cloudy tank

cgarr017 · 04/27/2008, 10:04 PM

anybody have an answer to why my tank randomly got cloudy like overnight and has been that way for a couple days. all chemistry lvls are normal

demonsp · 04/27/2008, 10:06 PM

Another :water checks out" quote.
What do you test for?

cgarr017 · 04/27/2008, 10:19 PM

sal, ph, ammonia, nitrates, calcium, mag, alk

demonsp · 04/27/2008, 10:25 PM

Whats those readings?

cgarr017 · 04/27/2008, 10:44 PM

sal- 1.025
ph-8.4
phosphates, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates-0
alk-11
calcium-360
mag-1440

demonsp · 04/27/2008, 10:52 PM

http://www.aquariumfish.net/informat...oudy_water.htm

cgarr017 · 04/27/2008, 10:58 PM

the only thing i can think of is i recently started feeding frozen brine shrimp in addition to normal flakes plus nori for tangs. deciding to start doing this to increase protein in fish's diet and they always ate all the nori and flakes quickly. i have only fed 1 of the small frozen cubes of brine on two separates occasions so far. they might not eat every single bit but it seems like they eat a good portion of it. also have serpent star and cleaner shrimp and mad snails that usually eat stray food too. still unsure about this whole thing

demonsp · 04/27/2008, 11:04 PM

A bacteria explosion caused from excess food ,fish waste and other debris. Also if you want any shrimps then i would remove the serpant.

LR placement .powerhead placement and type of cleaning crew and amount you feed and scedule.A tank pic would help.

cgarr017 · 04/27/2008, 11:23 PM

why can't a serpent and cleaner shrimp be together? LR is in middle of tank with swimming room on all sides. they are in a small pile on each end and bridges and gaps throughout the middle. have 2 small strombus conchs 2 dozen ceriths 2 dozen nassarius 2 dozen astrea 5 turbos is what i have put in a few have died along the way. also have thousands of baby snails. within the past 3 or 4 months 10-15 colonies of snail eggs have hatched and at nightime the rocks and glass are all literally covered with baby snails. before i started feeding some brine i was feeding nori every other day or so and 2 pinches of flake a day about 6 hrs apart during the day all of which is eaten. will work on geting a pic if you still wana see it. will use my friends camera tomorow

demonsp · 04/27/2008, 11:32 PM

This is a 75 gallon.My god your way overstocked on all those.In my 75 i have 2 turbos , 5 nass , about 10 hermits and 2 conch.

My serpant was fine for over a yr but as he grew so did is appetite and after loosing 4 cleaner shrimp without knowing why i found a new added shrimp in his clutches.

I feed flake in the morning what they can eat in 2 or 3 min then frozen at night with 4 type to rotate and what they can eat in 3 or 4 min.

You have to many CUC.

cgarr017 · 04/27/2008, 11:48 PM

in reality what bad things come from too many snails? why? that bacterial bloom that is causing the cloudiness is coming from overfeeding or overstocked clean up crew?

demonsp · 04/27/2008, 11:54 PM

Well theres nowhere near enough of a food source for them.So many will die from an unpleasant slow starvation and only add to the problem.Then your putting to much of a load on the tank that would be better used for fish.
Im not sure whene they were added and other factors but you need to add fish and CUC balance. In time there numbers will lower to the level that would sustain them only extending your tanks maturaty.

Twz · 04/28/2008, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by demonsp
A bacteria explosion caused from excess food ,fish waste and other debris. Also if you want any shrimps then i would remove the serpant.

LR placement .powerhead placement and type of cleaning crew and amount you feed and scedule.A tank pic would help.

If you want shrimp remove the serpant?
i have 4 cleaners in my 125 and a serpent in and they have never had a problem,
i also have 2 cleaners and on in my 77...

demonsp · 04/28/2008, 12:07 AM

You also have a larger tank and still its a with caution critter. My response was from my experiance and many threads i see on this subject. As with your response also from your experiance. Hense with caution critter.

cgarr017 · 04/28/2008, 12:11 AM

so what snails should i keep and what should i get rid of?

demonsp · 04/28/2008, 12:18 AM

Cierths and margeritas are dumb and whene they get upsidedown they cant always upright themselfs and just die.

How many fish do you have?

cgarr017 · 04/28/2008, 12:24 AM

blonde naso, kole, midas blenny, true perc, green mandarin

demonsp · 04/28/2008, 12:25 AM

5 nass 10 hermits 1 turbo sounds good.

cgarr017 · 04/28/2008, 12:36 AM

why hermits? never been sold on hermits just would like to hear your reasoning

downhillbiker · 04/28/2008, 12:42 AM

i like the blue leg hermits because they can get into very small cracks and holes and do a good job cleaning, and eat hair algae.

i dont agree on overstocking. you will be fine, and if they do die, that is part of the game. CUC is always something that you have to check up on and restock if needed once a year or so. i think that if everyone is happy then you are good.

but i do think that some small hermits would be good, plus they are cool to watch.

cgarr017 · 04/28/2008, 12:50 AM

so scarlet red hermit vs blue leg hermit. any notable differences? they won't bother sps corals or any others? can you keep both kinds of hermits safely?

also we deterred from the main issue of cloudiness...i really doubt it can be from overfeeding cause it's only been twice that i have fed brine now in addition to flake. and the large cleanup crew slowly dying off has never before given me a problem

demonsp · 04/28/2008, 12:50 AM

Hermits are great scavangers. They can get in areas that other CUC cant reach and as a tool in water quality with very low needs.

downhillbiker · 04/28/2008, 12:55 AM

blue legs are way cheaper and they are smaller, so they dont cause as much problems. scarlets are supposed to be the most reef safe, but the blue legs are totally reef safe. a single blue leg will eat 4x as much as a single scarlet that is 2x the size of the blue leg. the scarlets are very slow and almost lathargic in their activity.

have you checked your skimmer? what is it up to? when did you last change your carbon? i run carbon in a canister filter, because carbon works better under pressure. i also use the filter media and change it every other day to keep from phosphates building up. did you dose with any calcium or kalk or anything?

cgarr017 · 04/28/2008, 01:04 AM

skimmer is doing ok produces decent amount of foam i don't use carbon, phosphate lvls have never been detectable. just maintaining calcium lvls with tropic marin bio calcium

i have heard bad things about hermits maybe just diff species but have heard about hermits nipping SPS, eating beneficial worms and irrating clams all of which i have

demonsp · 04/28/2008, 01:07 AM

If you have to many or your tank is under fead then any food source can look good.

Its all about balance. Stock ,feeding , waste , lighting , ect..

04/27/2008, 10:04 PM	#1
cgarr017 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: virginia beach Posts: 230	cloudy tank anybody have an answer to why my tank randomly got cloudy like overnight and has been that way for a couple days. all chemistry lvls are normal

04/27/2008, 10:19 PM	#3
cgarr017 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: virginia beach Posts: 230	sal, ph, ammonia, nitrates, calcium, mag, alk __________________ Old Dominion Current Tank Info: 75g mixed reef

04/27/2008, 10:44 PM	#5
cgarr017 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: virginia beach Posts: 230	sal- 1.025 ph-8.4 phosphates, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates-0 alk-11 calcium-360 mag-1440 __________________ Old Dominion Current Tank Info: 75g mixed reef

04/27/2008, 10:58 PM	#7
cgarr017 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: virginia beach Posts: 230	the only thing i can think of is i recently started feeding frozen brine shrimp in addition to normal flakes plus nori for tangs. deciding to start doing this to increase protein in fish's diet and they always ate all the nori and flakes quickly. i have only fed 1 of the small frozen cubes of brine on two separates occasions so far. they might not eat every single bit but it seems like they eat a good portion of it. also have serpent star and cleaner shrimp and mad snails that usually eat stray food too. still unsure about this whole thing __________________ Old Dominion Current Tank Info: 75g mixed reef

04/27/2008, 11:23 PM	#9
cgarr017 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: virginia beach Posts: 230	why can't a serpent and cleaner shrimp be together? LR is in middle of tank with swimming room on all sides. they are in a small pile on each end and bridges and gaps throughout the middle. have 2 small strombus conchs 2 dozen ceriths 2 dozen nassarius 2 dozen astrea 5 turbos is what i have put in a few have died along the way. also have thousands of baby snails. within the past 3 or 4 months 10-15 colonies of snail eggs have hatched and at nightime the rocks and glass are all literally covered with baby snails. before i started feeding some brine i was feeding nori every other day or so and 2 pinches of flake a day about 6 hrs apart during the day all of which is eaten. will work on geting a pic if you still wana see it. will use my friends camera tomorow __________________ Old Dominion Current Tank Info: 75g mixed reef

04/27/2008, 10:06 PM	#2
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	Another :water checks out" quote. What do you test for?

04/27/2008, 10:25 PM	#4
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	Whats those readings?

04/27/2008, 10:52 PM	#6
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	http://www.aquariumfish.net/informat...oudy_water.htm

04/27/2008, 11:04 PM	#8
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	A bacteria explosion caused from excess food ,fish waste and other debris. Also if you want any shrimps then i would remove the serpant. LR placement .powerhead placement and type of cleaning crew and amount you feed and scedule.A tank pic would help.

04/27/2008, 11:32 PM	#10
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	This is a 75 gallon.My god your way overstocked on all those.In my 75 i have 2 turbos , 5 nass , about 10 hermits and 2 conch. My serpant was fine for over a yr but as he grew so did is appetite and after loosing 4 cleaner shrimp without knowing why i found a new added shrimp in his clutches. I feed flake in the morning what they can eat in 2 or 3 min then frozen at night with 4 type to rotate and what they can eat in 3 or 4 min. You have to many CUC.

04/27/2008, 11:48 PM	#11
cgarr017 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: virginia beach Posts: 230	in reality what bad things come from too many snails? why? that bacterial bloom that is causing the cloudiness is coming from overfeeding or overstocked clean up crew? __________________ Old Dominion Current Tank Info: 75g mixed reef

04/27/2008, 11:54 PM	#12
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	Well theres nowhere near enough of a food source for them.So many will die from an unpleasant slow starvation and only add to the problem.Then your putting to much of a load on the tank that would be better used for fish. Im not sure whene they were added and other factors but you need to add fish and CUC balance. In time there numbers will lower to the level that would sustain them only extending your tanks maturaty.

04/28/2008, 12:07 AM	#14
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	You also have a larger tank and still its a with caution critter. My response was from my experiance and many threads i see on this subject. As with your response also from your experiance. Hense with caution critter.

04/28/2008, 12:11 AM	#15
cgarr017 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: virginia beach Posts: 230	so what snails should i keep and what should i get rid of? __________________ Old Dominion Current Tank Info: 75g mixed reef

04/28/2008, 12:18 AM	#16
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	Cierths and margeritas are dumb and whene they get upsidedown they cant always upright themselfs and just die. How many fish do you have?

04/28/2008, 12:24 AM	#17
cgarr017 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: virginia beach Posts: 230	blonde naso, kole, midas blenny, true perc, green mandarin __________________ Old Dominion Current Tank Info: 75g mixed reef

04/28/2008, 12:25 AM	#18
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	5 nass 10 hermits 1 turbo sounds good.

04/28/2008, 12:36 AM	#19
cgarr017 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: virginia beach Posts: 230	why hermits? never been sold on hermits just would like to hear your reasoning __________________ Old Dominion Current Tank Info: 75g mixed reef

04/28/2008, 12:42 AM	#20
downhillbiker Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 2,831	i like the blue leg hermits because they can get into very small cracks and holes and do a good job cleaning, and eat hair algae. i dont agree on overstocking. you will be fine, and if they do die, that is part of the game. CUC is always something that you have to check up on and restock if needed once a year or so. i think that if everyone is happy then you are good. but i do think that some small hermits would be good, plus they are cool to watch. __________________ The friendliest GIANT you'll ever meet. Current Tank Info: 200g Marineland Deep Dimension (Lumenmax Reflectors/Dual PFO 400w/Radium 20K) and 2xFrag Tanks (One TEK T5 fixture and one MH, Galaxy/Phoenix) on same system w/100g sump w/6"x100g DSB, AquaC EV-1000 Skimmer, Reeflo Barracuda return pump

04/28/2008, 12:50 AM	#21
cgarr017 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: virginia beach Posts: 230	so scarlet red hermit vs blue leg hermit. any notable differences? they won't bother sps corals or any others? can you keep both kinds of hermits safely? also we deterred from the main issue of cloudiness...i really doubt it can be from overfeeding cause it's only been twice that i have fed brine now in addition to flake. and the large cleanup crew slowly dying off has never before given me a problem __________________ Old Dominion Current Tank Info: 75g mixed reef

04/28/2008, 12:55 AM	#23
downhillbiker Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 2,831	blue legs are way cheaper and they are smaller, so they dont cause as much problems. scarlets are supposed to be the most reef safe, but the blue legs are totally reef safe. a single blue leg will eat 4x as much as a single scarlet that is 2x the size of the blue leg. the scarlets are very slow and almost lathargic in their activity. have you checked your skimmer? what is it up to? when did you last change your carbon? i run carbon in a canister filter, because carbon works better under pressure. i also use the filter media and change it every other day to keep from phosphates building up. did you dose with any calcium or kalk or anything? __________________ The friendliest GIANT you'll ever meet. Current Tank Info: 200g Marineland Deep Dimension (Lumenmax Reflectors/Dual PFO 400w/Radium 20K) and 2xFrag Tanks (One TEK T5 fixture and one MH, Galaxy/Phoenix) on same system w/100g sump w/6"x100g DSB, AquaC EV-1000 Skimmer, Reeflo Barracuda return pump

04/28/2008, 01:04 AM	#24
cgarr017 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: virginia beach Posts: 230	skimmer is doing ok produces decent amount of foam i don't use carbon, phosphate lvls have never been detectable. just maintaining calcium lvls with tropic marin bio calcium i have heard bad things about hermits maybe just diff species but have heard about hermits nipping SPS, eating beneficial worms and irrating clams all of which i have __________________ Old Dominion Current Tank Info: 75g mixed reef

04/28/2008, 01:07 AM	#25
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	If you have to many or your tank is under fead then any food source can look good. Its all about balance. Stock ,feeding , waste , lighting , ect..