Tang that doesnt break out with ick?

[gkimble]

What tangs are easy to deal with and don't break out with ick out of the blue? I had a powder brown that did every now and then. I was thinking in the lines of a koal tang or some kind of bristle tooth for my 72 gallon bow SPS

[Freed]

ANY fish can bring ich in to your system. QT is a must unless you want to go thru the hell of all of your fish dying or trying to tear your tank down to catch them after the fact and try to save them in QT.

[BangkokMatt]

You either have ich in your tank or, more uncommonly, you don't. You need to qt everything from day 1 to have an ich free system or you can have a fallow tank for several weeks to eliminate the life cycle of the parasite.
Tangs are particularly receptive to the parasite. However, with a good diet and excellent water quality your fish will be able to combat any major infestation.
IMO most tanks have ich - even the really awesome ones. Its how you deal with it that counts.
Placing a tang in a 72g bow is not going to help the situation. The tank is too small to have a happy tang, even of the smaller varieties. This will cause stress to the tang and the ich will take hold.

[Freed]

Opinion tells you that but FACT and documentation has proven otherwise

[BangkokMatt]

Originally posted by Freed
Opinion tells you that but FACT and documentation has proven otherwise

Fact and documentation - where? I don't understand your point

[Freed]

FACT and documentation by well known biologists(?), fish disease experts, etc tell us that ich IS NOT always present in everyone's aquarium and can be easily prevented in QT.

[BangkokMatt]

"ich IS NOT always present in everyone's aquarium and can be easily prevented in QT."

That is what I said. I even outlined, very briefly, how not to have ich in your system. This included QT. However, many if not most tanks do have ich.

[trueperc]

Freed and others I suggest reading this thread
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...readid=1482764

As it clearly shows and provides cases that shows ich can and is always present in some form is most takes.

[Freed]

Originally posted by BangkokMatt


However, with a good diet and excellent water quality your fish will be able to combat any major infestation.

Not true. Numerous reefers have lost most to all of their fish with this thought in mind.



IMO most tanks have ich - even the really awesome ones.

This is your opinion which could lead others to think this is the rule and not the exception.



This will cause stress to the tang and the ich will take hold.
Not necessarily true, again, stress does not cause ich which some might get the misguided interpretation from. Fact tells us that ich can spread from fish to fish and/or be present whether or not there is any stress, happiness throughout the tank, etc.

[ReefWreak]

Even if you QT your fish, you can still bring ich in through other means. We had a very responsible and knowledgeable person in our local FMAS club who ALWAYS QTed every fish before coming in, for weeks or months, to ensure that no ich ever got in. They added a coral once without QTing it first, and boom, all the fish got ich, and they had MANY losses.

I prefer having ich in my system, not bothering anything. I keep my fish well fed, and most do not suffer too much stress, and It's very very rare occasion to see a white spot on a fish if ever. I've had many fish now for over 2-3 years never suffering any ich related harm.

[BangkokMatt]

Freed - your opinions go very much against my experiences and knowledge of ich within an enclosed system but, hey, what do I know. As far as I am concerned, if the diet you are providing is good and water quality / husbandry is good then ich will cause few problems.

[thor32766]

Very true BangkokMatt. I totally agree. I had one huge brush with ich. Stupid of me, but a learning experience none the less. I had a blue hippo blow things up. His ich so was bad you could barely look at him. He beat it. A healthy fish can beat it. Diet and water quality aid in helping them do it.

[sunfish11]

I agree with thor37266 and bangcockmatt. I know I have ich present in my tank but the fish don't have any problems with it nor show any signs. I am sure it is there because when I first put my achilles in he got it (and beat it). I also put in a sixline wrasse that had it and he beat it as well.

I do think QT is good if you choose to go that route as long as it is done right. Common sense tells me that if you keep a religiously ich free display and some ich manages to get it than it will be much worse than if the fish were exposed. The fish wont have developed an immunity.

Lisa

[michael_cb_125]

IMO, when a person Qts every fish and tries to maintain an Ick free display, the chances of a major loss due to ick are increased. If you do not Qt Everything that goes into a tank, you can never fully eliminate ICK. It can come in on corals, inverts, anything added to the tank. If the fish have never been exposed to ick, they may not be prepared to fully fight it off. I know that I have Ick in my Display. I have seen a few spots on one of my fish. BUT, I feed very well, and my fish are very healthy. I have only seen these spots once. If fish are in good health they can fight off disease and parasites very effectively. IMO People under estimate the immune system of our fish. In Nature fish are exposed to many stressors, ick being one of them. But they fight it off. If you can maintain a tank that meets a fishes full needs, the fish will be able to fight off many problems.
~michael

[cwoods8]

Originally posted by BangkokMatt
"ich IS NOT always present in everyone's aquarium and can be easily prevented in QT."

That is what I said. I even outlined, very briefly, how not to have ich in your system. This included QT. However, many if not most tanks do have ich.

+1!

Sorry Freed.......these are facts, as most aquarists have at one point introduced ich into their tanks....and some...not all have decided to let the inhabitants fight it off (not endorsing this)

now unless you wrote a dissertation on the subject at hand.......i will continue to to rely on emperical imformation on the matter as we have all shared different results (as science does).......

some strains are much hardier than others and can survive the medications..(as they can also adapt) ....and perhaps you got lucky w/ yours....

[AquaKnight]

For everyone that suggests against QT, wait till you get a case of Marine Velvet, and every fish is gone within 2 days... Been there, done that....

I will agree keeping an Ich free tank is very hard and unlikely, but QT definitely still has 1000's of purposes, like preventive Velvet as mentioned, an area for treating internal parasites and other diseases, and getting finicky fish to eat. If you want to fail back and blame QT that many fish don't make it past QT, it's not QT's fault you kept a 6" Tang or Angel in a 20gal, it's your fault you can't maintain a larger QT.

[sunfish11]

I agree velvet is very bad. I had one fish once that came down with it and luckily I was able to save him.

Lisa