chemistry). The article reference this article which tells you how to fix this.

The article was written by Randy Holmes-Farley who happens to spend a lot of time on this website.

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/nov2002/chem.htm

-=E=-

LobsterOfJustice · 09/12/2007, 06:56 PM

There was a recent bad batch of salifert kits that were reading extremely high. That might be it.

stevenw56 · 09/12/2007, 07:09 PM

I had the same problem awhile back caused by adding to much Kent buffer to raise PH. I brought Ca and alk back inline by adding 3 teaspoons of Kent Turbo Calcium (calcium chloride) to 8 ounces of RO water and mixing then adding it to the tank daily. I have a 75 gal. It took about week to balance the Ca and alk. Make sure you let the mixture cool before adding it to your tank. If you've been dosing kalkwasser, stop until you balance Ca and alk.

ricwilli · 09/12/2007, 07:26 PM

I will purchase the Kent Turbo Calcium tomorrow. I haven't been dosing anything but calcium with a reactor. I have stoped using it for about 3-4 days now. Thanks for the link.

plyle02 · 09/12/2007, 07:39 PM

Are you using RO/DI water? I used a cheap RO filter for awhile, only to find out it did not remove alkalinity. The water was going in so high on the alk chart, that by the time the salt and the water mixed, I was going in at 15dkh. I now use strictly RO/DI, and have not had a problem since. Apparently something to do with the aquifers here in FL, just a shot in the dark.....

Also agree w/ some of the previous statements about Salifert, some of the tests have apparently been suspect to inaccurate readings

JMO..... Good luck....

Peter Eichler · 09/12/2007, 07:43 PM

Just let it come down naturally. There is really nothing wrong with a dKH of 15.

ricwilli · 09/12/2007, 08:01 PM

Yes I am using RO/DI. Always have been. All this started happening as soon as I started using the calcium reactor. I have never used one before.

LobsterOfJustice · 09/12/2007, 08:16 PM

You need to be testing alk every day when you are dialing in the reactor. Generally you want the pH at a certian point depending on what media you run, and adjust the drip rate to control how much you are dosing.

Ewan · 09/13/2007, 07:01 AM

When you 'cure' high alk by adding lots of calcium, all you're doing is encouraging calcium carbonate deposits. Pump impellers and heaters will receive a coat of calcium carbonate. Not good for either.

Whatever your supplement strategy is, leave the ALK part out until it lowers to an acceptable level. Continue to buffer Ca at the regular daily level until your Alk is spot on. Then continue to dose Ca and Alk at balanced proportions. If you're using a reactor, turn off the CO2 for a few days and buffer just the calcium component with Calcium buffer (buffer, don't raise calcium). I would recommend turbo calcium for this.

Chaseracing posted an excellent link. You're in zone 3. The article, however, does not recommend to raise calcium to correct this, but rather, maintain your calcium level while excluding the daily alk buffer.

A bit of record keeping, some daily tests and you'll be back on track in no time.

-E.

HDAlien · 09/13/2007, 07:05 AM

Just let it come down on its own.

Ewan · 09/13/2007, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HDAlien
Just let it come down on its own.

Actually, this is the safest bet.

Once it's at an acceptable level, then buffer calcium, then continue with a balanced additive (reactor).

09/12/2007, 04:54 PM	#1
ricwilli Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 929	Help!!!! DKH=15.0 and ALK=5.37 How can I get it down??????? Will something happen to my corals? __________________ If you buy cheap solution, be prepare for it's limitation.

09/12/2007, 06:05 PM	#4
ricwilli Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 929	OK, I retested and I got the same results. I am using Salifert ALK Test kit. About a week ago I started running a CA Reactor (never ran/used one before). After it ran for a few days I tested for Allk and the readings were dKH=6.1 and ALK=2.17. I was told to shut the reactor off, so I did. Today I test the ALK and got the readings that I posted. __________________ If you buy cheap solution, be prepare for it's limitation.

09/12/2007, 06:41 PM	#5
chaseracing Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bartlett, IL Posts: 1,208	A high Alk reading can usually be cured with dosing calcium directly into the tank. Be careful not to use one that has a buffering agent in it as this can also raise the alk. use something like Kent Turbo Calcium. ( I made this mistake once trying to fix a low Ph problem) Crank the calcium up to 450- 500 and the alk will come down over a day or so. Your reactor will not be able to do this. Dosing works better and faster. Are you monitoring the Ph of the fluid coming out of your reactor? -=E=- __________________ I want my dog's life. Current Tank Info: 150gal RR Oceanic - (3) 250w. ReefLux 12K, (2) 96w PC 50/50, (3) Tunze 6025 modded, (3) Tunze 6045's, ASM G3, MRC-1, Melev F sump/fuge, all run off of an Aquacontroller Jr. Mixed Reef w/ lots of Fish and not enough rock.

09/12/2007, 06:44 PM	#6
chaseracing Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bartlett, IL Posts: 1,208	Also, there is a great article on this very topic in Reef Keeping magazine (part 3 of Aquarium chemistry). The article reference this article which tells you how to fix this. The article was written by Randy Holmes-Farley who happens to spend a lot of time on this website. http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/nov2002/chem.htm -=E=- __________________ I want my dog's life. Current Tank Info: 150gal RR Oceanic - (3) 250w. ReefLux 12K, (2) 96w PC 50/50, (3) Tunze 6025 modded, (3) Tunze 6045's, ASM G3, MRC-1, Melev F sump/fuge, all run off of an Aquacontroller Jr. Mixed Reef w/ lots of Fish and not enough rock.

09/12/2007, 06:56 PM	#7
LobsterOfJustice Recovering Detritophobe Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 7,443	There was a recent bad batch of salifert kits that were reading extremely high. That might be it. __________________ If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple." Current Tank Info: 180g reef with all the bells and whistles

09/12/2007, 05:03 PM	#2
oct2274 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 2,347	I doubt that is a correct reading unless you were dumping alk suppliments in the aquarium incorrectly. Try another test kit. if it is correct, you can do water changes, but it will go down on its own.

09/12/2007, 05:39 PM	#3
JRod Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Springfield, NJ Posts: 795	What kit are you using to test with? Check again as stated above.

09/12/2007, 07:09 PM	#8
stevenw56 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Port Orange, Fl Posts: 72	I had the same problem awhile back caused by adding to much Kent buffer to raise PH. I brought Ca and alk back inline by adding 3 teaspoons of Kent Turbo Calcium (calcium chloride) to 8 ounces of RO water and mixing then adding it to the tank daily. I have a 75 gal. It took about week to balance the Ca and alk. Make sure you let the mixture cool before adding it to your tank. If you've been dosing kalkwasser, stop until you balance Ca and alk.

09/12/2007, 07:26 PM	#9
ricwilli Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 929	I will purchase the Kent Turbo Calcium tomorrow. I haven't been dosing anything but calcium with a reactor. I have stoped using it for about 3-4 days now. Thanks for the link. __________________ If you buy cheap solution, be prepare for it's limitation.

09/12/2007, 07:39 PM	#10
plyle02 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lake Helen, FL Posts: 5,526	Are you using RO/DI water? I used a cheap RO filter for awhile, only to find out it did not remove alkalinity. The water was going in so high on the alk chart, that by the time the salt and the water mixed, I was going in at 15dkh. I now use strictly RO/DI, and have not had a problem since. Apparently something to do with the aquifers here in FL, just a shot in the dark..... Also agree w/ some of the previous statements about Salifert, some of the tests have apparently been suspect to inaccurate readings JMO..... Good luck.... __________________ Perry "Anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die" ~Buddha~ Current Tank Info: 50 Gallon AIO Cube, Aquamaxx WS-1 Skimmer, LED/ Hybrid 4x24 watt t5

09/12/2007, 07:43 PM	#11
Peter Eichler Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 6,081	Just let it come down naturally. There is really nothing wrong with a dKH of 15. __________________ April 2015 TOTM

09/12/2007, 08:01 PM	#12
ricwilli Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 929	Yes I am using RO/DI. Always have been. All this started happening as soon as I started using the calcium reactor. I have never used one before. __________________ If you buy cheap solution, be prepare for it's limitation.

09/12/2007, 08:16 PM	#13
LobsterOfJustice Recovering Detritophobe Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 7,443	You need to be testing alk every day when you are dialing in the reactor. Generally you want the pH at a certian point depending on what media you run, and adjust the drip rate to control how much you are dosing. __________________ If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right. I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple." Current Tank Info: 180g reef with all the bells and whistles

09/13/2007, 07:01 AM	#14
Ewan Premium Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Fredericton, NB, Canada Posts: 2,594	When you 'cure' high alk by adding lots of calcium, all you're doing is encouraging calcium carbonate deposits. Pump impellers and heaters will receive a coat of calcium carbonate. Not good for either. Whatever your supplement strategy is, leave the ALK part out until it lowers to an acceptable level. Continue to buffer Ca at the regular daily level until your Alk is spot on. Then continue to dose Ca and Alk at balanced proportions. If you're using a reactor, turn off the CO2 for a few days and buffer just the calcium component with Calcium buffer (buffer, don't raise calcium). I would recommend turbo calcium for this. Chaseracing posted an excellent link. You're in zone 3. The article, however, does not recommend to raise calcium to correct this, but rather, maintain your calcium level while excluding the daily alk buffer. A bit of record keeping, some daily tests and you'll be back on track in no time. -E.

09/13/2007, 07:05 AM	#15
HDAlien Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 476	Just let it come down on its own. __________________ ¡ʞuɐʇ ʎɯ ǝʌo1 ı Current Tank Info: 220 gal. reef