Could my New Tx5 be causeing Ich from stress in light change

j007dreamer · 01/29/2008, 09:56 PM

Just got a new Tx5 3 days ago and now my Tangs are COVERED in Ich ... AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!

I understand the life of the parasite because i had it once before in my tank. I left it alone and it dropped off the fish and never came back. This was about a year ago

I know that stress can cause Ich in fish.. so i was wondering if the new lighting my be freakin the tangs out ? Now should i worry that this process is going to take over the tank

I also just got a new tang about 3 weeks ago, I guess he must have bought it in to the tank. I know i should have used a Q\tank

taking the the fish out to treat them would be great if i could do it, But there is so much live rock that there is just no way to remove them and plus they are bigger sized fish and i dont really have the q\tank to suppot them

So my question is if i just leave it alone again like i did last time do you think it will go away or did i just get lucky last time ? and could it be the upgrade to the light stressing everyone out ?

chaseracing · 01/29/2008, 10:04 PM

You got lucky last time. Very lucky.

Go out and buy several cleaner shrimp and let them go to work. Do this ASAP.
Do not underestimate ich. It will kill the inhabitants of your tank if you do not treat it quickly.

demonsp · 01/29/2008, 10:06 PM

Yes it could.If this is the only thing differant you have done then chances are great. Whenever new lights are added or new bulbs you should always cut amount of mian light and bring back up slowly. But i would think this could also be from other factors as if fish where healthy and water quality high then it may have not happened or been much slower.

j007dreamer · 01/29/2008, 10:21 PM

I have a cleaner shimp and he doesnt even seem to care that the fish have Ich, hasnt gone to clean them once that i have seen.

I started the new light with 5 hours and have been bring it up a half hour ever 2 days.

The clowns and kole tang dont have it but the hippo and purple tang do

AquaReeferMan · 01/29/2008, 10:33 PM

Cleaner shrimp will do nothing in the battle vs ich. There is no way they can. The spots you see are irritants above where the parasite has lodged into the body. They cannot pull the parasite out. There was a study done on the stomach contents of cleaner shrimp and ich was never found.

I highly doubt the new lighting had anything to do with it. You placed a new fish, a tang at that, into your system without QTing it. Thats where it came from. During those 3 weeks the parasite multiplied its number in your substrate and now you are seeing a large outbreak.

I would take all the fish out and treat them all with hypo. While doing that keep your tank fallow for 6-8 weeks. Im sorry to hear about that.

Below are a few links to fully understand the life cycle or ich and some different methods of handling it.

Part1
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php
Part 2
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ture/index.php

chaseracing · 01/29/2008, 10:40 PM

You may need several cleaner shrimp. I ran into the same problem. Some just won't go near the fish.

-=E=-

demonsp · 01/29/2008, 10:43 PM

The higher light could have triggered it.But they where on there way .They can fight off ich but whene stressed have no chance. The new light will trigger algea growth changeing chemistry and just fueling the fire. Fish dont react the same as coral with lighting but will become stressed with almost any big change in the system.
Its hard to really tell with such little info but if this was the only change to the system for awile then its hard to ignore.

ahullsb · 01/29/2008, 11:42 PM

Tangs seem to be fairly sensitive to any kind of change, lighting, re-aquascaping etc. It would have helped to slowly adjust the fish and corals to higher intensity lighting. But obviously ich was already present. Are you able to qt it? You don't need a large tank, a rubbermaid garbage can works fine and is big enough for almost any fish. If you don't treat it, large tank swings might keep it coming back...

AquaReeferMan · 01/30/2008, 09:29 AM

If you would have read the op he stated that he slowly adjusted the lighting schedual. Started with 5 hours and then pump it up a half hour every couple of days. Like I said before adding cleaner shrimp will do nothing. If you cant remove everything I would try Ruby Reef Kick Ich. That seems to be the only reef safe ich medication that actually works. It worked well for me and people that buy it from my LFS swear by it.

luke33 · 01/30/2008, 09:34 AM

The lighting could have stressed them out a bit and lowered there immunity and now this is what you have. The cleaner will not rid you of an outbreak and if you don't treat they will most likely die

thi7b · 01/30/2008, 02:38 PM

I would feed them seaweed w/ kent garlic extreme to boost their immune system. Also get a neon goby you can find them at a LFS. I like them over the shrimp. This had seem to work for me.

ahullsb · 01/31/2008, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AquaReeferMan
If you would have read the op he stated that he slowly adjusted the lighting schedual.

Sorry I missed that. I still stand by the rest of it though

01/29/2008, 09:56 PM	#1
j007dreamer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 262	Could my New Tx5 be causeing Ich from stress in light change Just got a new Tx5 3 days ago and now my Tangs are COVERED in Ich ... AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!! I understand the life of the parasite because i had it once before in my tank. I left it alone and it dropped off the fish and never came back. This was about a year ago I know that stress can cause Ich in fish.. so i was wondering if the new lighting my be freakin the tangs out ? Now should i worry that this process is going to take over the tank I also just got a new tang about 3 weeks ago, I guess he must have bought it in to the tank. I know i should have used a Q\tank taking the the fish out to treat them would be great if i could do it, But there is so much live rock that there is just no way to remove them and plus they are bigger sized fish and i dont really have the q\tank to suppot them So my question is if i just leave it alone again like i did last time do you think it will go away or did i just get lucky last time ? and could it be the upgrade to the light stressing everyone out ?

01/29/2008, 10:04 PM	#2
chaseracing Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bartlett, IL Posts: 1,208	You got lucky last time. Very lucky. Go out and buy several cleaner shrimp and let them go to work. Do this ASAP. Do not underestimate ich. It will kill the inhabitants of your tank if you do not treat it quickly. __________________ I want my dog's life. Current Tank Info: 150gal RR Oceanic - (3) 250w. ReefLux 12K, (2) 96w PC 50/50, (3) Tunze 6025 modded, (3) Tunze 6045's, ASM G3, MRC-1, Melev F sump/fuge, all run off of an Aquacontroller Jr. Mixed Reef w/ lots of Fish and not enough rock.

01/29/2008, 10:33 PM	#5
AquaReeferMan Got Reef? Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Under the Sea, Pa Posts: 4,593	Cleaner shrimp will do nothing in the battle vs ich. There is no way they can. The spots you see are irritants above where the parasite has lodged into the body. They cannot pull the parasite out. There was a study done on the stomach contents of cleaner shrimp and ich was never found. I highly doubt the new lighting had anything to do with it. You placed a new fish, a tang at that, into your system without QTing it. Thats where it came from. During those 3 weeks the parasite multiplied its number in your substrate and now you are seeing a large outbreak. I would take all the fish out and treat them all with hypo. While doing that keep your tank fallow for 6-8 weeks. Im sorry to hear about that. Below are a few links to fully understand the life cycle or ich and some different methods of handling it. Part1 http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php Part 2 http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ture/index.php __________________ Couple SPS/Zoanthid tanks and a couple of FW planted tanks. Current Tank Info: 5 pieces of glass with some silicone and plastic frames holding them together

01/29/2008, 10:40 PM	#6
chaseracing Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bartlett, IL Posts: 1,208	You may need several cleaner shrimp. I ran into the same problem. Some just won't go near the fish. -=E=- __________________ I want my dog's life. Current Tank Info: 150gal RR Oceanic - (3) 250w. ReefLux 12K, (2) 96w PC 50/50, (3) Tunze 6025 modded, (3) Tunze 6045's, ASM G3, MRC-1, Melev F sump/fuge, all run off of an Aquacontroller Jr. Mixed Reef w/ lots of Fish and not enough rock.

01/29/2008, 11:42 PM	#8
ahullsb Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: sacramento, ca Posts: 2,729	Tangs seem to be fairly sensitive to any kind of change, lighting, re-aquascaping etc. It would have helped to slowly adjust the fish and corals to higher intensity lighting. But obviously ich was already present. Are you able to qt it? You don't need a large tank, a rubbermaid garbage can works fine and is big enough for almost any fish. If you don't treat it, large tank swings might keep it coming back... __________________ Andy Sacramento, CA Current Tank Info: 55 gallon reef w/20 gallon sump/ER135/ 75 pounds of live rock, 4 in sandbed, 2 b&w ocellaris clowns, yellow watchman/pistol, rosy scaled wrasse, Mystery wrasse, Copperbanded Butterfly, Lighting 48" outer orbit 2 150 mh/ 4 t5 actinics

01/29/2008, 10:06 PM	#3
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	Yes it could.If this is the only thing differant you have done then chances are great. Whenever new lights are added or new bulbs you should always cut amount of mian light and bring back up slowly. But i would think this could also be from other factors as if fish where healthy and water quality high then it may have not happened or been much slower.

01/29/2008, 10:21 PM	#4
j007dreamer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 262	I have a cleaner shimp and he doesnt even seem to care that the fish have Ich, hasnt gone to clean them once that i have seen. I started the new light with 5 hours and have been bring it up a half hour ever 2 days. The clowns and kole tang dont have it but the hippo and purple tang do

01/29/2008, 10:43 PM	#7
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	The higher light could have triggered it.But they where on there way .They can fight off ich but whene stressed have no chance. The new light will trigger algea growth changeing chemistry and just fueling the fire. Fish dont react the same as coral with lighting but will become stressed with almost any big change in the system. Its hard to really tell with such little info but if this was the only change to the system for awile then its hard to ignore.

01/30/2008, 09:29 AM	#9
AquaReeferMan Got Reef? Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Under the Sea, Pa Posts: 4,593	If you would have read the op he stated that he slowly adjusted the lighting schedual. Started with 5 hours and then pump it up a half hour every couple of days. Like I said before adding cleaner shrimp will do nothing. If you cant remove everything I would try Ruby Reef Kick Ich. That seems to be the only reef safe ich medication that actually works. It worked well for me and people that buy it from my LFS swear by it. __________________ Couple SPS/Zoanthid tanks and a couple of FW planted tanks. Current Tank Info: 5 pieces of glass with some silicone and plastic frames holding them together

01/30/2008, 09:34 AM	#10
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	The lighting could have stressed them out a bit and lowered there immunity and now this is what you have. The cleaner will not rid you of an outbreak and if you don't treat they will most likely die

01/30/2008, 02:38 PM	#11
thi7b Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 274	I would feed them seaweed w/ kent garlic extreme to boost their immune system. Also get a neon goby you can find them at a LFS. I like them over the shrimp. This had seem to work for me.