OT Tressel getting some heat fair or foul

[Briney Dave]

One of the local papers ran a story the other day that was not at all that kind to Coach T. Can't win the big one, record against the rest of the big Ten doesn 't mean anything anymore

is it fair to hit the big dog like that

is it ok to over look the 100-1 record against Michigan (not sure if that is exactly right but has to be pretty close now)

Is the MAC stealing that one or two guys that would put the Bucks over the top
and if so is that Tress's fault too???

Where do you stand

[porky]

I'd like to see the article, got a link?
Dave you know I've never been a fan of "Tressel Ball". Love the man but hate his style of play. Keeping it close by playing mistake free ball and kicking a field goal @ the end, is not Big Time College Football. It's boring, gutless, unispiring football and I don't like it!
Now as a figure head I think he's GREAT. Great for OSU, great for the community a real PR guy for the program. And no OSU coach has done more to shake the curse of the wolverweenies than Tress.
I just think it may be time to loosen the reins a bit and hand over some of the day to day operations to suborindates. Especially the offense.
To me Tressel is not above reproach... the way he handeled Todd Beockman last year was a slap in the face to 6th year senior who had given the University everything they asked of him.
Okay so now he's got his guy @ QB. Do you really think that Pryor will be all that he could be, under coach Tressel?

[Briney Dave]

It was in the Sandusky Register, I have never been on their site to know if they archive or not.

I said all along that it was a mistake to take Todd so far out of the game plan when we could have still been a contending team.

I like his style for the first half over all, but you can't be to conservative in this day and age.

It works fine against low scoring big ten teams but not against a team that will get 30 even going against a good defense.

We just can't win scoring 15-20 against USC, LSU, Florida, or OU

What do you think of the letter day kids that committed here

[Genetics]

I'm hoping this year Tressel changes it up a bit. I like that he can consistently win in the Big 10 but you're right if we want to win National tittles and not be #2 (which I hear is the first loser position these days) we need some new riskier plays.

[porky]

I'm stoked about the commitments.
Top 4 according to most publications.
Running Back Jamal Berry from FL looks like he could be the next real deal running back. And I've heard good things about Chris Carter's son, sounds like he could be the next well... Chris Carter.
But I was disappointed that we didn't land more top linemen, where we need the most help!

[Briney Dave]

Linemen tend to hide better than you think a 330 lb kid that kills pizza buffets could.

Home grown kids should be fine here. I know we need help but that is a postion you have to grow into. I don't think many guys that are great at the High School level pan out at the next. There are exceptions of course, and maybe centers in general look good at both levels but not left tackles in my book.

case in point: I had a kid that was 6'6" 340 in 8th grade!! dominated plain and simple:
by varsity time rarely made the field. Not intense enough to handle guys more his size and speed or even guys 2/3 his size LOL
point is: a lot of linemen are used to being the big dog do great but can't handle it when they get into a pit with a bunch of other guys about the same size and strength.

[porky]

That's a good point. I guess that's why linemen aren't as highly touted out of H.S.

[jhornik]

I think it's about time people started putting some heat on Tressel! True he is a great coach, but he needs to loosen up a little and not play so conservative, especially against other conferences. I think once Rich Rodriguez starts getting his recruiting class in Tressel is going to be in for a shock. A big reason he can't get wins in the other conferences is the spread offense and like I said he'd better get that problem under control quick before Rich Rodriguez has his players and system in place.

[CODYdog1]

I am not defending Tressel Ball, however I wonder if he woule be getting the same heat if he had beat Texas. Two obvious plays could have went our way that would have ended the game. The defensive lineman that almost had the interception, or if the tackle was made 6 inches sooner. OSU wins this game, and I think this discussion all goes away.

Hopefully at some point we realize that kicking field goals is not always going to win games like it did in 2002.

The problem I have is that OSU is losing big games, but at the same time most other teams are losing small games where they are heavely favored including Florida, USC, Texas, and Oklahoma.

Again - not defending it, because it could be worse, but at the same time we need to get some big wins in the coming years.

OSU needs a win against USC!

Any way - GO BUCKS!

[Briney Dave]

The spread is over rated now that everyone is doing it. If you play good coverage football, spread teams struggle.
Will they still score? Of course but when they need to; they can not tee it up and run.

case in point: Cards Steelers
Steelers are not high flying spread'em out but rather ball control and play D.
It can and should be done against the spread!
We just have to keep tweeking on the D secondary and keep getting pressure DEs

the biggest difference is that we do need to be able to air it out and score one quick strike TD per game. Consistantly do that and the rest of the game can still be conservative, don't turn it over, and eat the clock

=Bucks win

[Eggs]

Personally, I think the problem on offense is the inconsistent and underperforming offensive line play, which is a direct result of line coach Jim Bollman not getting the job done.
The other problem is with Heacock as the D coordinator. Great plan going into the Texas game, but how many times has he failed to make adjustments during the game against good teams.
Two weak areas on the coaching staff will continue to cause problems against good teams. 2-6 record against Top 10 teams over the last three years.

[dendronepthya]

Hate to say it, but the Big Ten is a fraud. Every year someone gets picked off by a Mac team and it's almost a shoe-in that the entire conference will lose its bowl games. The last part is a bit of hyperbole, but at the end of the past several seasons I get the feeling that whatever Big Ten team is playing they are about to get blown out.

With the exception of the Florida v. OSU national championship game where... OSU got blown out.

[Briney Dave]

Penn State and OSU are very darn good football teams, a couple others are hit and miss. A year or two from now Michigan will be back to form (honesty not holding my breath with the guy they have right now, but that is another story)
after than the rest of the league has stopped trying.

Some of the teams would not have a chance to win their half of the MAC much less the league out right.

Bottom line the Bucks can't control how good the rest of the league is, we have to win the SEC and Big 12 games to keep national ranking.

If we are not careful we could turn into a Utah like situation where we win out and barely break the top ten as an after thought

What needs to be done is far from clear, getting rid of Tressel will not help us right now at all. Maybe the comments about some of the positon coachs and coordinators need to be looked at much more closely. Finding a couple young, high energy guys that will pressure T into opening up at times and can do a better job keeping the kids up and adjusted in-game.

[Eggs]

I agree that getting rid of Tressel is not the answer, and maybe a couple of high energy coaches would help. Look what Pat Fitzgerald did for Northwestern, he's a very enthusiastic, passionate coach. They probably won't compete for a national title, but they've lifted themselves out of the bottom half of the Big Ten.
The Big Ten is in a down cycle right now, but I don't believe that will last - If/when UM and Wisconsin turn around.

[Briney Dave]

I am not as optomistic about a Big Ten up swing. I think it would take a couple of the schools that have been in the dumps for a while to pull themselves up and really make some noise outside the league.

where is Iowa, Minn, Mich State. Indiana is always been bad Northwestern gets a pass because you actually have to go to class to graduate there
but the rest of these bums LOL

part of the whole deal is also PR even in loosing you have to "look" better than these guys are presenting themselves.

[porky]

Yeah the league is down, has been for a few years, but O State can't do anything about that, other than consistently win those games, which they have been doing.
No getting rid of Tressel is NOT the answer. That's just crazy talk. I think Tress is a great head coach, he has all the intangibles. But where we part ways is the offense; just too predictable and conservative. He can have the defense but just let someone else run the Offense. Please!

[dendronepthya]

OSU's problem isn't a weak conference, it is losing bowl games alongside weak conference-mates that also lose their bowl games. It sends the message that OSU is no good and all their wins are meaningless because nobody they beat can win a bowl game either. Big Ten is definitely in one of those down cycles.