Ick Cure Hospital Tank What Solution Works

Freddie57 · 02/17/2009, 12:50 PM

MY TANG OF COURSE HAS COME UP WITH A SEVERE CASE OF ICK

WILL IT FAIR WELL WITH COPPER OR SHOULD I TRY HYPO TREATMENT i DO HAVE A SEPERATE TANK BUT IS SMALL

frenchie · 02/17/2009, 12:51 PM

what kind of tang

Letmegrow · 02/17/2009, 12:56 PM

He has a Powder Brown.

How small is your Hospital ??

I would almost say give it to someone already running a Hospital tank.

They aren't something you can set up on the fly.

If it is "Severe" you might have Oodinium, which is worse news than Ich.

Good luck and consider it lesson learned.

frenchie · 02/17/2009, 12:59 PM

never had any luck with powder brown or powder blue's or any other in that family of tangs. Easy tangs like yellow or yellow eyed kole tang, scopas tang, and bristle tooth tangs seem to be easy type of tang to care for. Plus wouldn't add more than 1 fish at a time and wait 8 weeks before you add another so your tank can adjust to new bioload.

Freddie57 · 02/17/2009, 01:00 PM

I WOULD GIVE IT TO SOMEONE BUT DONT WANT TO GIVE THEM A SICK FISH

TANK HAS BEEN UP AND RUNNING FOR A WEEK 20H EVERYTHING IS RUNNING WITHIN PARAMETERS

Letmegrow · 02/17/2009, 01:04 PM

You can try it.

I didn't say give someone a sick fish for a display.
I said cleary give the fish to someone who is running a hospital tank already.

If you state the actual factual about your hospital tank then go ahead with it. Is your Hospital tank full strength or hypo ?

if it's not hypo already you can't just lower the salinity in an instant. You will suffer bacteria loss. Which is why I am saying this all can't be done immediately.

Freddie57 · 02/17/2009, 01:11 PM

WELL THE SALINITY IS NOT SETUP FOR HYPO IT IS A 1.025 SAME AS DISPLAY i WAS REALLY CONSIDERING COPPER BUT WANTED TO KNOW ANY SPECIFICS ON IT DAMAGES, REPROCUTIONS ETC... AND IF THERE WAS ANYTHING SPECIAL I HAD TO DO AFTER TREATMENT

Paul B · 02/17/2009, 01:13 PM

I would use a combination (in the same medication) copper and formulin. It will work in a few days where as hypo will take much longer and tangs do not do well in small tanks.

logiktest · 02/17/2009, 01:15 PM

CAPS LOCK, LAZERS!

THIS LOOKS LIKE YOUR SHOUTING.

This looks like your whispering.

Letmegrow · 02/17/2009, 01:15 PM

I would say visit Jan at Clayton Pet Emporium or call her up.
She has the most repeated successful Hypo+Copper systems in STL.

Copper is not to be feared.
You can put any item in a fools hand and it can become dangerous.

Fallow the instructions, More isn't better. Don't use anything super strength. TIME is your ally, not force or will.

Freddie57 · 02/17/2009, 01:16 PM

WELL I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO HEAR ME LOL

Letmegrow · 02/17/2009, 01:17 PM

If you use something with Formulin make sure the water is WELL oxygenated. That comes from my own personal experiance and fault.

Letmegrow · 02/17/2009, 01:18 PM

LOUD AND CLEAR 10-4 !

Freddie57 · 02/17/2009, 01:22 PM

jan said to use a triple dose of coral vital

Letmegrow · 02/17/2009, 01:25 PM

Well I agree with her other methods, I don't agree with that.

I don't know where that leaves you. Either way good luck.

Freddie57 · 02/17/2009, 01:30 PM

I am going for the copper I can measure precicly (but i cant spell)and i will stay conservative when doing so

Letmegrow · 02/17/2009, 01:32 PM

Take your carbon out !
Have 50 gallons of aerated saltwater ready to go for water changes. If you have lights on the tank only keep them on for 4-5 hours max.

Freddie57 · 02/17/2009, 01:34 PM

no lights just a hob filter and is sitting on the kitchen table

logiktest · 02/17/2009, 01:38 PM

If you use copper, I hope you don't plan to use that 20H tank as a reef ever again... or be ready for some majorly major tank cleaning.

Freddie57 · 02/17/2009, 01:45 PM

nope was an old tank that i had around from freshwater days, what does the copper do to a tank tho

yasmar01 · 02/17/2009, 01:49 PM

i have had much better luck with hypo than with formalin. if the fish is already showing advanced signs of ich then 9 out of ten the formalin and or copper is going to have an adverse affect on an already weakened fish. as were hypo increases the metabolism and makes it easer for the fish to heal. and makes them eat much better. it might take longer but it is over all better for the fish. copper and formaldehyde arent good for the fish in the long run. it is known to affect there immune system permanently.

Letmegrow · 02/17/2009, 01:51 PM

"and formaldehyde arent good for the fish in the long run."

My experiance too. Nasty stuff.

breutus · 02/17/2009, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lasers57
what does the copper do to a tank tho

makes it uninhabitable for saltwater inverts and corals

As far as the fish goes I would go with copper as a fish like this does not do well in a stressful environment and hypo is hard on them and being in a small tank is even worse

logiktest · 02/17/2009, 01:58 PM

Well as you know copper is not reef safe... Corals/inverts are completely intolerant of it.

Copper coats everything it touches, and if you got it on rocks or sand they would be worthless or only good for a fish only tank as it would be next to impossible to clean them. It can be cleaned out of a glass tank with a whole lot of work. I mean a whole LOT of work. I'm not positive, but I don't think it can be cleaned completely from acrylic at all.

It's generally easy to spot a tank that has been treated with copper/formalin/methylene. The silicone will be discolored. Again, it can be cleaned, but you don't want that pain-in-the...

logiktest · 02/17/2009, 02:00 PM

Wow, I type slow. Three other people already covered it.

02/17/2009, 12:50 PM	#1
Freddie57 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Caseyville Il Posts: 2,169	Ick Cure Hospital Tank What Solution Works MY TANG OF COURSE HAS COME UP WITH A SEVERE CASE OF ICK WILL IT FAIR WELL WITH COPPER OR SHOULD I TRY HYPO TREATMENT i DO HAVE A SEPERATE TANK BUT IS SMALL

02/17/2009, 12:51 PM	#2
frenchie Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,730	what kind of tang __________________ Darrick slash member 24 gallon nano cube, LED lights, zoanthids, shrooms Current Tank Info: 93 gallon cube, ecotech LED, swc 160 cone skimmer, lots of softies

02/17/2009, 12:56 PM	#3
Letmegrow Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Hill Posts: 4,740	He has a Powder Brown. How small is your Hospital ?? I would almost say give it to someone already running a Hospital tank. They aren't something you can set up on the fly. If it is "Severe" you might have Oodinium, which is worse news than Ich. Good luck and consider it lesson learned. __________________ I'll be just fine pretending I'm not. Understand, Contempt born of clear perception is a birthright to those who channel it toward progression.

02/17/2009, 12:59 PM	#4
frenchie Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,730	never had any luck with powder brown or powder blue's or any other in that family of tangs. Easy tangs like yellow or yellow eyed kole tang, scopas tang, and bristle tooth tangs seem to be easy type of tang to care for. Plus wouldn't add more than 1 fish at a time and wait 8 weeks before you add another so your tank can adjust to new bioload. __________________ Darrick slash member 24 gallon nano cube, LED lights, zoanthids, shrooms Current Tank Info: 93 gallon cube, ecotech LED, swc 160 cone skimmer, lots of softies

02/17/2009, 01:04 PM	#6
Letmegrow Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Hill Posts: 4,740	You can try it. I didn't say give someone a sick fish for a display. I said cleary give the fish to someone who is running a hospital tank already. If you state the actual factual about your hospital tank then go ahead with it. Is your Hospital tank full strength or hypo ? if it's not hypo already you can't just lower the salinity in an instant. You will suffer bacteria loss. Which is why I am saying this all can't be done immediately. __________________ I'll be just fine pretending I'm not. Understand, Contempt born of clear perception is a birthright to those who channel it toward progression.

02/17/2009, 01:00 PM	#5
Freddie57 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Caseyville Il Posts: 2,169	I WOULD GIVE IT TO SOMEONE BUT DONT WANT TO GIVE THEM A SICK FISH TANK HAS BEEN UP AND RUNNING FOR A WEEK 20H EVERYTHING IS RUNNING WITHIN PARAMETERS

02/17/2009, 01:11 PM	#7
Freddie57 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Caseyville Il Posts: 2,169	WELL THE SALINITY IS NOT SETUP FOR HYPO IT IS A 1.025 SAME AS DISPLAY i WAS REALLY CONSIDERING COPPER BUT WANTED TO KNOW ANY SPECIFICS ON IT DAMAGES, REPROCUTIONS ETC... AND IF THERE WAS ANYTHING SPECIAL I HAD TO DO AFTER TREATMENT

02/17/2009, 01:13 PM	#8
Paul B Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 15,549	I would use a combination (in the same medication) copper and formulin. It will work in a few days where as hypo will take much longer and tangs do not do well in small tanks. __________________ I used to get shocked when I put my hand in my tank. Then the electric eel went dead. Current Tank Info: 100 gal reef set up in 1971

02/17/2009, 01:15 PM	#9
logiktest Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Zone 5 Posts: 4,071	CAPS LOCK, LAZERS! THIS LOOKS LIKE YOUR SHOUTING. This looks like your whispering. __________________ Mike Have you ever looked around at the group of people you are in and thought, "If the Zombie Apocalypse happens right now, this is what I have to work with." Current Tank Info: 140.5gal. goldfish bowl

02/17/2009, 01:16 PM	#11
Freddie57 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Caseyville Il Posts: 2,169	WELL I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO HEAR ME LOL

02/17/2009, 01:17 PM	#12
Letmegrow Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Hill Posts: 4,740	If you use something with Formulin make sure the water is WELL oxygenated. That comes from my own personal experiance and fault. __________________ I'll be just fine pretending I'm not. Understand, Contempt born of clear perception is a birthright to those who channel it toward progression.

02/17/2009, 01:18 PM	#13
Letmegrow Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Hill Posts: 4,740	LOUD AND CLEAR 10-4 ! __________________ I'll be just fine pretending I'm not. Understand, Contempt born of clear perception is a birthright to those who channel it toward progression.

02/17/2009, 01:22 PM	#14
Freddie57 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Caseyville Il Posts: 2,169	jan said to use a triple dose of coral vital

02/17/2009, 01:25 PM	#15
Letmegrow Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Hill Posts: 4,740	Well I agree with her other methods, I don't agree with that. I don't know where that leaves you. Either way good luck. __________________ I'll be just fine pretending I'm not. Understand, Contempt born of clear perception is a birthright to those who channel it toward progression.

02/17/2009, 01:30 PM	#16
Freddie57 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Caseyville Il Posts: 2,169	I am going for the copper I can measure precicly (but i cant spell)and i will stay conservative when doing so

02/17/2009, 01:32 PM	#17
Letmegrow Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Hill Posts: 4,740	Take your carbon out ! Have 50 gallons of aerated saltwater ready to go for water changes. If you have lights on the tank only keep them on for 4-5 hours max. __________________ I'll be just fine pretending I'm not. Understand, Contempt born of clear perception is a birthright to those who channel it toward progression.

02/17/2009, 01:34 PM	#18
Freddie57 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Caseyville Il Posts: 2,169	no lights just a hob filter and is sitting on the kitchen table

02/17/2009, 01:38 PM	#19
logiktest Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Zone 5 Posts: 4,071	If you use copper, I hope you don't plan to use that 20H tank as a reef ever again... or be ready for some majorly major tank cleaning. __________________ Mike Have you ever looked around at the group of people you are in and thought, "If the Zombie Apocalypse happens right now, this is what I have to work with." Current Tank Info: 140.5gal. goldfish bowl

02/17/2009, 01:45 PM	#20
Freddie57 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Caseyville Il Posts: 2,169	nope was an old tank that i had around from freshwater days, what does the copper do to a tank tho

02/17/2009, 01:49 PM	#21
yasmar01 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: brookfield,ct Posts: 345	i have had much better luck with hypo than with formalin. if the fish is already showing advanced signs of ich then 9 out of ten the formalin and or copper is going to have an adverse affect on an already weakened fish. as were hypo increases the metabolism and makes it easer for the fish to heal. and makes them eat much better. it might take longer but it is over all better for the fish. copper and formaldehyde arent good for the fish in the long run. it is known to affect there immune system permanently.

02/17/2009, 01:51 PM	#22
Letmegrow Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Hill Posts: 4,740	"and formaldehyde arent good for the fish in the long run." My experiance too. Nasty stuff. __________________ I'll be just fine pretending I'm not. Understand, Contempt born of clear perception is a birthright to those who channel it toward progression.

02/17/2009, 01:58 PM	#24
logiktest Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Zone 5 Posts: 4,071	Well as you know copper is not reef safe... Corals/inverts are completely intolerant of it. Copper coats everything it touches, and if you got it on rocks or sand they would be worthless or only good for a fish only tank as it would be next to impossible to clean them. It can be cleaned out of a glass tank with a whole lot of work. I mean a whole LOT of work. I'm not positive, but I don't think it can be cleaned completely from acrylic at all. It's generally easy to spot a tank that has been treated with copper/formalin/methylene. The silicone will be discolored. Again, it can be cleaned, but you don't want that pain-in-the... __________________ Mike Have you ever looked around at the group of people you are in and thought, "If the Zombie Apocalypse happens right now, this is what I have to work with." Current Tank Info: 140.5gal. goldfish bowl

02/17/2009, 02:00 PM	#25
logiktest Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Zone 5 Posts: 4,071	Wow, I type slow. Three other people already covered it. __________________ Mike Have you ever looked around at the group of people you are in and thought, "If the Zombie Apocalypse happens right now, this is what I have to work with." Current Tank Info: 140.5gal. goldfish bowl