ID-Cone Type Snail?

Lunabud74 · 06/21/2008, 07:09 PM

Any Idea? I have a picture of them on my blog.

OH, I probably should add that they seem to like burying themselves in the sand as they are doing that right now in the holding tank I have them in. The one in the holding tank was flipped over on his back so that I could get a good shot of his foot.

Mystery Snail

Cross posted in Other Inverts Forum.

Lunabud74 · 06/21/2008, 08:14 PM

Sally's Auger

Any Ideas?

Lunabud74 · 06/21/2008, 11:12 PM

bump

Lunabud74 · 06/22/2008, 07:39 AM

bump

Sk8r · 06/22/2008, 07:55 AM

It eats spionid worms, apparently, and will be much too specialist for your tank. Best returned to the wild, unless you can get it to eat fishfood.
I couldn't find hastula sallenana, but this is for hastula inconstans:
"Hastula inconstans is a primary carnivore, preying exclusively on Dispio magna, a tube-dwelling, depositfeeding spionid polychaete. The gastropod lives just beyond the surf zone and exhibits well-developed adaptations that permit survival in this habitat. The broad, fleshy foot, used in anchoring the snail in the sand and in rapid reburrowing, is also highly modified as a "sail" which carries H. inconstans up and down the beach with the passage of waves. A highly specialized foregut contains long retractile labial and buccal tubes, which, combined with a poison bulb and radular teeth, rapidly sting, immobilize, and ingest prey. The snail lies buried in the sand when not feeding, but emerges when prey are detected by distance chemoreception. Nearby prey are reached by rapidly crawling over the sand surface, and prey at a distance are reached by using the foot to "sail" to their location. In either case, contact with the prey is first made by the propodium of the foot, rapidly followed by proboscis eversion. After contact is made, the prey is stabbed by a radular tooth held by the buccal tube, poison is injected into the wound, and engulfing of the worm begins. This entire sequence occurs between the passage of waves, and the snail usually reburrows to continue feeding before the next wave arrives."

parothead22 · 06/22/2008, 08:54 AM

Pretty much every cone shelled snail is not a reef safe snail. Very predatory in nature with one species fatal to humans(Conus textile)!

Lunabud74 · 06/22/2008, 10:17 AM

Sk8r, I would love to take them back, unfortunately, I did not bring them from Florida to Kentucky. My Mom was on the beach thursday and called to say she was bringing snails for my tank. I did ask her not to bring them back as I had no idea what kind of snail they were, but she never listens to me. She came over with them last night as a 'surprise' gift from florida and kept trying to drop them in the tank from the holding bin. She finally stopped when I told her that if they killed anything she would have to pay to have it replaced. She has the energy of a 4 year old child. You know never sits still, always talking always moving and tell them not to do something so they do it anyway grinning as the go. Now, I don't know what I am going to do with 12 carnivorous and poisonous snail? The shells are pretty, so they could end up as shells for the hermit crabs. Put a few in my shell display and a few evacuated specimens in the tank for the hermits.

Thanks for the help!
Am off to boil water...................

pagojoe · 06/22/2008, 02:27 PM

You might search for information on Impages salleana as well as Hastula salleana, since that is the name used in the most recent classifications. As sk8r says, they will be worm eaters, but their habitat is fairly fine silty sand, so their prey species probably inhabit the same areas--fairly different from the typical coral sand found in reef tanks. You might try putting one or two in the tank anyway just to see if they will survive. They don't get very large, and it would take a long time for one of them to make any impact on your worm population, assuming you have suitable worms living in your tank. A similar species, Impages cinerea, is often found in the same area as I. salleana, although this species gets almost twice as large.

http://www.gastropods.com/9/Shell_4009.html

Cheers,

Don

Lunabud74 · 06/22/2008, 05:17 PM

I haven't been able to boil them quite yet as I was toying around with the idea of a nano for them. I did look up the spionid worms and guess what I do have a few of those in my tank. Bet that is what happened to my crocea that was healthy for a long time and then died unexpectedly. As long as they do not bother my nassarius or olive snails, I guess putting 2 in the tank will not hurt. I did use a gallon of live sand (and several gallons of water) from the area these were captured to seed my first tank and then used the sand from that tank to seed the current tank. so I bet what ever they eat is probably waiting for them this very moment in my tank....hmmm

06/21/2008, 07:09 PM	#1
Lunabud74 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kentucky Posts: 180	ID-Cone Type Snail? Any Idea? I have a picture of them on my blog. OH, I probably should add that they seem to like burying themselves in the sand as they are doing that right now in the holding tank I have them in. The one in the holding tank was flipped over on his back so that I could get a good shot of his foot. Mystery Snail Cross posted in Other Inverts Forum. __________________ past tanks 75 & 29 gallon reefs. Current Tank Info: 12 gallon nano

06/21/2008, 08:14 PM	#2
Lunabud74 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kentucky Posts: 180	Found ID, but is it reef safe? Sally's Auger Any Ideas? __________________ past tanks 75 & 29 gallon reefs. Current Tank Info: 12 gallon nano

06/21/2008, 11:12 PM	#3
Lunabud74 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kentucky Posts: 180	bump __________________ past tanks 75 & 29 gallon reefs. Current Tank Info: 12 gallon nano

06/22/2008, 07:39 AM	#4
Lunabud74 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kentucky Posts: 180	bump __________________ past tanks 75 & 29 gallon reefs. Current Tank Info: 12 gallon nano

06/22/2008, 07:55 AM	#5
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	It eats spionid worms, apparently, and will be much too specialist for your tank. Best returned to the wild, unless you can get it to eat fishfood. I couldn't find hastula sallenana, but this is for hastula inconstans: "Hastula inconstans is a primary carnivore, preying exclusively on Dispio magna, a tube-dwelling, depositfeeding spionid polychaete. The gastropod lives just beyond the surf zone and exhibits well-developed adaptations that permit survival in this habitat. The broad, fleshy foot, used in anchoring the snail in the sand and in rapid reburrowing, is also highly modified as a "sail" which carries H. inconstans up and down the beach with the passage of waves. A highly specialized foregut contains long retractile labial and buccal tubes, which, combined with a poison bulb and radular teeth, rapidly sting, immobilize, and ingest prey. The snail lies buried in the sand when not feeding, but emerges when prey are detected by distance chemoreception. Nearby prey are reached by rapidly crawling over the sand surface, and prey at a distance are reached by using the foot to "sail" to their location. In either case, contact with the prey is first made by the propodium of the foot, rapidly followed by proboscis eversion. After contact is made, the prey is stabbed by a radular tooth held by the buccal tube, poison is injected into the wound, and engulfing of the worm begins. This entire sequence occurs between the passage of waves, and the snail usually reburrows to continue feeding before the next wave arrives." __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

06/22/2008, 08:54 AM	#6
parothead22 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: connecticut Posts: 170	Pretty much every cone shelled snail is not a reef safe snail. Very predatory in nature with one species fatal to humans(Conus textile)! __________________ 125g 250wattMH's 14000kHQI. 20gal.sump, dual megaflows AquaCEv180skim mag7,9.5 5gal. refug 35g 175w 10000kwactinic pc's, AquaC Remora skim75gal. Sealife skimAsst. LPS,SPS,Octocorals.inverts, reef fish Current Tank Info: 125gal and 35 gal. hex reef tanks, 75 gal fish only w/lr.

06/22/2008, 10:17 AM	#7
Lunabud74 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kentucky Posts: 180	Sk8r, I would love to take them back, unfortunately, I did not bring them from Florida to Kentucky. My Mom was on the beach thursday and called to say she was bringing snails for my tank. I did ask her not to bring them back as I had no idea what kind of snail they were, but she never listens to me. She came over with them last night as a 'surprise' gift from florida and kept trying to drop them in the tank from the holding bin. She finally stopped when I told her that if they killed anything she would have to pay to have it replaced. She has the energy of a 4 year old child. You know never sits still, always talking always moving and tell them not to do something so they do it anyway grinning as the go. Now, I don't know what I am going to do with 12 carnivorous and poisonous snail? The shells are pretty, so they could end up as shells for the hermit crabs. Put a few in my shell display and a few evacuated specimens in the tank for the hermits. Thanks for the help! Am off to boil water................... __________________ past tanks 75 & 29 gallon reefs. Current Tank Info: 12 gallon nano

06/22/2008, 02:27 PM	#8
pagojoe Team RC Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Conroe, TX Posts: 2,761	You might search for information on Impages salleana as well as Hastula salleana, since that is the name used in the most recent classifications. As sk8r says, they will be worm eaters, but their habitat is fairly fine silty sand, so their prey species probably inhabit the same areas--fairly different from the typical coral sand found in reef tanks. You might try putting one or two in the tank anyway just to see if they will survive. They don't get very large, and it would take a long time for one of them to make any impact on your worm population, assuming you have suitable worms living in your tank. A similar species, Impages cinerea, is often found in the same area as I. salleana, although this species gets almost twice as large. http://www.gastropods.com/9/Shell_4009.html Cheers, Don

06/22/2008, 05:17 PM	#9
Lunabud74 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kentucky Posts: 180	I haven't been able to boil them quite yet as I was toying around with the idea of a nano for them. I did look up the spionid worms and guess what I do have a few of those in my tank. Bet that is what happened to my crocea that was healthy for a long time and then died unexpectedly. As long as they do not bother my nassarius or olive snails, I guess putting 2 in the tank will not hurt. I did use a gallon of live sand (and several gallons of water) from the area these were captured to seed my first tank and then used the sand from that tank to seed the current tank. so I bet what ever they eat is probably waiting for them this very moment in my tank....hmmm __________________ past tanks 75 & 29 gallon reefs. Current Tank Info: 12 gallon nano