Euro-Reef RS vs RC

bigsink · 12/17/2007, 10:19 AM

Can someone please explain the major differences between these two models of skimmer. What is the benefit of recirculating? Which one is better? What size model RS should I put on a 120 SPS reef tank with 40 gallon sump? What size RC model?

TY

Tennsquire · 12/17/2007, 11:08 AM

I have each type of skimmer; a CS6-1 (now RS100) on my prop system, and an RC-135 on my display tank. On the RS models, the single pump feeds both air and water into the skimmer. On the RC model, the pump it comes with is solely for injecting air and recirculating water through the skimmer. You need to supply system water via another pump (in my case, I use a maxijet powerhead). I think the benefit of the RC models is that you can slow the flow down to increase the dwell time within the skimmer. With the RS, you need a higher level of flow to produce foam and to get it up into the cup. The downside of the RC is that they're butt expensive. They work very well, but they're overpriced (at least the Euroreef ones are).

Jim_S · 12/17/2007, 11:10 AM

Someone should really post a sticky about RC/external vs standard/insump.....

RC (heavy duty) vs RS (budget)

RC is built with pvc welds that hold the skimmer together.
RS is built using acrylic bonding agents that hold the skimmer together.

RC vs Insump

RC/external skimmer:

1. Pump is situated on the skimmer as to draw water from the body and not the sump. This is to increase contact time within the skimmer.
2. There is less head on the pump so it is able to draw in sightly more air
3. RC skimmers require a feed source. This can be done through a drain or with a separate pump. RC skimmers don't come with this feed supply. Drain feeding is often considered one of the main bennefits of an RC skimmer
4. RC skimmers are not affected by sump water level.
5. RC skimmers can be run insump or externally and function the same either way
6. RC skimmers generally cost much more. The cost VS performance gained is often debated. There is no clear evidence that one is better than the other.

Typical RC skimmer:

Insump

1. Pump attaches to the body so that it draws water directly from the sump. The skimmer is fed and mixes the water in the body with the same pump.
2. Water level in sump greatly affects the skimmer's performance. There must be a constant level for consistent performance.
3. Generally less expensive than RC/external models
4. Because the pump feeds and mixes the water, and air intake adjustments will affect the water throughput of the skimmer.

Typical insump skimmer

If I have left anything out (which I'm sure I have), please feel free to add it on

sjm817 · 12/17/2007, 11:49 AM

Good post Jim. Another thing that should be mentioned on the ER skimmers is noise. On the RS/RC 135 and down, the same pumps are used, so nose is ~ the same. On the RS/RC 180 and 250, the RS Use Gen-X and RC use Eheim pumps. The Eheim pumps are very quiet compared to the Gen-X.

bigsink · 12/17/2007, 12:20 PM

Guys, thanks so much for sharing your experiences. Forum members like you make this hobby great!

killagoby · 12/17/2007, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tennsquire
I have each type of skimmer; a CS6-1 (now RS100) on my prop system, and an RC-135 on my display tank. On the RS models, the single pump feeds both air and water into the skimmer. On the RC model, the pump it comes with is solely for injecting air and recirculating water through the skimmer. You need to supply system water via another pump (in my case, I use a maxijet powerhead). I think the benefit of the RC models is that you can slow the flow down to increase the dwell time within the skimmer. With the RS, you need a higher level of flow to produce foam and to get it up into the cup. The downside of the RC is that they're butt expensive. They work very well, but they're overpriced (at least the Euroreef ones are).

What should the flow rate through the sump be for a RS? I know the RC is 1 to 1.5 times. Right now I can't get my RS to skim anything out of the water. The water flowing through my sump is very slow.

Tennsquire · 12/17/2007, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by killagoby
What should the flow rate through the sump be for a RS? I know the RC is 1 to 1.5 times. Right now I can't get my RS to skim anything out of the water. The water flowing through my sump is very slow.

I never thought my CS6-1 did a great job until I did three things: 1), added a gate valve to better control the water level in the skimmer. It had previously had the original telescoping overflow that ER used, and it was a pain to adjust. 2), downsized to a Mag 7 for my return pump, thereby slowing down the flow through the sump. 3) (biggest change) Adding a Sedra 5000 to the skimmer in lieu of the stock 3500. The bigger pump makes all the difference in the world, as I think that the original skimmer was underpowered with the stock pump. It's on my prop system now, and I have to empty the cup at least once a week and it's nasty, dark skimmate. With a bigger pump, you can get much more air into the mix and drive the skimmer better.

killagoby · 12/18/2007, 09:48 AM

How did you add the gate valve?

viggen · 12/18/2007, 12:49 PM

My ER was a 12-2 & I upgraded the pumps to the GenX 4100's & also added the gatevalve mod making it a RC-500. The pumps lasted about 18 months before the failed & they were VERY noisy their entire life. The skimmer is definantly made VERY well I am just VERY leary of the pumps due to how both of these performed for me. Personally the only pumps I would use from them is their eheim pumps. However the eheim pumps are also VERY expensive to replace

12/17/2007, 10:19 AM	#1
bigsink Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Long Island Posts: 1,481	Euro-Reef RS vs RC Can someone please explain the major differences between these two models of skimmer. What is the benefit of recirculating? Which one is better? What size model RS should I put on a 120 SPS reef tank with 40 gallon sump? What size RC model? TY

12/17/2007, 11:08 AM	#2
Tennsquire Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,399	I have each type of skimmer; a CS6-1 (now RS100) on my prop system, and an RC-135 on my display tank. On the RS models, the single pump feeds both air and water into the skimmer. On the RC model, the pump it comes with is solely for injecting air and recirculating water through the skimmer. You need to supply system water via another pump (in my case, I use a maxijet powerhead). I think the benefit of the RC models is that you can slow the flow down to increase the dwell time within the skimmer. With the RS, you need a higher level of flow to produce foam and to get it up into the cup. The downside of the RC is that they're butt expensive. They work very well, but they're overpriced (at least the Euroreef ones are). __________________ Nothin' left to do but smile, smile, smile.... Current Tank Info: 75 reef (2x 250 ReefOptix IIIs, AB 10k bulbs w/ 330 watt VHO, EuroReef RC135 skimmer, multicontrolled Tunze 6095's X2); 40 sps prop tank (Outer Orbit Pro 150, Euroreef CS6-1+ skimmer); 20 softie prop tank

12/17/2007, 11:10 AM	#3
Jim_S Timo Boll Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 5,333	Someone should really post a sticky about RC/external vs standard/insump..... RC (heavy duty) vs RS (budget) RC is built with pvc welds that hold the skimmer together. RS is built using acrylic bonding agents that hold the skimmer together. RC vs Insump RC/external skimmer: 1. Pump is situated on the skimmer as to draw water from the body and not the sump. This is to increase contact time within the skimmer. 2. There is less head on the pump so it is able to draw in sightly more air 3. RC skimmers require a feed source. This can be done through a drain or with a separate pump. RC skimmers don't come with this feed supply. Drain feeding is often considered one of the main bennefits of an RC skimmer 4. RC skimmers are not affected by sump water level. 5. RC skimmers can be run insump or externally and function the same either way 6. RC skimmers generally cost much more. The cost VS performance gained is often debated. There is no clear evidence that one is better than the other. Typical RC skimmer: Insump 1. Pump attaches to the body so that it draws water directly from the sump. The skimmer is fed and mixes the water in the body with the same pump. 2. Water level in sump greatly affects the skimmer's performance. There must be a constant level for consistent performance. 3. Generally less expensive than RC/external models 4. Because the pump feeds and mixes the water, and air intake adjustments will affect the water throughput of the skimmer. Typical insump skimmer If I have left anything out (which I'm sure I have), please feel free to add it on __________________ We will survive in this world of competition, shooting guns and our ammunition... Bradley Nowell Current Tank Info: We're recreating the ocean in our livings rooms. With that said, I've had some ups and downs.

12/17/2007, 11:49 AM	#4
sjm817 On Yer left! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern VA Posts: 18,777	Good post Jim. Another thing that should be mentioned on the ER skimmers is noise. On the RS/RC 135 and down, the same pumps are used, so nose is ~ the same. On the RS/RC 180 and 250, the RS Use Gen-X and RC use Eheim pumps. The Eheim pumps are very quiet compared to the Gen-X. __________________ - Scott

12/18/2007, 09:48 AM	#8
killagoby Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Monroe, NJ Posts: 2,150	How did you add the gate valve? __________________ How much money did you spend on that rock again?

12/17/2007, 12:20 PM	#5
bigsink Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Long Island Posts: 1,481	Guys, thanks so much for sharing your experiences. Forum members like you make this hobby great!

12/18/2007, 12:49 PM	#9
viggen Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 2,213	My ER was a 12-2 & I upgraded the pumps to the GenX 4100's & also added the gatevalve mod making it a RC-500. The pumps lasted about 18 months before the failed & they were VERY noisy their entire life. The skimmer is definantly made VERY well I am just VERY leary of the pumps due to how both of these performed for me. Personally the only pumps I would use from them is their eheim pumps. However the eheim pumps are also VERY expensive to replace __________________ A tub of fish