any one know how to get rid of this

jeremy petrie · 11/13/2008, 10:09 PM

I have green hair and red slime and my snails all died even the new ones I got a few weeks ago crabs, fish and corals all alive still I am going to use some poly filter to check for heavy metal but is there a chemical I can use
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jeremy petrie · 11/13/2008, 10:15 PM

I dont know how to post a pic oh well just hair algae anyway sure everyone has seen it before

newclean · 11/13/2008, 10:18 PM

Sounds like ammonia, but who knows without your water parameters.

Ammonia
Nitrate
Phosphate
Calcium
Alkalinity
Magnesium
PH

BPKlein · 11/14/2008, 12:07 AM

I am usually just an observer on the boards, (note the post count) but I feel that I need to chime in on this one.

If it is red or brown, stringy like hair algae, traps some bubbles in the slime and is taking out your snails...then you have the dreaded dinoflagellates. I know because I am still fighting a long fight against this stuff. Do some searches on here and you will find SOME information.

It seems that the most recommended way to kill it is high PH (8.5-8.8) mixed with a high alkalinity (12-14dkh) and high magnesium (1700ish). This combined with NO water changes. I missed diagnosed this stuff as an algae and treated it as such with water changes and more snails. The water changes just fueled this stuff stronger and ALL of my astrea and naussarius snails are dead.

I wish you luck with this horrible stuff. My battle with this stuff seems to never ending, but I am starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Bryan

BPKlein · 11/14/2008, 10:54 AM

I forgot to mention in my above post about lighting. It seems that some strains of this stuff need light to grow and some don't. If it appears to decline overnight, then you can help battle it with a reduced light schedule. I am trying 2 days no light. Then 2 days with only 4 hours. Then 2 days no light again. I am going to keep up this schedule for a couple of weeks and see if it helps.

Bryan

Sk8r · 11/14/2008, 10:59 AM

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...readid=1510677

jeremy petrie · 11/14/2008, 11:00 AM

all my params are in normal range and yeah dino or red slime and hair algae are in the tank so dino can kill all my snails that sucks I have tried to cover my tank and leave the lights off for 3 days and that helped a bit but it came back as soon as the lights were on and I tried red slime remover the blue vet kind but cant kick it any one had this battle can give some advice

BPKlein · 11/14/2008, 11:06 AM

Red slime remover won't do a thing to dinos, and from doing A LOT of research on this stuff I have not found a "quick" cure.

mpty · 11/14/2008, 12:54 PM

i dunno bout that red slime remover stuff. as far as i know, it some kinda antibiotic (maybe erythromycin or something like that) and it kills all bacteria (like most antibiotics) good and bad. so unless you have a plan to put the good bacteria back in, i wouldn't recommend it. like someone on here said they used it and it totally got rid of the cyano but also got rid of everything else in the tank and it crashed.

xoxompty

thecoralreefer · 11/14/2008, 01:01 PM

If you do have dino's then it will be a battle.
But it can be won. When you say you params are good , what are they?? Temp alk, ca, nitrites trates?? give us something to go w /here. And how often do you feed??? Are you feeding ?? any fish??? Wrasses will eat you clean up crew !!!So help us help you.

mpty · 11/14/2008, 01:03 PM

definitely read sk8r's post. but here's what i got from research....

1. more flow
2. maybe add a fuge (macro/mangroves/etc)
3. more water changes (maybe even use a different salt mix)
4. don't overfeed (maybe only every other day)
5. patience with cleaning, daily hair algae/cyano scrubbing
6. reduce lighting period
7. aggressive skimming
8. might need to replace light bulbs if old
9. use ro/di water
10. maybe get a phosban reactor

- i did 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 9 and my tanks pretty good now... i mostly think it was the fuge that made the most diff.

xoxompty

BPKlein · 11/14/2008, 01:28 PM

mpty,

You can not treat dino's like algae. More flow and more water changes makes this stuff worse. This stuff is fed from the new water. It only makes it worse. Reduced light with a very high PH will kill it. But, it will be a slow process. I am on the verge of winning my battle.

mpty · 11/14/2008, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BPKlein
mpty,

You can not treat dino's like algae. More flow and more water changes makes this stuff worse. This stuff is fed from the new water. It only makes it worse. Reduced light with a very high PH will kill it. But, it will be a slow process. I am on the verge of winning my battle.

ah. dinos. kewl. never had those. sowwy.

xoxompty

jeremy petrie · 11/14/2008, 07:52 PM

thanks all for the advice I am putting it into action as we speak and sk8r great post thanks gives me a new direction to go in I am turning my sump into a fuge and will see how it goes the next month

11/13/2008, 10:09 PM	#1
jeremy petrie Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: socorro Posts: 214	any one know how to get rid of this I have green hair and red slime and my snails all died even the new ones I got a few weeks ago crabs, fish and corals all alive still I am going to use some poly filter to check for heavy metal but is there a chemical I can use 1113082056.jpg[IMG]1113082056.jpg[/IMG]

11/13/2008, 10:18 PM	#3
newclean Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 197	Sounds like ammonia, but who knows without your water parameters. Ammonia Nitrate Phosphate Calcium Alkalinity Magnesium PH __________________ We were taught to be universally resourceful by the water, the sun, and the stardust. Current Tank Info: 75 gal AGA sps, 50/25 gal diy acrylic sump, 17 gal diy acrylic fuge

11/14/2008, 10:54 AM	#5
BPKlein Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 70	I forgot to mention in my above post about lighting. It seems that some strains of this stuff need light to grow and some don't. If it appears to decline overnight, then you can help battle it with a reduced light schedule. I am trying 2 days no light. Then 2 days with only 4 hours. Then 2 days no light again. I am going to keep up this schedule for a couple of weeks and see if it helps. Bryan __________________ Bryan 135 Gallon LPS/Softie, T5 Lights

11/14/2008, 10:59 AM	#6
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...readid=1510677 __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

11/14/2008, 11:06 AM	#8
BPKlein Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 70	Red slime remover won't do a thing to dinos, and from doing A LOT of research on this stuff I have not found a "quick" cure. __________________ Bryan 135 Gallon LPS/Softie, T5 Lights

11/13/2008, 10:15 PM	#2
jeremy petrie Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: socorro Posts: 214	I dont know how to post a pic oh well just hair algae anyway sure everyone has seen it before

11/14/2008, 12:07 AM	#4
BPKlein Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 70	I am usually just an observer on the boards, (note the post count) but I feel that I need to chime in on this one. If it is red or brown, stringy like hair algae, traps some bubbles in the slime and is taking out your snails...then you have the dreaded dinoflagellates. I know because I am still fighting a long fight against this stuff. Do some searches on here and you will find SOME information. It seems that the most recommended way to kill it is high PH (8.5-8.8) mixed with a high alkalinity (12-14dkh) and high magnesium (1700ish). This combined with NO water changes. I missed diagnosed this stuff as an algae and treated it as such with water changes and more snails. The water changes just fueled this stuff stronger and ALL of my astrea and naussarius snails are dead. I wish you luck with this horrible stuff. My battle with this stuff seems to never ending, but I am starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Bryan

11/14/2008, 11:00 AM	#7
jeremy petrie Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: socorro Posts: 214	all my params are in normal range and yeah dino or red slime and hair algae are in the tank so dino can kill all my snails that sucks I have tried to cover my tank and leave the lights off for 3 days and that helped a bit but it came back as soon as the lights were on and I tried red slime remover the blue vet kind but cant kick it any one had this battle can give some advice

11/14/2008, 12:54 PM	#9
mpty Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 154	i dunno bout that red slime remover stuff. as far as i know, it some kinda antibiotic (maybe erythromycin or something like that) and it kills all bacteria (like most antibiotics) good and bad. so unless you have a plan to put the good bacteria back in, i wouldn't recommend it. like someone on here said they used it and it totally got rid of the cyano but also got rid of everything else in the tank and it crashed. xoxompty __________________ "Nuthin turns me on like a reefgeek boy rambling coral gear specks under an actinic blue light. Seriously. What else could a gal ask for?" Current Tank Info: Glass 65G, PC Lunar Aqualight, CL SuperSkimmer 65, Eheim Cannister, 80lbs live rock, 2" sand, 10G Fuge - 4" sand/mangrove/cheato, shrooms, duster, buttons, occelaris, japonicus tang, chromis, shrimp, bubble, open brain, leathers, frogspawn.

11/14/2008, 01:01 PM	#10
thecoralreefer Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: west palm beach.fl Posts: 440	If you do have dino's then it will be a battle. But it can be won. When you say you params are good , what are they?? Temp alk, ca, nitrites trates?? give us something to go w /here. And how often do you feed??? Are you feeding ?? any fish??? Wrasses will eat you clean up crew !!!So help us help you. __________________ If it can be done I will try. If you say it can't I try harder. Current Tank Info: 29 bioreef

11/14/2008, 01:03 PM	#11
mpty Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 154	definitely read sk8r's post. but here's what i got from research.... 1. more flow 2. maybe add a fuge (macro/mangroves/etc) 3. more water changes (maybe even use a different salt mix) 4. don't overfeed (maybe only every other day) 5. patience with cleaning, daily hair algae/cyano scrubbing 6. reduce lighting period 7. aggressive skimming 8. might need to replace light bulbs if old 9. use ro/di water 10. maybe get a phosban reactor - i did 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 9 and my tanks pretty good now... i mostly think it was the fuge that made the most diff. xoxompty __________________ "Nuthin turns me on like a reefgeek boy rambling coral gear specks under an actinic blue light. Seriously. What else could a gal ask for?" Current Tank Info: Glass 65G, PC Lunar Aqualight, CL SuperSkimmer 65, Eheim Cannister, 80lbs live rock, 2" sand, 10G Fuge - 4" sand/mangrove/cheato, shrooms, duster, buttons, occelaris, japonicus tang, chromis, shrimp, bubble, open brain, leathers, frogspawn.

11/14/2008, 01:28 PM	#12
BPKlein Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 70	mpty, You can not treat dino's like algae. More flow and more water changes makes this stuff worse. This stuff is fed from the new water. It only makes it worse. Reduced light with a very high PH will kill it. But, it will be a slow process. I am on the verge of winning my battle. __________________ Bryan 135 Gallon LPS/Softie, T5 Lights

11/14/2008, 07:52 PM	#14
jeremy petrie Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: socorro Posts: 214	thanks all for the advice I am putting it into action as we speak and sk8r great post thanks gives me a new direction to go in I am turning my sump into a fuge and will see how it goes the next month