wild caught

fuankee · 08/17/2008, 02:15 PM

Hi all,
i'm very very new to this hobby, started my reef tank about half a year ago with a few damsels, a goby, a dartfish, a 6-line wrasse, 2 anemones, a star polyp, and some corals. everything is in good condition.

couple of days back, my frens and i caught a 15cm seychelles moray, a slug (blue n pale yellow color, no idea what species), a cone snail (no idea what species), and a 3.5" weird centipede-looking creature found under some dead coral. i tried googling but no luck.

to keep them alive, i've put them into the tank together with the rest, the moray n slug seem to be doing fine, the centipede thingy seems harmless, but im not too sure bout the cone snail as they're known to be aggressive to small fishes (correct me if im wrong). what should i do? will the moray attack others? are these reef-safe creatures? any idea what this centipede-looking thing is?

will try to post some pics asap. Thanks!!!

SquidHC · 08/17/2008, 02:20 PM

I have no clue, but your walking on some dangerous grounds putting them in your reef tank before you had an ID. A cooler full of salt water may have worked for a temp solution.

billdogg · 08/17/2008, 05:08 PM

+100^^^ also - some types of cone snails WILL KILL YOU! the nudubranch (slug) will probably not make it - they tend to have very specific feeding habits. when it dies it will trash your tank. you are asking for major trouble just putting unknown things together. best of luck!

sassafrass · 08/17/2008, 05:35 PM

According to Ronald Shimek,PH.D's Book Marine Invertebrates Conus species snails are "Exceptionally dangerous ; should never be kept by amateur aquarists" This is written in red !!!!
It also states that if stung you will probably DIE . The venom is fast-acting and there is NO anti-venin. This is a direct quote from a doctor of marine biology

Adam98150 · 08/17/2008, 07:09 PM

Quote:

One species, the Geography cone, Conus geographus, is also known colloquially as the "cigarette snail," a humorous exaggeration stating that, when stung by this creature, the victim will have only enough time to smoke a cigarette before dying.[2][3] In the case of these larger species of cone snail, there may be risk of the harpoon penetrating gloves or wetsuits. Symptoms of a cone snail sting include intense pain, swelling, numbness and tingling. Symptoms can start immediately or can be delayed in onset for days. Severe cases involve muscle paralysis, changes in vision and respiratory failure that can lead to death. There is no antivenom, and treatment involves providing life support until the venom is metabolised by the victim.

fuankee · 08/18/2008, 01:25 AM

Holy!!!..
gonna have the cone snail removed right away!!..
thanks for the info!!

here are some pics, hope u guys can help figure out what they are, thanks!!

this is the sea slug i was talking about..

a fish we caught, what is it anyway?

a close-up of that fish

this IS a cone snail.. right?

fuankee · 08/18/2008, 05:24 AM

n this is the lil centipede-looking guy i was talking about.

SWaquariast · 08/18/2008, 05:29 AM

the "centipede" is a bristle worm they can be gould or bad.

VacavilleFC3S · 08/18/2008, 06:18 AM

IMO everything except the snail seems fine

fuankee · 08/18/2008, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SWaquariast
the "centipede" is a bristle worm they can be gould or bad.

hi, how can we tell if its good or bad?

insteng43 · 08/18/2008, 04:13 PM

bristleworms will only eat dead things. People see them eating something and think they killed it. Actually they are only cleaning up anything dead in your tank.

paraletho · 08/18/2008, 04:35 PM

The snail looks more like a cowrie in that picture and my guess on the fish is some species off lizardfish. In my area wehave the inshore lizardfish (Synodus foetens) Where were these collected?Cowries would not be poisonus and I have seen some advertised in the aquarium trade.

paraletho · 08/18/2008, 05:57 PM

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/gastroart2.htm
Try this for some info on snails. If it is a cone be careful please

Elan L. · 08/18/2008, 06:51 PM

Some cones can kill a fully grown man in 45 minutes, just letting you know.

crvz · 08/18/2008, 06:58 PM

hmm, the snail does seem like bad news. I'd probably deal with it sooner rather than later.

IslandCrow · 08/18/2008, 07:58 PM

Yeah, that's not a cone snail. Of course, I don't know what type of snail it is, but I'd just leave it be for now. That definitely looks like some sort of nudibranch in the first picture. I'm far from an expert on them, but it looks like a picture of a Chromodoris willani I have in one of my books. Of course, there are probably at least a dozen species I've never seen that look similar, so that's far from a positive ID.

seapug · 08/18/2008, 08:12 PM

the "cone snail" looks like a cucumber to me. Where do you live? East Africa? I'm no eel expert, but I would assume a seychelles eel would be found in the Seychelles.

fuankee · 08/18/2008, 08:53 PM

i'm from south east asia, Malaysia. caught these near some local beaches, Port Dickson to be precise.

i tried feeding this guy with frozen food, he's not taking it. any suggestion on his diet?

anybody has experience keeping 1 of these?

ser_renely · 08/18/2008, 09:00 PM

legal to catch stuff?

looks maybe like a fire worm? not colourful

seapug · 08/18/2008, 09:36 PM

wow....Malaysia...lucky you. You might post in the fish forum here and look in the marine section of wetwebmedia.com. They have some good family/species overviews there.

fuankee · 08/19/2008, 01:51 PM

i got 2 of this in the tank

but 1 has gone missing. could it be possibly eaten by the eel? but that fish is much bigger in size. hmm..

the eel jumped off da tank last night, but manage to save it. waht does this tell?

how well can these wild caught fishes adapt to captivity?

ser_renely · 08/19/2008, 06:25 PM

It just sounds you are not doing your research before you are putting animals in your tank? Not to sound rude but doing that is irresponsible and cruel to the livestock you are catching.

Wild caught fish adapt fine, if not better then store bought because there is nominal stress on them.

08/17/2008, 02:15 PM	#1
fuankee Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8	wild caught Hi all, i'm very very new to this hobby, started my reef tank about half a year ago with a few damsels, a goby, a dartfish, a 6-line wrasse, 2 anemones, a star polyp, and some corals. everything is in good condition. couple of days back, my frens and i caught a 15cm seychelles moray, a slug (blue n pale yellow color, no idea what species), a cone snail (no idea what species), and a 3.5" weird centipede-looking creature found under some dead coral. i tried googling but no luck. to keep them alive, i've put them into the tank together with the rest, the moray n slug seem to be doing fine, the centipede thingy seems harmless, but im not too sure bout the cone snail as they're known to be aggressive to small fishes (correct me if im wrong). what should i do? will the moray attack others? are these reef-safe creatures? any idea what this centipede-looking thing is? will try to post some pics asap. Thanks!!!

08/17/2008, 02:20 PM	#2
SquidHC Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon, USA Posts: 840	I have no clue, but your walking on some dangerous grounds putting them in your reef tank before you had an ID. A cooler full of salt water may have worked for a temp solution. __________________ We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams. Current Tank Info: 30x30 cube under construction!

08/17/2008, 05:08 PM	#3
billdogg Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Grove City, Ohio Posts: 10,806	+100^^^ also - some types of cone snails WILL KILL YOU! the nudubranch (slug) will probably not make it - they tend to have very specific feeding habits. when it dies it will trash your tank. you are asking for major trouble just putting unknown things together. best of luck! __________________ I'll try to be nice if you try to be smarter! I can't help that I grow older, but you can't make me grow up! Current Tank Info: 120 mixed reef with 40b sump, RO 150 skimmer, AI Sol Blue x 2, and a 60g Frag Tank with 100g rubbermaid sump. 2 x Kessil A360w lights, BM curve 5 skimmer

08/18/2008, 05:29 AM	#8
SWaquariast Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: USA Posts: 745	the "centipede" is a bristle worm they can be gould or bad. __________________ Mitch Current Tank Info: 20g Mixed reef aquarium.

08/18/2008, 04:35 PM	#12
paraletho Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sabine Pass TX Posts: 433	The snail looks more like a cowrie in that picture and my guess on the fish is some species off lizardfish. In my area wehave the inshore lizardfish (Synodus foetens) Where were these collected?Cowries would not be poisonus and I have seen some advertised in the aquarium trade. __________________ There is no better feeling in the world than waking up in the morning and knowing you're doing what you were born to do. It's your life just do it Current Tank Info: 32month old 58 gallon (GBTA,Mushrooms,Dendros,Ricordea,Red Planet,Lobo, Open Brain,10" Torch,Hammer/Frogspawn Xbreed, Mated Pair Ocellaris, Powder Blue ,CB shrimp, assorted cleanup crew) mag 9, 6x39 T5 ATI; 21 mth old 125 gal SPS 50 gal sump/refugium

08/17/2008, 05:35 PM	#4
sassafrass Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: capitola ca Posts: 1,729	According to Ronald Shimek,PH.D's Book Marine Invertebrates Conus species snails are "Exceptionally dangerous ; should never be kept by amateur aquarists" This is written in red !!!! It also states that if stung you will probably DIE . The venom is fast-acting and there is NO anti-venin. This is a direct quote from a doctor of marine biology

08/18/2008, 01:25 AM	#6
fuankee Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8	Holy!!!.. gonna have the cone snail removed right away!!.. thanks for the info!! here are some pics, hope u guys can help figure out what they are, thanks!! this is the sea slug i was talking about.. a fish we caught, what is it anyway? a close-up of that fish this IS a cone snail.. right?

08/18/2008, 05:24 AM	#7
fuankee Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8	n this is the lil centipede-looking guy i was talking about.

08/18/2008, 06:18 AM	#9
VacavilleFC3S Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Vacaville California Posts: 2,613	IMO everything except the snail seems fine

08/18/2008, 04:13 PM	#11
insteng43 Moved On Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8	bristleworms will only eat dead things. People see them eating something and think they killed it. Actually they are only cleaning up anything dead in your tank.

08/18/2008, 05:57 PM	#13
paraletho Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sabine Pass TX Posts: 433	http://www.wetwebmedia.com/gastroart2.htm Try this for some info on snails. If it is a cone be careful please __________________ There is no better feeling in the world than waking up in the morning and knowing you're doing what you were born to do. It's your life just do it Current Tank Info: 32month old 58 gallon (GBTA,Mushrooms,Dendros,Ricordea,Red Planet,Lobo, Open Brain,10" Torch,Hammer/Frogspawn Xbreed, Mated Pair Ocellaris, Powder Blue ,CB shrimp, assorted cleanup crew) mag 9, 6x39 T5 ATI; 21 mth old 125 gal SPS 50 gal sump/refugium

08/18/2008, 06:51 PM	#14
Elan L. Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: miami beach Posts: 3,216	Some cones can kill a fully grown man in 45 minutes, just letting you know. __________________ ♀ ⊗ ┏ ┓ ♒♒♒♒♒ Current Tank Info: 75g sps dominated reef some lps. 24x18x12 frag tank plumbed into 29g sump w/ Octopus Xtreme 160

08/18/2008, 06:58 PM	#15
crvz Team RC Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: houstonia Posts: 7,989	hmm, the snail does seem like bad news. I'd probably deal with it sooner rather than later. __________________ -Chris- You don't win friends with salad. "Look! They're trying to learn for free!" ... "Use your phony guns as clubs!" Current Tank Info: rectangluar? wet?

08/18/2008, 07:58 PM	#16
IslandCrow Reef Monkey Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Rockledge, Fl Posts: 5,759	Yeah, that's not a cone snail. Of course, I don't know what type of snail it is, but I'd just leave it be for now. That definitely looks like some sort of nudibranch in the first picture. I'm far from an expert on them, but it looks like a picture of a Chromodoris willani I have in one of my books. Of course, there are probably at least a dozen species I've never seen that look similar, so that's far from a positive ID. __________________ All opinions in the above message should be taken with 35 ppt salt. -Mike C. Current Tank Info: I have a reef screen saver on my phone, does that count?

08/18/2008, 08:12 PM	#17
seapug Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 4980 ft. Posts: 7,954 Blog Entries: 1	the "cone snail" looks like a cucumber to me. Where do you live? East Africa? I'm no eel expert, but I would assume a seychelles eel would be found in the Seychelles. __________________ insert clever saying here. Current Tank Info: 200 gallon custom Marineland DD peninsular tank. LPS dominated mixed reef. Previous 90 gallon mixed reef TOTM April 2009.

08/18/2008, 08:53 PM	#18
fuankee Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8	i'm from south east asia, Malaysia. caught these near some local beaches, Port Dickson to be precise. i tried feeding this guy with frozen food, he's not taking it. any suggestion on his diet? anybody has experience keeping 1 of these?

08/18/2008, 09:00 PM	#19
ser_renely Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,820	legal to catch stuff? looks maybe like a fire worm? not colourful __________________ RIP: Osc. Clown - Ammonia, YW GobY - overflow, YW Goby - Pistol shrimp, Firefish - acclimation. 5 Fire fish - pistol shrimp, Mandarin - Pistol shrimp!!!!! Current Tank Info: 60g Cube, 15g sump/fuge,Tunze 9010 skimmer, Reefbreeders Photon 16" - 2 Osc. Clowns,2 Lyretail Anthias, Blue Chromis, mp20, mp10....another DAMN pistol shrimp!

08/18/2008, 09:36 PM	#20
seapug Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 4980 ft. Posts: 7,954 Blog Entries: 1	wow....Malaysia...lucky you. You might post in the fish forum here and look in the marine section of wetwebmedia.com. They have some good family/species overviews there. __________________ insert clever saying here. Current Tank Info: 200 gallon custom Marineland DD peninsular tank. LPS dominated mixed reef. Previous 90 gallon mixed reef TOTM April 2009.

08/19/2008, 01:51 PM	#21
fuankee Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8	i got 2 of this in the tank but 1 has gone missing. could it be possibly eaten by the eel? but that fish is much bigger in size. hmm.. the eel jumped off da tank last night, but manage to save it. waht does this tell? how well can these wild caught fishes adapt to captivity?

08/19/2008, 06:25 PM	#22
ser_renely Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,820	It just sounds you are not doing your research before you are putting animals in your tank? Not to sound rude but doing that is irresponsible and cruel to the livestock you are catching. Wild caught fish adapt fine, if not better then store bought because there is nominal stress on them. __________________ RIP: Osc. Clown - Ammonia, YW GobY - overflow, YW Goby - Pistol shrimp, Firefish - acclimation. 5 Fire fish - pistol shrimp, Mandarin - Pistol shrimp!!!!! Current Tank Info: 60g Cube, 15g sump/fuge,Tunze 9010 skimmer, Reefbreeders Photon 16" - 2 Osc. Clowns,2 Lyretail Anthias, Blue Chromis, mp20, mp10....another DAMN pistol shrimp!