Coral Problem (pictures)

jackets22 · 03/18/2008, 05:26 PM

Ok I am having a bit of a problem with a few corals.

Salinity 1.0235
Temp 79
Alk 7
PH 8.3
Calcium 410
nitrates, nitrites and amionia 0

39 gal tank with 600GPH return
peguian 660 ph
Korila 2 ph
I have a 150 W metal halide 14k that was bought new in Dec.

The problem I have is the birds nest is peeling at the base, green slimer is peeling at the tips, and my leather is looking sickly (feeders are in and it is shrunk) Hope I provided enough info for some help.

Thanks!

Base of birds nest

Tips of Slimer

Leather

BLKTANG · 03/18/2008, 05:38 PM

The base of the BN might not be getting enough flow.

The tips of the GS look like growth.

Leathers IME are silly like that & sometimes close up for a few days.

Are you running carbon?You should run carbon when mixing SPS,& leathers.

jackets22 · 03/18/2008, 06:05 PM

Hmm maybe I am worring too much. I moved the korilla 2 to point at the BN so maybe it will help.

I am not running carbon. I will have to go get a bag and make it a routine to throw it in.

BLKTANG · 03/18/2008, 06:22 PM

dont point the korilla directly at the coral it will do more damage,just make sure its getting good indirect flow,& you should be ok.

jackets22 · 03/18/2008, 06:25 PM

thanks I will move it a bit

joelrod72 · 03/18/2008, 07:08 PM

your coral is going through what you call "tissue deterioration" causes can be from not enough calcium or to much heat try moving your coral down a little bit

jackets22 · 03/18/2008, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by joelrod72
your coral is going through what you call "tissue deterioration" causes can be from not enough calcium or to much heat try moving your coral down a little bit

Hmmm... It is 13-14 inches away from a 150w. Also the tank has never been over 79 degrees. I have seen SPS way closer to MH lights that look awesome.

Maybe I am leaving the lights on too long? 10 hours a day maybe 12 at times.

BLKTANG · 03/18/2008, 07:47 PM

I seriously doubt that the lights did that.99% of the time if your lights damage a coral (burn) its on the tips.I didnt wanna get technical in trying to explain what it was that you have going on,but it is called STN (Slow Tissue Neucrosis) Which is like i said originally probably caused by low flow to the base of the coral.Your parameters look ok,so im ruleing that out.

IME birdsnest love light.

Just keep an eye on the coral,& if you notice it getting any worse then make plans to start fragging,but IMO it should make a full recovery over time,just try to reposition your flow.

tmz · 03/18/2008, 11:57 PM

I agree, with the stn comments.I also second the carbon suggestion. Leathers produce alleopathic metabolites which can be harmful to sps particularly if the linger in the area of the sps as might be the case with lower than needed folw. Carbon will remove or at least limit these metabolites. Without it mixed leather and sps tanks may not work out very well.

ahullsb · 03/19/2008, 12:42 AM

^^^^ I agree and that is why I eventually got rid of my leathers.

jackets22 · 03/19/2008, 06:32 AM

Thanks for all the suggestions. I will keep a close eye on it and adjusted flow and will be getting a big bag o' carbon real soon.

risin · 03/19/2008, 07:11 AM

Could it be the BTA? It looks to be centrally located to your problems.

jackets22 · 03/19/2008, 07:24 AM

I didnt suggest that because I didnt want to push any opinions that way but it has been there for awhile so I dont THINK so but I am not a expert on the effects of what the BTA would have on corals. They dont touch though.

03/18/2008, 05:26 PM	#1
jackets22 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 277	Coral Problem (pictures) Ok I am having a bit of a problem with a few corals. Salinity 1.0235 Temp 79 Alk 7 PH 8.3 Calcium 410 nitrates, nitrites and amionia 0 39 gal tank with 600GPH return peguian 660 ph Korila 2 ph I have a 150 W metal halide 14k that was bought new in Dec. The problem I have is the birds nest is peeling at the base, green slimer is peeling at the tips, and my leather is looking sickly (feeders are in and it is shrunk) Hope I provided enough info for some help. Thanks! Base of birds nest Tips of Slimer Leather __________________ Jon __________ Current Tank Info: 75 gal mixed Reef

03/18/2008, 05:38 PM	#2
BLKTANG Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Never,Never Land Posts: 7,061	The base of the BN might not be getting enough flow. The tips of the GS look like growth. Leathers IME are silly like that & sometimes close up for a few days. Are you running carbon?You should run carbon when mixing SPS,& leathers. __________________ We the few have done so much,for so long,for so little.That we are now qualified to do anything with nothing. ____________________________________________________________________________ Current Tank Info: RR 90 Maganvore sump,250w Hamilton fixture,VorTec's ASM skimmer.

03/18/2008, 06:05 PM	#3
jackets22 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 277	Hmm maybe I am worring too much. I moved the korilla 2 to point at the BN so maybe it will help. I am not running carbon. I will have to go get a bag and make it a routine to throw it in. __________________ Jon __________ Current Tank Info: 75 gal mixed Reef

03/18/2008, 06:22 PM	#4
BLKTANG Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Never,Never Land Posts: 7,061	dont point the korilla directly at the coral it will do more damage,just make sure its getting good indirect flow,& you should be ok. __________________ We the few have done so much,for so long,for so little.That we are now qualified to do anything with nothing. ____________________________________________________________________________ Current Tank Info: RR 90 Maganvore sump,250w Hamilton fixture,VorTec's ASM skimmer.

03/18/2008, 06:25 PM	#5
jackets22 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 277	thanks I will move it a bit __________________ Jon __________ Current Tank Info: 75 gal mixed Reef

03/18/2008, 07:08 PM	#6
joelrod72 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Spring Hill/brooksvill fl Posts: 141	your coral is going through what you call "tissue deterioration" causes can be from not enough calcium or to much heat try moving your coral down a little bit

03/18/2008, 07:47 PM	#8
BLKTANG Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Never,Never Land Posts: 7,061	I seriously doubt that the lights did that.99% of the time if your lights damage a coral (burn) its on the tips.I didnt wanna get technical in trying to explain what it was that you have going on,but it is called STN (Slow Tissue Neucrosis) Which is like i said originally probably caused by low flow to the base of the coral.Your parameters look ok,so im ruleing that out. IME birdsnest love light. Just keep an eye on the coral,& if you notice it getting any worse then make plans to start fragging,but IMO it should make a full recovery over time,just try to reposition your flow. __________________ We the few have done so much,for so long,for so little.That we are now qualified to do anything with nothing. ____________________________________________________________________________ Current Tank Info: RR 90 Maganvore sump,250w Hamilton fixture,VorTec's ASM skimmer.

03/18/2008, 11:57 PM	#9
tmz ReefKeeping Mag staff Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Seneca NY Posts: 27,691	I agree, with the stn comments.I also second the carbon suggestion. Leathers produce alleopathic metabolites which can be harmful to sps particularly if the linger in the area of the sps as might be the case with lower than needed folw. Carbon will remove or at least limit these metabolites. Without it mixed leather and sps tanks may not work out very well. __________________ Tom Current Tank Info: Tank of the Month , November 2011 : 600gal integrated system: 3 display tanks (120 g, 90g, 89g),several frag/grow out tanks, macroalgae refugia, cryptic zones. 40+ fish, seahorses, sps,lps,leathers, zoanthidae and non photosynthetic corals.

03/19/2008, 12:42 AM	#10
ahullsb Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: sacramento, ca Posts: 2,729	^^^^ I agree and that is why I eventually got rid of my leathers. __________________ Andy Sacramento, CA Current Tank Info: 55 gallon reef w/20 gallon sump/ER135/ 75 pounds of live rock, 4 in sandbed, 2 b&w ocellaris clowns, yellow watchman/pistol, rosy scaled wrasse, Mystery wrasse, Copperbanded Butterfly, Lighting 48" outer orbit 2 150 mh/ 4 t5 actinics

03/19/2008, 06:32 AM	#11
jackets22 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 277	Thanks for all the suggestions. I will keep a close eye on it and adjusted flow and will be getting a big bag o' carbon real soon. __________________ Jon __________ Current Tank Info: 75 gal mixed Reef

03/19/2008, 07:11 AM	#12
risin Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 715	Could it be the BTA? It looks to be centrally located to your problems.

03/19/2008, 07:24 AM	#13
jackets22 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 277	I didnt suggest that because I didnt want to push any opinions that way but it has been there for awhile so I dont THINK so but I am not a expert on the effects of what the BTA would have on corals. They dont touch though. __________________ Jon __________ Current Tank Info: 75 gal mixed Reef