Critique My Tank Setup, Please :)

cbrguy · 02/01/2008, 09:17 AM

I am in the process of building a new system. I am upgrading from my red sea max to a 120. How do you feel about this setup??

I am unsure about the skimmer and the lighing. I would like to have a simple lighting setup that is plug and play and looks nice hanging above the tank.

Oceanic Ultimate Starphire 120
30 Gal Sump

Aqua Medic Ocean Light T5/MH
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...=Oceanlight-T5

Return Pump IWAKI 70RLT
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...ory_Code=Iwaki

Chiller (JBJ 1/3) HP
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...egory_Code=JBJ

Calcium Reactor (GEO 618)
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...Code=Crpackage

Skimmer (Euroreef RC180) Or Deltec AFP600
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...gory_Code=EURO

Ozonizer - RedSeq 200 Mg
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...ode=ozoneunits

dsn112 · 02/01/2008, 09:46 AM

looks pretty awesome to me, both skimmers are good, deltec if you can afford it do it.

Get 2 vortechs for flow and your all set!

mcliffy2 · 02/01/2008, 10:44 AM

For the cash you are about to plunk down on a skimmer, go for a reeflo 200 or the ATB nano. (You wont go wrong with deltec or euroreef tho). I second adding a couple vortechs.

cbrguy · 02/01/2008, 11:27 AM

Great! Thank you for the info. Those Vortechs are awesome!

dsn112 · 02/01/2008, 11:31 AM

Yea they are, I have one in My 70 and it rips it up. I see you are local to me, I work in Plymouth Meeting.

SDguy · 02/01/2008, 11:58 AM

You don't need a 200 mg/hr ozonizer for this system...100 should be enough, even heavily stocked....

cbrguy · 02/01/2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by SDguy
You don't need a 200 mg/hr ozonizer for this system...100 should be enough, even heavily stocked....

My plan was to get it for the 120 then use it for a 220 when I move. Would the 100 work on the 220?

I use to work pretty close to plymouth meeting too. I am about 45 minutes from there now.

sjames · 02/01/2008, 01:32 PM

why such a big return pump? your sump is gonna be a vortex. :>

cbrguy · 02/01/2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by sjames
why such a big return pump? your sump is gonna be a vortex. :>

I think that each overflow drains at 600 GPH? So I would need to return at least 1200 GPH to the tank minus any head loss.

Do you think that I should use a smaller pump. I really wasn't sure on that part.

Chris2500DK · 02/01/2008, 01:44 PM

The overflows only drain what the return pump puts into the tank, but of course up to a limit (which seems to be 600 GPH for you). That doesn't mean you have to match that limit, just that you can't go over it.

sjames · 02/01/2008, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cbrguy
I think that each overflow drains at 600 GPH? So I would need to return at least 1200 GPH to the tank minus any head loss.

Do you think that I should use a smaller pump. I really wasn't sure on that part.

personally i would try and match my sump flow to my skimmer rateing. not alot of sense sending more water through the sump than the skimmer can process. plus insump skimmers usually work better with less turbulet flow in the sump.

arts007 · 02/01/2008, 01:48 PM

You can always throttle back the flow if you need to, Im running an ocean runner 6500 that is 1700gph at 0' and the flow is not turbulent thru the sump, on my 120g with a 40g breeder sump

sjames · 02/01/2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by arts007
You can always throttle back the flow if you need to, Im running an ocean runner 6500 that is 1700gph at 0' and the flow is not turbulent thru the sump, on my 120g with a 40g breeder sump

sure but why pay for the electricy to run a bigger pump if your just gonna throttle it back? (if you do go this way make sure you install a gate valve on the return side of the pump to regulate the flow)

also your pump isnt pressure rated so your flow is likly much less than 1700gph. less than 1000 im guessing depending on static head height and how its plumbed.

cbrguy · 02/01/2008, 02:15 PM

Ok so I think that the Iwaki MD 40RLXT would be a nice fit then. It's 1200 GPH @ 4'. On my last system I had a TON of micro bubbles and I would like to avoid that, so I will go with less flow and make up for if with a closed loop or those vortechs.

I was looking at the differences in pumps should I use a pressure rated pump or the circulation pump?

gimmito · 02/02/2008, 10:33 PM

The great thing about the vortechs is you can use it for the 120 and 220. How many things can we say about that in this hobby ?

mcliffy2 · 02/02/2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by cbrguy
Ok so I think that the Iwaki MD 40RLXT would be a nice fit then. It's 1200 GPH @ 4'. On my last system I had a TON of micro bubbles and I would like to avoid that, so I will go with less flow and make up for if with a closed loop or those vortechs.

I was looking at the differences in pumps should I use a pressure rated pump or the circulation pump?

pressure rated are for if you have to pump the water a long way (like if you have the sump in your basement and tank on another floor), no reason to get them unless you have a situation like that.

What did you decide about the skimmer?

cbrguy · 02/03/2008, 07:53 AM

I think I am going to go with the Deltec. I like that the Euroreef is cheaper, but from what I've read the pump is not ozone safe. I might hold off on the Ozone though for a while so I can justify the cost of the vortech with the battery backup.

BRISK495 · 02/03/2008, 11:30 AM

looking good Steve...I have a very similar setup as you. I have 2 vortechs (w/ battery backup). Things I would recommend are 2 lumenarc 3's. Those are worth every penny. Not sure though if you can put in wall...even if they hang, I feel they are very "clean" looking. Plus the light won't spill out. As far as supplementation, I am really learning that you dont need it, and the colorals are looking great (saw Sanjays /PSUtank in May as proof!)The Geo is great and well worth it. I defintely recommend the upgrade to a better regulator like you are looking at. The milwaukee was really a pain....Here's a pic from about a month ago, a day or two after I got things set up... Chris (your ole SV-SEA pal)

cbrguy · 02/03/2008, 12:18 PM

Hey Chris! You're in Jersey now?

I really like those Lumenarc's, but are they prewired? I hate dealing with installing my own ballast? I remember with my old tank I worried about them all of the time

since you donâ€™t have any supplemental lighting, do you run them for 12 hours instead of 8?

The lighting that I was looking at has poor reflectors and that was one of my concerns.

Also, are you using a Deltec skimmer and may I ask what type of sump you are using?

Steve...

BRISK495 · 02/05/2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by cbrguy
Hey Chris! You're in Jersey now?

I really like those Lumenarc's, but are they prewired? I hate dealing with installing my own ballast? I remember with my old tank I worried about them all of the time since you donâ€™t have any supplemental lighting, do you run them for 12 hours instead of 8?

The lighting that I was looking at has poor reflectors and that was one of my concerns.

Also, are you using a Deltec skimmer and may I ask what type of sump you are using?

Steve...

Hey Steve....Yep, I moved to S. NJ. Not far from the PA though at all. As far as the Luminarcs, they are prewired. You can put 175, 250 400 or even 1000w in the prewired sockets. You will need to buy the ballast seperately. As far as running them, I run them about 7-8 hours total. Sometimes longer if I want to view the tank earlier in the day. But 8 hours has been plenty light for my tank....I even shut them off for a whole day once in awhile. This is to simulate nature (cloudy day on the reef) Read somewhere and I always notice corals are super happy the next day!

The skimmer is a custom Orca skimmer....the sump is 30 + gallons...I bought it from Bryan in our club. I am part of DelVal...I see you are too? Maybe see you at a a meeting??

Jim_S · 02/05/2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by cbrguy
I think I am going to go with the Deltec. I like that the Euroreef is cheaper, but from what I've read the pump is not ozone safe. I might hold off on the Ozone though for a while so I can justify the cost of the vortech with the battery backup.

Both skimmer pumps are okay with ozone use. However, with ALL things, ozone use will eventually start to cause plastic to deteriorate.

Also keep in mind the Deltec is much smaller than that ER, and the aquabee pump it uses is in many ways inferior to the eheim pump in terms of longevity and noise level. The larger Deltecs also come with eheim pumps, and if you were comparing the two eheim powered models, its just a matter of personal opinion on which is better. However, when comparing an eheim driven skimmer to an AB driven skimmer, there is no question which is better.

I was also looking into Iwaki's when I rebuilt my 125. Iwaki pumps are nice, but the Panworld pumps are quieter. Almost the same design too.

Jim

Paulairduck · 02/05/2008, 05:35 PM

Look into the reeflo snapper, produces more flow than the iwaki, is not the power hog that the Iwaki is and transfers a lot less heat!!

I just replaced my Iwaki 40 MD-rxlt with a snapper, my power bill thanks me!!!

cbrguy · 02/05/2008, 05:38 PM

I still have to sign up for the club, and I won't be able to make the 23rd meeting

I am sure I'll be at the one after that though. I will be desperate for some frag so hopefully some people will have them for sale

All of my equipment will arrive tomorrow. I got the tech series tank with the the ER RC180 skimmer it was only 799 so I figured I would just get it. I am skipping the Ozone and I got a Vortech with the battery. And I got the 618 Reactor. I can't wait to setup a normal tank

This red sea max is driving me crazy.

Steve...

02/01/2008, 09:17 AM	#1
cbrguy Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 493	Critique My Tank Setup, Please :) I am in the process of building a new system. I am upgrading from my red sea max to a 120. How do you feel about this setup?? I am unsure about the skimmer and the lighing. I would like to have a simple lighting setup that is plug and play and looks nice hanging above the tank. Oceanic Ultimate Starphire 120 30 Gal Sump Aqua Medic Ocean Light T5/MH http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...=Oceanlight-T5 Return Pump IWAKI 70RLT http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...ory_Code=Iwaki Chiller (JBJ 1/3) HP http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...egory_Code=JBJ Calcium Reactor (GEO 618) http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...Code=Crpackage Skimmer (Euroreef RC180) Or Deltec AFP600 http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...gory_Code=EURO Ozonizer - RedSeq 200 Mg http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merch...ode=ozoneunits Last edited by cbrguy; 02/01/2008 at 09:29 AM.

02/01/2008, 09:46 AM	#2
dsn112 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: South Jersey Posts: 1,139	looks pretty awesome to me, both skimmers are good, deltec if you can afford it do it. Get 2 vortechs for flow and your all set! __________________ I'm disturbed! I'm depressed! I'm inadequate! I got it all!! Current Tank Info: Fluval Edge w LED freshwater. Looking at doing a 20-40g long penninsula fowlr soon

02/01/2008, 10:44 AM	#3
mcliffy2 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Downtown Chicago Posts: 4,093	For the cash you are about to plunk down on a skimmer, go for a reeflo 200 or the ATB nano. (You wont go wrong with deltec or euroreef tho). I second adding a couple vortechs. __________________ 238g 60x36x26, 100g sump/fuge, 30g frag, 23g skimmer sump, 4 Vortechs, ATB L, Sfiligoi 12x54w T5 Bulb Combo: Super actinic, 6 Blue Plus/AS 22k, Fiji Purple, 2 Aquablue special, 2 Aquascience Duo

02/01/2008, 11:31 AM	#5
dsn112 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: South Jersey Posts: 1,139	Yea they are, I have one in My 70 and it rips it up. I see you are local to me, I work in Plymouth Meeting. __________________ I'm disturbed! I'm depressed! I'm inadequate! I got it all!! Current Tank Info: Fluval Edge w LED freshwater. Looking at doing a 20-40g long penninsula fowlr soon

02/01/2008, 11:58 AM	#6
SDguy Fish heads unite! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 23,384	You don't need a 200 mg/hr ozonizer for this system...100 should be enough, even heavily stocked.... __________________ Peter SDMAS member Marine tanks since 1989. ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º> ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((º> Current Tank Info: 240g butterfly and angel FOWLR. 15g QT.

02/01/2008, 11:27 AM	#4
cbrguy Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 493	Great! Thank you for the info. Those Vortechs are awesome!

02/01/2008, 01:32 PM	#8
sjames Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: PA Posts: 675	why such a big return pump? your sump is gonna be a vortex. :>

02/01/2008, 01:44 PM	#10
Chris2500DK Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 171	The overflows only drain what the return pump puts into the tank, but of course up to a limit (which seems to be 600 GPH for you). That doesn't mean you have to match that limit, just that you can't go over it.

02/01/2008, 01:48 PM	#12
arts007 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 600	You can always throttle back the flow if you need to, Im running an ocean runner 6500 that is 1700gph at 0' and the flow is not turbulent thru the sump, on my 120g with a 40g breeder sump __________________ Genius is 1 percent inspiration and 99% perspiration, which is why engineers sometimes smell really bad. Current Tank Info: 120g SPS reef tank. 2x 400 watt Reeflux 12k on lumenbrights

02/01/2008, 02:15 PM	#14
cbrguy Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 493	Ok so I think that the Iwaki MD 40RLXT would be a nice fit then. It's 1200 GPH @ 4'. On my last system I had a TON of micro bubbles and I would like to avoid that, so I will go with less flow and make up for if with a closed loop or those vortechs. I was looking at the differences in pumps should I use a pressure rated pump or the circulation pump?

02/02/2008, 10:33 PM	#15
gimmito Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: millbrae,ca Posts: 851	The great thing about the vortechs is you can use it for the 120 and 220. How many things can we say about that in this hobby ? __________________ 450 gallon L-shaped display Current Tank Info: Working on a 450 display. 34 gal Red Sea Max.

02/03/2008, 07:53 AM	#17
cbrguy Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 493	I think I am going to go with the Deltec. I like that the Euroreef is cheaper, but from what I've read the pump is not ozone safe. I might hold off on the Ozone though for a while so I can justify the cost of the vortech with the battery backup.

02/03/2008, 11:30 AM	#18
BRISK495 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: South Harrison, NJ Posts: 1,024	looking good Steve...I have a very similar setup as you. I have 2 vortechs (w/ battery backup). Things I would recommend are 2 lumenarc 3's. Those are worth every penny. Not sure though if you can put in wall...even if they hang, I feel they are very "clean" looking. Plus the light won't spill out. As far as supplementation, I am really learning that you dont need it, and the colorals are looking great (saw Sanjays /PSUtank in May as proof!)The Geo is great and well worth it. I defintely recommend the upgrade to a better regulator like you are looking at. The milwaukee was really a pain....Here's a pic from about a month ago, a day or two after I got things set up... Chris (your ole SV-SEA pal) __________________ My addiction began as a kid visiting Martin's Aquarium!! Current Tank Info: 100 starphire rimless in planning since January 2012. 100 Gallon Rubbermaid Basement Sump and 65 gallon refugium.

02/03/2008, 12:18 PM	#19
cbrguy Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 493	Hey Chris! You're in Jersey now? I really like those Lumenarc's, but are they prewired? I hate dealing with installing my own ballast? I remember with my old tank I worried about them all of the time since you donâ€™t have any supplemental lighting, do you run them for 12 hours instead of 8? The lighting that I was looking at has poor reflectors and that was one of my concerns. Also, are you using a Deltec skimmer and may I ask what type of sump you are using? Steve...

02/05/2008, 05:35 PM	#22
Paulairduck I LOVE FREE FRAGS!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chino Hills Posts: 2,909	Look into the reeflo snapper, produces more flow than the iwaki, is not the power hog that the Iwaki is and transfers a lot less heat!! I just replaced my Iwaki 40 MD-rxlt with a snapper, my power bill thanks me!!!

02/05/2008, 05:38 PM	#23
cbrguy Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Downingtown, PA Posts: 493	I still have to sign up for the club, and I won't be able to make the 23rd meeting I am sure I'll be at the one after that though. I will be desperate for some frag so hopefully some people will have them for sale All of my equipment will arrive tomorrow. I got the tech series tank with the the ER RC180 skimmer it was only 799 so I figured I would just get it. I am skipping the Ozone and I got a Vortech with the battery. And I got the 618 Reactor. I can't wait to setup a normal tank This red sea max is driving me crazy. Steve...