Rock from the ocean ?????

ajolie30 · 04/23/2009, 06:45 PM

Hi I am in Miami Florida on vacation and I got some rock out of the water it looks just like the base rock I recently purchased from marco rock can I bring this rock home and use it???

Sisterlimonpot · 04/23/2009, 07:03 PM

Are you planning on cooking the rock before you place it in the tank or are you planning on just sticking it in your tank?

KarlBob · 04/23/2009, 07:08 PM

I've read that individuals can take certain amounts of soft coral/gorgonians/mushrooms from Florida waters for personal use, but I don't recall seeing that you can remove live rock without a permit. In this case you probably don't need to look over your shoulder, but I'd look up the rules before you bring home any more rock.

reefman30 · 04/23/2009, 07:40 PM

That is illegal to do.

http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Sa...harvestmls.htm

ajolie30 · 04/23/2009, 07:49 PM

The rock is drying out cause I can't take it home submerged I planned on rinsing it well and then placing it on my tank... My tank is currently cycling as of right now just put 250lbs of dry rock and a few pieces of actual live rock.. What do u meAn by cooking it?????

reefman30 · 04/23/2009, 07:54 PM

You have 250lbs already?? Sounds like you do not need anymore. Go put it back since it is illegal to take it in the first place.

ajolie30 · 04/23/2009, 08:02 PM

It's actually baseball size rock I was gonna use in my sump just a small bag

reefman30 · 04/23/2009, 08:13 PM

It does not matter the size of the rock it is still illegal.

DouglasTiede · 04/23/2009, 09:39 PM

wonder if it is illegal to collect shells on the beach in Florida too. Geeze what a tough state!

Sisterlimonpot · 04/23/2009, 09:47 PM

Regardless of the legality, he has it now and there's no reason to put it back in the ocean. Toss it in your sump and you'll be fine.

ed102475 · 04/23/2009, 09:48 PM

Quote:

That is illegal to do.

+1, Your helping kill our FL. Reefs. Funny how tourists come to Fl. dive in our waters and think they can take/kill anything they want.

Sisterlimonpot · 04/23/2009, 10:05 PM

according to the link posted above you are allowed to harvest a small portion. So it's legal?

ed102475 · 04/23/2009, 10:07 PM

show me that?! I see this.

Prohibited Species: All harvest is prohibited of the following species:

Live rock, Bahama starfish (Oreaster reticulatis),
longspine urchin (Diadema antillarum),
Venus sea fan (Gorgonia flabellum),
common sea fan (Gorgonia ventalina),
any hard or stony coral (Order Scleractinia), or
any fire coral (Genus Millepora).

blakemeadows · 04/23/2009, 10:32 PM

wouldn't it be worse to reintroduce it back into the wild now after being mixed with w/e is in his aquarium?

PRDubois · 04/23/2009, 10:32 PM

Did you get it diving on a reef or did you stub your toe on it walking thru the surf. If you pick a small piece out of the surf I see no difference then a kid picking up a shell.

If you got it diving then you probally disturbed something and are breaking the law.

Sisterlimonpot · 04/23/2009, 10:42 PM

I don't think he introduced it to his tank yet. However it's out now and I wouldn't worry about throwing it back in the ocean. Those that read this thread, be warned that it's illegal to harvest LR from Florida coasts.

H.Veras · 04/23/2009, 11:01 PM

heheh today when i got my LR's; my bother/in-law was why did you pay so much on LR's? you should went down to the beach and get LR from there; for free. hahhah good to know that is illegal...

ajolie30 · 04/24/2009, 07:05 AM

good mourning everyone how are u this he is actually a she LOL it's ok..... Anywho I didn't dive for the rock it was small pieces in the water as ur walking into the ocean in the very beginning where the water crashes on the beach... I would never dive and take anything from a reef or deep waters the rock was ankle deep

Gooch79 · 04/24/2009, 09:16 AM

Everything is illegal these days. Probably the only reason for that law is to stop large scale commercial harvesting of Florida live rock, not to stop a tourist from a small souvenir. People need to stop getting their panties in a bunch. I lived in Florida for many years and the locals are about as equally destructive to their environments as the tourists are.

Uncle Salty 05 · 04/24/2009, 10:00 AM

Some of the thinking I see above is the reason for HHR669.
If the average person pays no attention to the law and shows no respect for our reefs etc. It takes measures like HHR669 to get the point across to some people.

fatdaddy · 04/24/2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by Gooch79
Everything is illegal these days.

One person is no big deal, but consider that millions visit FL every year. The law is there for a reason because before it was enacted the reefs were disappearing at an alarming rate.

That's why FL has permitted several aquaculturists to created cultured live rock. Here's one vendor:

http://www.tampabaysaltwater.com/

If you don't think that FL reefs, beaches, and other aquatic systems aren't under severe pressure, you're kidding yourself.

Gooch79 · 04/24/2009, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fatdaddy
One person is no big deal, but consider that millions visit FL every year. The law is there for a reason because before it was enacted the reefs were disappearing at an alarming rate.

That's why FL has permitted several aquaculturists to created cultured live rock. Here's one vendor:

http://www.tampabaysaltwater.com/

If you don't think that FL reefs, beaches, and other aquatic systems aren't under severe pressure, you're kidding yourself.

They arent under pressure from a tourist taking a token rock they found at the beach...

People here jump on someone's back yelling "thats illegal!!!" when it's entirely overblown. Thats the main reason I posted to support the original poster. They wanted to know if anything bad would happen from putting a rock from the beach in their tank, not a stupid morality lesson about taking a rock from the beach.

Gooch79 · 04/24/2009, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Uncle Salty 05
Some of the thinking I see above is the reason for HHR669.
If the average person pays no attention to the law and shows no respect for our reefs etc. It takes measures like HHR669 to get the point across to some people.

I really don't see how a bill that will fail miserably is supposed to get the point across.... Also, Guam and Florida are apples and oranges. Again another case of mountain out of a molehill.

reefman30 · 04/24/2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by Gooch79
They arent under pressure from a tourist taking a token rock they found at the beach...

People here jump on someone's back yelling "thats illegal!!!" when it's entirely overblown. Thats the main reason I posted to support the original poster. They wanted to know if anything bad would happen from putting a rock from the beach in their tank, not a stupid morality lesson about taking a rock from the beach.

Something bad could happen. Since it is illegal they could get fined or arrested if caught.

Uncle Salty 05 · 04/24/2009, 11:58 AM

Gooch79 obviously just does not get it.
You have to draw the line somewhere, if you allow 1 guy to take one rock the next bonehead will think it's OK to take a wheelbarrow full.
That is why the fine is $500 per rock.

One guy taking one rock is not going to ruin anything, but millions taking whatever they please will, and fast.
No one was giving ajolie30 a hard time, they were merely answering the question she asked.
Put the rock in your tank ajolie30 it will not hurt anything here in Florida or in your tank, just don't go home and tell everyone it is open season on live rock on the Florida shores.
Unless it is someone you want to see in jail.

04/23/2009, 06:45 PM	#1
ajolie30 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: ct Posts: 300	Rock from the ocean ????? Hi I am in Miami Florida on vacation and I got some rock out of the water it looks just like the base rock I recently purchased from marco rock can I bring this rock home and use it???

04/23/2009, 07:03 PM	#2
Sisterlimonpot R.C. Fraternity President Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Litchfeild Park AZ Posts: 11,490 Blog Entries: 2	Are you planning on cooking the rock before you place it in the tank or are you planning on just sticking it in your tank? __________________ Jimmy MASVC President Dishes are done man! Current Tank Info: 300 in progress

04/23/2009, 07:08 PM	#3
KarlBob Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Laveen, AZ Posts: 2,309	I've read that individuals can take certain amounts of soft coral/gorgonians/mushrooms from Florida waters for personal use, but I don't recall seeing that you can remove live rock without a permit. In this case you probably don't need to look over your shoulder, but I'd look up the rules before you bring home any more rock. __________________ Later, KarlBob Current Tank Info: No tanks for now. Starting over in Austin sometime next year.

04/23/2009, 09:47 PM	#10
Sisterlimonpot R.C. Fraternity President Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Litchfeild Park AZ Posts: 11,490 Blog Entries: 2	Regardless of the legality, he has it now and there's no reason to put it back in the ocean. Toss it in your sump and you'll be fine. __________________ Jimmy MASVC President Dishes are done man! Current Tank Info: 300 in progress

04/23/2009, 10:05 PM	#12
Sisterlimonpot R.C. Fraternity President Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Litchfeild Park AZ Posts: 11,490 Blog Entries: 2	according to the link posted above you are allowed to harvest a small portion. So it's legal? __________________ Jimmy MASVC President Dishes are done man! Current Tank Info: 300 in progress

04/23/2009, 07:40 PM	#4
reefman30 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Midland, Texas Posts: 137	That is illegal to do. http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Sa...harvestmls.htm

04/23/2009, 07:49 PM	#5
ajolie30 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: ct Posts: 300	The rock is drying out cause I can't take it home submerged I planned on rinsing it well and then placing it on my tank... My tank is currently cycling as of right now just put 250lbs of dry rock and a few pieces of actual live rock.. What do u meAn by cooking it?????

04/23/2009, 07:54 PM	#6
reefman30 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Midland, Texas Posts: 137	You have 250lbs already?? Sounds like you do not need anymore. Go put it back since it is illegal to take it in the first place.

04/23/2009, 08:02 PM	#7
ajolie30 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: ct Posts: 300	It's actually baseball size rock I was gonna use in my sump just a small bag

04/23/2009, 08:13 PM	#8
reefman30 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Midland, Texas Posts: 137	It does not matter the size of the rock it is still illegal.

04/23/2009, 09:39 PM	#9
DouglasTiede Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kaukauna,WI Posts: 1,018	wonder if it is illegal to collect shells on the beach in Florida too. Geeze what a tough state!

04/23/2009, 10:07 PM	#13
ed102475 Reef Custodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: FL. Posts: 954	show me that?! I see this. Prohibited Species: All harvest is prohibited of the following species: Live rock, Bahama starfish (Oreaster reticulatis), longspine urchin (Diadema antillarum), Venus sea fan (Gorgonia flabellum), common sea fan (Gorgonia ventalina), any hard or stony coral (Order Scleractinia), or any fire coral (Genus Millepora). __________________ Stromalitic cyanobacteria!... Gather. An entire ecosystem contained in one infinitesimal speck.

04/23/2009, 10:32 PM	#14
blakemeadows Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: DFW, Texas Posts: 79	wouldn't it be worse to reintroduce it back into the wild now after being mixed with w/e is in his aquarium?

04/23/2009, 10:32 PM	#15
PRDubois Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chester, VA Posts: 3,626	Did you get it diving on a reef or did you stub your toe on it walking thru the surf. If you pick a small piece out of the surf I see no difference then a kid picking up a shell. If you got it diving then you probally disturbed something and are breaking the law. __________________ http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2534403 Current Tank Info: 225 gal Reef, 60 gal reef & 40b frag tank

04/23/2009, 10:42 PM	#16
Sisterlimonpot R.C. Fraternity President Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Litchfeild Park AZ Posts: 11,490 Blog Entries: 2	I don't think he introduced it to his tank yet. However it's out now and I wouldn't worry about throwing it back in the ocean. Those that read this thread, be warned that it's illegal to harvest LR from Florida coasts. __________________ Jimmy MASVC President Dishes are done man! Current Tank Info: 300 in progress

04/23/2009, 11:01 PM	#17
H.Veras Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: bay area, ca Posts: 1,024	heheh today when i got my LR's; my bother/in-law was why did you pay so much on LR's? you should went down to the beach and get LR from there; for free. hahhah good to know that is illegal... __________________ 90g tech series. Current Tank Info: 90g tech series

04/24/2009, 07:05 AM	#18
ajolie30 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: ct Posts: 300	good mourning everyone how are u this he is actually a she LOL it's ok..... Anywho I didn't dive for the rock it was small pieces in the water as ur walking into the ocean in the very beginning where the water crashes on the beach... I would never dive and take anything from a reef or deep waters the rock was ankle deep

04/24/2009, 09:16 AM	#19
Gooch79 Penguins Fan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seymour, CT Posts: 505	Everything is illegal these days. Probably the only reason for that law is to stop large scale commercial harvesting of Florida live rock, not to stop a tourist from a small souvenir. People need to stop getting their panties in a bunch. I lived in Florida for many years and the locals are about as equally destructive to their environments as the tourists are. __________________ Brett Current Tank Info: 90g Oceanic Tech softie tank with 40g sump/refug

04/24/2009, 10:00 AM	#20
Uncle Salty 05 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,799	Some of the thinking I see above is the reason for HHR669. If the average person pays no attention to the law and shows no respect for our reefs etc. It takes measures like HHR669 to get the point across to some people. __________________ In all that I endure, of one thing I am sure. Knowledge and reason, change like the season. A jester's promenade. - Kerry Livgren Current Tank Info: 180 gal reef tank with dual attached refugiums 20 long and 10 gallon. Plus 55 gallon True Percula breeding tank.

04/24/2009, 11:58 AM	#25
Uncle Salty 05 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,799	Gooch79 obviously just does not get it. You have to draw the line somewhere, if you allow 1 guy to take one rock the next bonehead will think it's OK to take a wheelbarrow full. That is why the fine is $500 per rock. One guy taking one rock is not going to ruin anything, but millions taking whatever they please will, and fast. No one was giving ajolie30 a hard time, they were merely answering the question she asked. Put the rock in your tank ajolie30 it will not hurt anything here in Florida or in your tank, just don't go home and tell everyone it is open season on live rock on the Florida shores. Unless it is someone you want to see in jail. __________________ In all that I endure, of one thing I am sure. Knowledge and reason, change like the season. A jester's promenade. - Kerry Livgren Current Tank Info: 180 gal reef tank with dual attached refugiums 20 long and 10 gallon. Plus 55 gallon True Percula breeding tank.