French Angel.... (ATTN: Owners)

Vapour1ze · 01/07/2009, 10:01 PM

One of my LFS has one for like 30 bucks, its in this stage...

However they told me on the invoice it wasn't a French Angel, and they are assuming it isn't a french angel. I really want to buy this for my reef, any am assuming one day it turns into the bottom link below...
http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/angelfish/frenchangel/

However!, the last angel I had, Eibli Angel, was a loser, I hated him. I'm sorry but I did, literally in 2 days, all of my zoanthids and green star polyps, and other corals were closed or dead from him, he went nuts... do I have the same risk with this one? I'm just wondering what everyones experienced with theres... Any how they like them? This would be going into my 90 reef along with a

-Gold Rim Tang
-Yellow Tang
-Sixline Wrasse
-Maroon Clown
-2 Green Chromis
-Cleaner Wrasse
-Peppermint Shrimp
-Snowflake Eel,

Any miscompatibility there? Let me know please by tonite as I want to go there tomorrow, and get him into my QT before he gets real bad disease like the other fish there, right now he looks real good as they just got him in and hes cheap

Thanks

stagcrazy · 01/07/2009, 10:27 PM

you have more of a risk with this one they will devour any zoos or lps in your tank my friend had a juvinile and it tore up his zoos in days oh yeah when they get big there yellow stripes fade and they are preety ugly imo.

stagcrazy · 01/07/2009, 10:29 PM

btw how are u doing with the goldrim tang.how long have u had him. oh yeah the angel will outgrow your 90 gallon quickly the grow quite large.

Red Firefish · 01/07/2009, 10:30 PM

Angels aren't reef safe. At all. Sometimes people get away with keeping them in a reef, but it's always a possibility for them to eat corals. I've known hobbyists who kept them, even for a year or more, only to have them decide to eat corals. And as your Eibl's angel showed you, they don't screw around once they make that decision.

The angel at your local store may be the grey angel (Pomacanthus arcuatus) or cortez angel (P. zonipectus)- they look almost identical as juveniles. As a species, french angels can be a bit belligerent, and eventually will outgrow your 90 gallon. Though ideally, so will your two tangs and snowflake eel . And your eel has the ability to gulp down your peppermint shrimp, but you probably know that.

At any rate, my best and most conservative advice is to pass on the angel. Buying it "before it gets sick" doesn't make much sense to me, as that means catching and moving it several times in rapid succession. Plus, he's already exposed to whatever disease his tankmates are showing. And it honestly also doesn't sound like a great fit for your tank.

Knowing that most people would probably go for it anyway, I'd also advise feeding it as diverse a diet as possible and not adding any other Pomacanthus angels in with it. Good luck!

Vapour1ze · 01/07/2009, 10:34 PM

lol, sweet well thanks for the info... yes they weren't sure on the exact eathier, but i might pass.. =/

Vapour1ze · 01/07/2009, 10:36 PM

btw the gold rim is awesome I've had him for probably a month now, he wasn't in the best shape when I got him, but got him for only 30 bucks, which I thought was a good deal, now he is 100% clear, and my favorite fish

I love him.

Toddrtrex · 01/07/2009, 10:36 PM

Unless you are going to be getting a bigger tank tomorrow (( and I mean BIG )) stay away from it (( even if it turns out to be a Cortez, or grey, all three get way too big for a 90 )).

And to be honest, with what you currently have in your tank, I don't think you should be considering any more fish.

Vapour1ze · 01/07/2009, 10:41 PM

Haha, it really isn't that packed in there, the gold rim gets to be what 8" yellows about the same but I've never seen any very big yellows,,, those are my 2 biggest fish, and right now there both about 4 or 5 =/ I don't think its too bad right now. But thats my opinion, I wanted to do at least one more fish,

Toddrtrex · 01/07/2009, 10:43 PM

I had (( key word being had )) both a gold rim and a yellow in my 75 years okay, as they both got larger they fought a lot more, and realized that a 4 foot tank just isn't big enough for them.

But, it is your tank, and you can do what you want.

mikearoni · 01/07/2009, 10:56 PM

had one and he had to go. not only would he nip at the corals but he was a bully. I got him as an adult though.

Vapour1ze · 01/08/2009, 04:21 AM

i c, well im deciding against it, i think im going to go with a mandarin.

fltt · 01/08/2009, 04:26 AM

Mine started out like that 4 years ago now huge.

01/07/2009, 10:01 PM	#1
Vapour1ze I'm an Addict. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Yorkville, IL Posts: 3,036	French Angel.... (ATTN: Owners) One of my LFS has one for like 30 bucks, its in this stage... However they told me on the invoice it wasn't a French Angel, and they are assuming it isn't a french angel. I really want to buy this for my reef, any am assuming one day it turns into the bottom link below... http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/angelfish/frenchangel/ However!, the last angel I had, Eibli Angel, was a loser, I hated him. I'm sorry but I did, literally in 2 days, all of my zoanthids and green star polyps, and other corals were closed or dead from him, he went nuts... do I have the same risk with this one? I'm just wondering what everyones experienced with theres... Any how they like them? This would be going into my 90 reef along with a -Gold Rim Tang -Yellow Tang -Sixline Wrasse -Maroon Clown -2 Green Chromis -Cleaner Wrasse -Peppermint Shrimp -Snowflake Eel, Any miscompatibility there? Let me know please by tonite as I want to go there tomorrow, and get him into my QT before he gets real bad disease like the other fish there, right now he looks real good as they just got him in and hes cheap Thanks __________________ 93 Reef \| 220 Reef \| Basement Fish Life Support Room \| Empty Savings Account Last edited by Vapour1ze; 01/07/2009 at 10:26 PM.

01/07/2009, 10:34 PM	#5
Vapour1ze I'm an Addict. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Yorkville, IL Posts: 3,036	lol, sweet well thanks for the info... yes they weren't sure on the exact eathier, but i might pass.. =/ __________________ 93 Reef \| 220 Reef \| Basement Fish Life Support Room \| Empty Savings Account

01/07/2009, 10:36 PM	#6
Vapour1ze I'm an Addict. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Yorkville, IL Posts: 3,036	btw the gold rim is awesome I've had him for probably a month now, he wasn't in the best shape when I got him, but got him for only 30 bucks, which I thought was a good deal, now he is 100% clear, and my favorite fish I love him. __________________ 93 Reef \| 220 Reef \| Basement Fish Life Support Room \| Empty Savings Account

01/07/2009, 10:36 PM	#7
Toddrtrex Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 23,162	Unless you are going to be getting a bigger tank tomorrow (( and I mean BIG )) stay away from it (( even if it turns out to be a Cortez, or grey, all three get way too big for a 90 )). And to be honest, with what you currently have in your tank, I don't think you should be considering any more fish. __________________ Click my name and then "visit toddrtrex's homepage" for tank pictures Current Tank Info: 210g reef and 65g reef

01/07/2009, 10:41 PM	#8
Vapour1ze I'm an Addict. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Yorkville, IL Posts: 3,036	Haha, it really isn't that packed in there, the gold rim gets to be what 8" yellows about the same but I've never seen any very big yellows,,, those are my 2 biggest fish, and right now there both about 4 or 5 =/ I don't think its too bad right now. But thats my opinion, I wanted to do at least one more fish, __________________ 93 Reef \| 220 Reef \| Basement Fish Life Support Room \| Empty Savings Account

01/07/2009, 10:27 PM	#2
stagcrazy Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: hialeah Posts: 1,493	you have more of a risk with this one they will devour any zoos or lps in your tank my friend had a juvinile and it tore up his zoos in days oh yeah when they get big there yellow stripes fade and they are preety ugly imo.

01/07/2009, 10:29 PM	#3
stagcrazy Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: hialeah Posts: 1,493	btw how are u doing with the goldrim tang.how long have u had him. oh yeah the angel will outgrow your 90 gallon quickly the grow quite large.

01/07/2009, 10:30 PM	#4
Red Firefish Registered Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: AZ Posts: 64	Angels aren't reef safe. At all. Sometimes people get away with keeping them in a reef, but it's always a possibility for them to eat corals. I've known hobbyists who kept them, even for a year or more, only to have them decide to eat corals. And as your Eibl's angel showed you, they don't screw around once they make that decision. The angel at your local store may be the grey angel (Pomacanthus arcuatus) or cortez angel (P. zonipectus)- they look almost identical as juveniles. As a species, french angels can be a bit belligerent, and eventually will outgrow your 90 gallon. Though ideally, so will your two tangs and snowflake eel . And your eel has the ability to gulp down your peppermint shrimp, but you probably know that. At any rate, my best and most conservative advice is to pass on the angel. Buying it "before it gets sick" doesn't make much sense to me, as that means catching and moving it several times in rapid succession. Plus, he's already exposed to whatever disease his tankmates are showing. And it honestly also doesn't sound like a great fit for your tank. Knowing that most people would probably go for it anyway, I'd also advise feeding it as diverse a diet as possible and not adding any other Pomacanthus angels in with it. Good luck!

01/07/2009, 10:43 PM	#9
Toddrtrex Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 23,162	I had (( key word being had )) both a gold rim and a yellow in my 75 years okay, as they both got larger they fought a lot more, and realized that a 4 foot tank just isn't big enough for them. But, it is your tank, and you can do what you want. __________________ Click my name and then "visit toddrtrex's homepage" for tank pictures Current Tank Info: 210g reef and 65g reef

01/07/2009, 10:56 PM	#10
mikearoni Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 443	had one and he had to go. not only would he nip at the corals but he was a bully. I got him as an adult though.

01/08/2009, 04:21 AM	#11
Vapour1ze I'm an Addict. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Yorkville, IL Posts: 3,036	i c, well im deciding against it, i think im going to go with a mandarin. __________________ 93 Reef \| 220 Reef \| Basement Fish Life Support Room \| Empty Savings Account

01/08/2009, 04:26 AM	#12
fltt Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Derby, Ct. Posts: 901	Mine started out like that 4 years ago now huge. __________________ "Hardwork Beats Talent When Talent Dosen't Work Hard" Current Tank Info: 20g Nano Reef & 210g Fowlr