Live Sand/rock

Ed Kazz · 04/04/2008, 10:42 AM

Hi,

I am looking to seed my 180 with some live sand (have about 3 to 4 inches in main tank and looking to add 6" in refugium). Can someone recommend a good place to purchase live sand/ live rock? Does the live rock have to be supported above the live sand?The refugium I have (TruVu) 90gal that has a egg crate section (I think its a older model),is that section for floss or some type of filter media? Does anyone have this model? I am not sure how it to setup it up. I would to find someone that has the oceanic 180 bow front ? It has this canopy that is very hard to take on and off and was wondering if there was a diy for a hinge assy'? Pictures would be great of a 180 oceanic setup!!

Thanks for any help
Ed

Tswifty · 04/04/2008, 11:17 AM

If you are looking to seed your sand you will only need a cup or two from your Local Fish Store's tanks... Don't waste your money purchasing bags labeled "Live Sand"

Here's what I'm talking about, I just seeded my 90 gallon with a cup of sand from my established 55gallon tank.

Aquarist007 · 04/04/2008, 11:17 AM

nice picture tswifty

Tswifty · 04/04/2008, 11:18 AM

If you post a picture of the sump... there are a ton of experienced reefers on here who can walk you through it

Ed Kazz · 04/04/2008, 12:06 PM

Thanks for the info!!
Will post pictures later (must go to work now).
How bot' a good online store to buy some little creatures and live rock?

Thanks Again
Ed

Tswifty · 04/04/2008, 12:18 PM

I use LiveAquaria for fish and shrimp... but I'm still browsing to try and figure out where to get my cleanup crew from.

Here's the sites I've been browsing:

www.liveaquaria.com
www.marinedepotlive.com
www.saltwaterfish.com

Tswifty · 04/04/2008, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by capn_hylinur
nice picture tswifty

I figured I'd better post it quick before you did... haha

Ed Kazz · 04/04/2008, 12:23 PM

One more quick question... Is this stuff ok to use?

"Onyx Sand is a great way to make a statement Pitch-black, sparkling sand, completely safe for fresh and salt water. This sand does have a slight buffering capacity, as well. All natural, no artificial coatings. Ideally suited to planted aquaria and most effective when used alone. However it may be mixed with other gravel to make a completely unique aquascape. "

The kids want to make a black strip in the sand.

Thanks
Ed

Aquarist007 · 04/04/2008, 12:28 PM

its ok to use Ed, but for decoration purposes--it doesn't do anything else like it reports to do

nanchil · 04/04/2008, 06:55 PM

Also buying sand online is not cost effective.

Tswifty · 04/04/2008, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nanchil
Also buying sand online is not cost effective.

what defines cost effective?

GBE378 · 04/04/2008, 08:46 PM

I bought nine 30lb bags online and it was way cheaper then I could have gotten at any of the LFS in my area. That included shipping too.

Tswifty · 04/04/2008, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GBE378
I bought nine 30lb bags online and it was way cheaper then I could have gotten at any of the LFS in my area. That included shipping too.

Same here

drs foster and smith do not charge the extra "added handling" charge that most online retailers add when ordering sand, LR, or Salt Mix... which made it extremely "cost effective"

Ed Kazz · 04/08/2008, 12:11 PM

Hi

I have this Refugium and have No idea how to hook (plum) it to my main tank (which way the water flows thru it). It is a TruVu. I had called the company and they were no help (just wanted to sell a new one). Anyway I think the water flow comes in at the left side (I think a protein skimmer goes in there)and then water flows goes down thru egg crate (should I place some floss or sponge there?) I will have live sand in the middle section..but there is only one divider on the right! That's where a hole is drilled on the bottom right side. What keeps the sand from going into the pump? Should I install another baffle?

Just can't wait to install this to get some water in tank!!

Thanks
Ed

http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn167/EdKaz/

Aquarist007 · 04/09/2008, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ed Kazz
Hi

I have this Refugium and have No idea how to hook (plum) it to my main tank (which way the water flows thru it). It is a TruVu. I had called the company and they were no help (just wanted to sell a new one). Anyway I think the water flow comes in at the left side (I think a protein skimmer goes in there)and then water flows goes down thru egg crate (should I place some floss or sponge there?) I will have live sand in the middle section..but there is only one divider on the right! That's where a hole is drilled on the bottom right side. What keeps the sand from going into the pump? Should I install another baffle?

Just can't wait to install this to get some water in tank!!

Thanks
Ed

http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn167/EdKaz/

post on this site---there will be someone there that can help you out:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...readid=1349443

Tswifty · 04/09/2008, 08:51 AM

Here's my initial thought with this type of setup.

The ball valve only comes in to play if your return pump is too strong, and it will divert excess water into the refugium.

Ed Kazz · 04/09/2008, 09:51 AM

Thanks for the help.
One question (maybe 2) ... is the green pipe (in drawing) the return line to main tank and red one from tank? How would the edd-crate baffle keep sand out of pump? Sorry I am a little slow.

Ed

Tswifty · 04/09/2008, 10:03 AM

You're correct. Green is to tank... Red from tank.

The eggcrate won't keep sand out of the pump. from your original picture it looks like there is a small wall in place already, behind where I drew the eggcrate. I would make my sand bed almost as high as this wall, but not completely to the top... for obvious reasons.

It will just be easier to keep the eggcrate in place if it extends the whole way into the sand.

Ed Kazz · 04/09/2008, 10:14 AM

Thanks again

Looks do-able !
Ed

04/04/2008, 10:42 AM	#1
Ed Kazz Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northeastern PA Posts: 288	Live Sand/rock Hi, I am looking to seed my 180 with some live sand (have about 3 to 4 inches in main tank and looking to add 6" in refugium). Can someone recommend a good place to purchase live sand/ live rock? Does the live rock have to be supported above the live sand?The refugium I have (TruVu) 90gal that has a egg crate section (I think its a older model),is that section for floss or some type of filter media? Does anyone have this model? I am not sure how it to setup it up. I would to find someone that has the oceanic 180 bow front ? It has this canopy that is very hard to take on and off and was wondering if there was a diy for a hinge assy'? Pictures would be great of a 180 oceanic setup!! Thanks for any help Ed

04/04/2008, 11:17 AM	#2
Tswifty Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PA Posts: 14,022	If you are looking to seed your sand you will only need a cup or two from your Local Fish Store's tanks... Don't waste your money purchasing bags labeled "Live Sand" Here's what I'm talking about, I just seeded my 90 gallon with a cup of sand from my established 55gallon tank. __________________ "Enough light? Heck I could go barebottom and grow SPS in the stand!" - DiscoReefRover

04/04/2008, 11:17 AM	#3
Aquarist007 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hamilton, Canada Posts: 28,240 Blog Entries: 1	nice picture tswifty __________________ I prefer my substrates stirred but not shaken Current Tank Info: 150gal long mixed reef, 90gal sump, 60 gal refugium with 200 lbs live rock

04/04/2008, 11:18 AM	#4
Tswifty Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PA Posts: 14,022	If you post a picture of the sump... there are a ton of experienced reefers on here who can walk you through it __________________ "Enough light? Heck I could go barebottom and grow SPS in the stand!" - DiscoReefRover

04/04/2008, 12:18 PM	#6
Tswifty Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PA Posts: 14,022	I use LiveAquaria for fish and shrimp... but I'm still browsing to try and figure out where to get my cleanup crew from. Here's the sites I've been browsing: www.liveaquaria.com www.marinedepotlive.com www.saltwaterfish.com __________________ "Enough light? Heck I could go barebottom and grow SPS in the stand!" - DiscoReefRover

04/04/2008, 12:06 PM	#5
Ed Kazz Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northeastern PA Posts: 288	Thanks for the info!! Will post pictures later (must go to work now). How bot' a good online store to buy some little creatures and live rock? Thanks Again Ed

04/04/2008, 12:23 PM	#8
Ed Kazz Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northeastern PA Posts: 288	One more quick question... Is this stuff ok to use? "Onyx Sand is a great way to make a statement Pitch-black, sparkling sand, completely safe for fresh and salt water. This sand does have a slight buffering capacity, as well. All natural, no artificial coatings. Ideally suited to planted aquaria and most effective when used alone. However it may be mixed with other gravel to make a completely unique aquascape. " The kids want to make a black strip in the sand. Thanks Ed

04/04/2008, 12:28 PM	#9
Aquarist007 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hamilton, Canada Posts: 28,240 Blog Entries: 1	its ok to use Ed, but for decoration purposes--it doesn't do anything else like it reports to do __________________ I prefer my substrates stirred but not shaken Current Tank Info: 150gal long mixed reef, 90gal sump, 60 gal refugium with 200 lbs live rock

04/04/2008, 06:55 PM	#10
nanchil Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mohegan Lake, NY Posts: 83	Also buying sand online is not cost effective. __________________ ------------------------------ NyReefClub "Coin Always Makes Sound, But The Currency Notes Are Always Silent. So When Your Value Increases Keep Yourself Calm Silent." - Shakespeare Current Tank Info: 75G / Setting up Reefer 525 XL

04/04/2008, 08:46 PM	#12
GBE378 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Melbourne, florida Posts: 107	I bought nine 30lb bags online and it was way cheaper then I could have gotten at any of the LFS in my area. That included shipping too.

04/08/2008, 12:11 PM	#14
Ed Kazz Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northeastern PA Posts: 288	Refugium How to ???? Hi I have this Refugium and have No idea how to hook (plum) it to my main tank (which way the water flows thru it). It is a TruVu. I had called the company and they were no help (just wanted to sell a new one). Anyway I think the water flow comes in at the left side (I think a protein skimmer goes in there)and then water flows goes down thru egg crate (should I place some floss or sponge there?) I will have live sand in the middle section..but there is only one divider on the right! That's where a hole is drilled on the bottom right side. What keeps the sand from going into the pump? Should I install another baffle? Just can't wait to install this to get some water in tank!! Thanks Ed http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn167/EdKaz/

04/09/2008, 08:51 AM	#16
Tswifty Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PA Posts: 14,022	Here's my initial thought with this type of setup. The ball valve only comes in to play if your return pump is too strong, and it will divert excess water into the refugium. __________________ "Enough light? Heck I could go barebottom and grow SPS in the stand!" - DiscoReefRover

04/09/2008, 09:51 AM	#17
Ed Kazz Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northeastern PA Posts: 288	Thanks for the help. One question (maybe 2) ... is the green pipe (in drawing) the return line to main tank and red one from tank? How would the edd-crate baffle keep sand out of pump? Sorry I am a little slow. Ed

04/09/2008, 10:03 AM	#18
Tswifty Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PA Posts: 14,022	You're correct. Green is to tank... Red from tank. The eggcrate won't keep sand out of the pump. from your original picture it looks like there is a small wall in place already, behind where I drew the eggcrate. I would make my sand bed almost as high as this wall, but not completely to the top... for obvious reasons. It will just be easier to keep the eggcrate in place if it extends the whole way into the sand. __________________ "Enough light? Heck I could go barebottom and grow SPS in the stand!" - DiscoReefRover

04/09/2008, 10:14 AM	#19
Ed Kazz Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northeastern PA Posts: 288	Thanks again Looks do-able ! Ed