Twin Spot Gobi Help!..... Dying

guinness0514 · 05/29/2008, 06:16 PM

Guys got a Twin Spot Gobi from the LFS yesterday and acclimated him and put in tank...he seemed stressed and didn't move. I checked him this morning and still not moved. he seemed to be gasping. I checked my nitrates first and they were at 5.0. I immediatedly did a 20% water change...He now is swimming around the tank and turning over like he is starting to die. EVERYTHING else in my tank is doing fine. I have two clowns that seem ok. What can I do and what do you think the issue is....Don't have long it seems..he is acting pretty bad...

HELP

demonsp · 05/29/2008, 06:37 PM

He needs air.
Do you have a powerhead?

guinness0514 · 05/29/2008, 06:45 PM

should have pleanty of air. I have two powerheads and an aquaC remora protein skimmer turning the water over. I also have a little problem with microbubbles...I can't imagine oxygen being the problem....Maybe I didn't acclaimate him properly...20 minsin the bag for temp then slowly put my tank water in the bag for another 10...then I dumped him in...not ggod enough? He has dissappeared now. He is swimming around the tank and stopping to roll over and then swimmig off again...should I just pull him out of the tank now or is ther any fighting chance??

guinness0514 · 05/29/2008, 06:47 PM

would nitrates at 5.0 kill a fish? It sux....Just didn't have any other signs that there was a problem. The rest of the tank looks great!

demonsp · 05/29/2008, 06:52 PM

How old is this tank?

What model powerhead?

I dought nitrate would kill a fish but ammonia will , whats the ammonia reading?

SW gets its main O2 supply from surface exhange caused by water movement. The micro bubbles you see cant get absorbed by the fish . The skimmer does help but more so by breaking the surface tension.
If you flow is fine then just turn the lights out and be sure your ammonia and salinity level are fine.

guinness0514 · 05/29/2008, 07:00 PM

Tank is pretty new. about 2 months old. water is moving good on surface and nobody else in the tank is having issues...
salinity is 1.023 and I am testing ammonia right now. I turned the lights off....

demonsp · 05/29/2008, 07:06 PM

Be sure you have good flow. If your lacking flow then your lacking O2 and adding another fish or a larger more O2 needy fish in it shows.

guinness0514 · 05/29/2008, 07:14 PM

How would you know if you had good enough flow. I have a 28g JBJ Nano HQI... Here are the specs:

(1) 150W HQI/14K
(4) Nite-Vu LEDs with Separate Power cord
(2) UL-Listed Accela Powerheads (266gph each/16W each)
(2) Directional flow nozzles on each side of the aquarium
(1) Ocean Pulse Duoâ€”Alternating WaveMaker
(1)Protein Skimmer (counter current) with Air Pump
(1) Integrated center overflow
(1) Newly redesigned filtration system with designated heater column and protein skimmer column with constant water levels
(4) Integrated cooling fans (3000rpm`s)
(1) Flame retardant ABS canopy housing
(1) Integrated thermal protector for canopy (auto shut off protection)
(1) Removal filter media basket with handle and sliding door for easy access
(1) Filter mediaâ€”sponge, activated carbon, ceramic rings

ammonia test came back as a small trace...almost 0 so I don't think that is it.

What else?

demonsp · 05/29/2008, 07:18 PM

The wave maker.

They are cool and can be usefull but in larger groups and high end powerheads. Either add a powerhead thats independent with the wave maker or just get some medium steady flow.

guinness0514 · 05/29/2008, 07:23 PM

so you think the alternating flow of the powerheads is causing the fish stress? I have them alternating every 10 secs...should I just turn them to both running always?

demonsp · 05/29/2008, 07:26 PM

Trying would be to easy and safe. But yes i do . Wave makers are expert only for the reason they need a good understanding of your tanks flow needs.

Just use the powerheads independent and if you want get more powerheads to add your wave maker.

Does this tank have a lid?

A pic would be great , do you have a digital camera cause if so open a www.photobucket.com account for easy pic sharing.

guinness0514 · 05/29/2008, 07:43 PM

Yes I will be happy to post a pic, but too late as the gobi is dead...He is behind some live rock not breathing and the CUC is on the scene. This brings me to my next issue....Most people say that the CUC will get rid of the fish, but I am a little concerned of the Nitrate spike this will cause. The nitrates were already at 5.0...this guy was a full sized twin spot and I only have a 28g tank. I have 4 blue legged hermits and some snails. I already tried to get to him to pull him out but can't reach him...Do I need to do whatever to get him out o do you feel that it won't harm anything and the CUC will handle? Dang it sux I lost him...I feel like such a baaaad parent....

guinness0514 · 05/29/2008, 07:54 PM

Nevermind. I got him out...Gave him a proper funerial...Whoosh...buried at sea....All joking aside...I hate that so bad...I hate playing god and killing fish....makes me hate this hobby....

Guess I will have to play it way more safe next time. Thanks Demonsp for the advice....

EllieSuz · 05/29/2008, 09:02 PM

You might want to study up on drip acclimation before your next fish purchase. I think some of the online suppliers even give specific directions for different species of fish. There are also the "mystery" deaths and we've all had them...no clear reason; they just happen.

05/29/2008, 06:16 PM	#1
guinness0514 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 404	Twin Spot Gobi Help!..... Dying Guys got a Twin Spot Gobi from the LFS yesterday and acclimated him and put in tank...he seemed stressed and didn't move. I checked him this morning and still not moved. he seemed to be gasping. I checked my nitrates first and they were at 5.0. I immediatedly did a 20% water change...He now is swimming around the tank and turning over like he is starting to die. EVERYTHING else in my tank is doing fine. I have two clowns that seem ok. What can I do and what do you think the issue is....Don't have long it seems..he is acting pretty bad... HELP

05/29/2008, 09:02 PM	#14
EllieSuz Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 3,858	You might want to study up on drip acclimation before your next fish purchase. I think some of the online suppliers even give specific directions for different species of fish. There are also the "mystery" deaths and we've all had them...no clear reason; they just happen. __________________ "You can't learn this hobby one question at a time." (Mr. Tuskfish) Eileen Current Tank Info: I'm out of the hobby, but used to have a60 gal. reef, refugium in sump, Internal Mag 9 return, SC 302 skimmer, two Maxi-Jet 1200's modded, four bulb T5 Lighting, Reefkeeper Lite Controller with three PC4's, Little Fishes GFO reactor.

05/29/2008, 06:37 PM	#2
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	He needs air. Do you have a powerhead?

05/29/2008, 06:45 PM	#3
guinness0514 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 404	should have pleanty of air. I have two powerheads and an aquaC remora protein skimmer turning the water over. I also have a little problem with microbubbles...I can't imagine oxygen being the problem....Maybe I didn't acclaimate him properly...20 minsin the bag for temp then slowly put my tank water in the bag for another 10...then I dumped him in...not ggod enough? He has dissappeared now. He is swimming around the tank and stopping to roll over and then swimmig off again...should I just pull him out of the tank now or is ther any fighting chance??

05/29/2008, 06:47 PM	#4
guinness0514 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 404	would nitrates at 5.0 kill a fish? It sux....Just didn't have any other signs that there was a problem. The rest of the tank looks great!

05/29/2008, 06:52 PM	#5
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	How old is this tank? What model powerhead? I dought nitrate would kill a fish but ammonia will , whats the ammonia reading? SW gets its main O2 supply from surface exhange caused by water movement. The micro bubbles you see cant get absorbed by the fish . The skimmer does help but more so by breaking the surface tension. If you flow is fine then just turn the lights out and be sure your ammonia and salinity level are fine.

05/29/2008, 07:00 PM	#6
guinness0514 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 404	Tank is pretty new. about 2 months old. water is moving good on surface and nobody else in the tank is having issues... salinity is 1.023 and I am testing ammonia right now. I turned the lights off....

05/29/2008, 07:06 PM	#7
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	Be sure you have good flow. If your lacking flow then your lacking O2 and adding another fish or a larger more O2 needy fish in it shows.

05/29/2008, 07:14 PM	#8
guinness0514 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 404	How would you know if you had good enough flow. I have a 28g JBJ Nano HQI... Here are the specs: (1) 150W HQI/14K (4) Nite-Vu LEDs with Separate Power cord (2) UL-Listed Accela Powerheads (266gph each/16W each) (2) Directional flow nozzles on each side of the aquarium (1) Ocean Pulse Duoâ€”Alternating WaveMaker (1)Protein Skimmer (counter current) with Air Pump (1) Integrated center overflow (1) Newly redesigned filtration system with designated heater column and protein skimmer column with constant water levels (4) Integrated cooling fans (3000rpm`s) (1) Flame retardant ABS canopy housing (1) Integrated thermal protector for canopy (auto shut off protection) (1) Removal filter media basket with handle and sliding door for easy access (1) Filter mediaâ€”sponge, activated carbon, ceramic rings ammonia test came back as a small trace...almost 0 so I don't think that is it. What else?

05/29/2008, 07:18 PM	#9
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	The wave maker. They are cool and can be usefull but in larger groups and high end powerheads. Either add a powerhead thats independent with the wave maker or just get some medium steady flow.

05/29/2008, 07:23 PM	#10
guinness0514 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 404	so you think the alternating flow of the powerheads is causing the fish stress? I have them alternating every 10 secs...should I just turn them to both running always?

05/29/2008, 07:26 PM	#11
demonsp Moved On Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: el paso tx Posts: 7,634	Trying would be to easy and safe. But yes i do . Wave makers are expert only for the reason they need a good understanding of your tanks flow needs. Just use the powerheads independent and if you want get more powerheads to add your wave maker. Does this tank have a lid? A pic would be great , do you have a digital camera cause if so open a www.photobucket.com account for easy pic sharing.

05/29/2008, 07:43 PM	#12
guinness0514 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 404	Yes I will be happy to post a pic, but too late as the gobi is dead...He is behind some live rock not breathing and the CUC is on the scene. This brings me to my next issue....Most people say that the CUC will get rid of the fish, but I am a little concerned of the Nitrate spike this will cause. The nitrates were already at 5.0...this guy was a full sized twin spot and I only have a 28g tank. I have 4 blue legged hermits and some snails. I already tried to get to him to pull him out but can't reach him...Do I need to do whatever to get him out o do you feel that it won't harm anything and the CUC will handle? Dang it sux I lost him...I feel like such a baaaad parent....

05/29/2008, 07:54 PM	#13
guinness0514 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 404	Nevermind. I got him out...Gave him a proper funerial...Whoosh...buried at sea....All joking aside...I hate that so bad...I hate playing god and killing fish....makes me hate this hobby.... Guess I will have to play it way more safe next time. Thanks Demonsp for the advice....