Thinking about adding a sump but need help

alfieferenzo84 · 10/30/2007, 07:42 AM

So i think i might be best off adding a sump with a fuge and prolly a skimmer so i have the basic idea of it and have a 20 gallon tank laying aroung but i dont understand these overflow boxes like what size should i run and a return pump what size along with the lines how big and all that good stuff, As for the sump it seem pretty simple with placing balffles but some insight or plans that anyone has let me know lets figure this out so i can get a idea price and see if i can afford it!

75 gallon main not drilled

got 20gallon tall 24x16x12
and 20 long 30 12 12

return height would be 4ft

have to use some kind of overflow system as my tank is not drilled and i dont think it would be a good idea to have it drilled to much work lol

so let me know what you all got, Thanks

Playa-1 · 10/30/2007, 07:59 AM

Here check out these sites and you will get mucho information. www.melevsreef.com/acrylics/sumps/f/sump_f.html
www.wetwebmedia.com/refugium.htm

Toddrtrex · 10/30/2007, 09:27 AM

Pretty much what I had/have. I made the sump out of a 30 gal tank, and used a LifeReef overflow box.

Because of the way my stand ( for the tank ) is, I had to make a separate stand for the sump.

Here is a link to a bunch of pictures of it, if you have any questions, feel free to ask.

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y18.../Sump/?start=0

alfieferenzo84 · 10/30/2007, 09:32 PM

do they really put off that much heat? How do you control the flow of the overflow you do you just have to take a good guess on what flow they will do? where about should i put the baffles?

About flow i have been reading a ton on it and it says everywhere to go like 10-20x a hr flip but in a 20l sump your only talking 12 gallons of water and at 1200gph that is what like 100x a hr then? I dont understand that part! Also my sump is just for a fuge so wouldnt i want a slower flow like 5-12gph flip in the sump? which would be like a 300gph overflow then, this part i really dont understand, I got a good idea of everything else but would like advice on the top but on the bottom i have no clue!

Thanks

MinnFish · 10/30/2007, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by alfieferenzo84

About flow i have been reading a ton on it and it says everywhere to go like 10-20x a hr flip but in a 20l sump your only talking 12 gallons of water and at 1200gph that is what like 100x a hr then? I dont understand that part!
Thanks

This is the amount of flow in the DT, not the sump.

alfieferenzo84 · 10/31/2007, 07:38 AM

so what size of overflows and pump to i want? I am prolly going to do a 20h or 20l i think the 20h will give me more volume? let me know, Thanks

papagimp · 10/31/2007, 07:48 AM

My 75g uses a 20g Long Sump/Fuge seen here:

I'm currently using a mag12 return pump split to 4 outlets (heavy headloss) and a dual overflow box. Too much for all this, a single overflow would have worke fine with an estimated 600gph returning to the display after head loss. I think a 20 long would be more effective than a 20 tall, you have more room for the baffle placement.

fwiw, the painted black section is the refugium, I have a fluval canister feeding this portion from the drain section of the sump,

10/30/2007, 07:42 AM	#1
alfieferenzo84 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: north ridgeville ohio Posts: 233	Thinking about adding a sump but need help So i think i might be best off adding a sump with a fuge and prolly a skimmer so i have the basic idea of it and have a 20 gallon tank laying aroung but i dont understand these overflow boxes like what size should i run and a return pump what size along with the lines how big and all that good stuff, As for the sump it seem pretty simple with placing balffles but some insight or plans that anyone has let me know lets figure this out so i can get a idea price and see if i can afford it! 75 gallon main not drilled got 20gallon tall 24x16x12 and 20 long 30 12 12 return height would be 4ft have to use some kind of overflow system as my tank is not drilled and i dont think it would be a good idea to have it drilled to much work lol so let me know what you all got, Thanks

10/30/2007, 09:27 AM	#3
Toddrtrex Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 23,162	Pretty much what I had/have. I made the sump out of a 30 gal tank, and used a LifeReef overflow box. Because of the way my stand ( for the tank ) is, I had to make a separate stand for the sump. Here is a link to a bunch of pictures of it, if you have any questions, feel free to ask. http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y18.../Sump/?start=0 __________________ Click my name and then "visit toddrtrex's homepage" for tank pictures Current Tank Info: 210g reef and 65g reef

10/30/2007, 09:32 PM	#4
alfieferenzo84 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: north ridgeville ohio Posts: 233	do they really put off that much heat? How do you control the flow of the overflow you do you just have to take a good guess on what flow they will do? where about should i put the baffles? About flow i have been reading a ton on it and it says everywhere to go like 10-20x a hr flip but in a 20l sump your only talking 12 gallons of water and at 1200gph that is what like 100x a hr then? I dont understand that part! Also my sump is just for a fuge so wouldnt i want a slower flow like 5-12gph flip in the sump? which would be like a 300gph overflow then, this part i really dont understand, I got a good idea of everything else but would like advice on the top but on the bottom i have no clue! Thanks __________________ 180g display 45g frag 40g sump all linked together. Current Tank Info: 220 Gallon. Wet n dry with instant reef Coral inserts.

10/31/2007, 07:38 AM	#6
alfieferenzo84 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: north ridgeville ohio Posts: 233	so what size of overflows and pump to i want? I am prolly going to do a 20h or 20l i think the 20h will give me more volume? let me know, Thanks __________________ 180g display 45g frag 40g sump all linked together. Current Tank Info: 220 Gallon. Wet n dry with instant reef Coral inserts.

10/31/2007, 07:48 AM	#7
papagimp COMAS Rocks! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 8,185 Blog Entries: 2	My 75g uses a 20g Long Sump/Fuge seen here: I'm currently using a mag12 return pump split to 4 outlets (heavy headloss) and a dual overflow box. Too much for all this, a single overflow would have worke fine with an estimated 600gph returning to the display after head loss. I think a 20 long would be more effective than a 20 tall, you have more room for the baffle placement. fwiw, the painted black section is the refugium, I have a fluval canister feeding this portion from the drain section of the sump, __________________ 58g Softie & 75g Stoney Member, Central Oklahoma Marine Aquarium Society Current Tank Info: 58g Mixed Reef Project - Started June 2011

10/30/2007, 07:59 AM	#2
Playa-1 Moved On Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA Posts: 7,497	Here check out these sites and you will get mucho information. www.melevsreef.com/acrylics/sumps/f/sump_f.html www.wetwebmedia.com/refugium.htm