NO3 problem : try this

texc4 · 05/02/2009, 03:57 AM

Hello everybody,

I hope it helps you!

Take :
- 1 piece of tube ( 800 mm dia 100 mm )
- 2 cups
- 1 piece of large blue sponge ( for the bottom )
- 2 kg of zeolith ( use only 20/30mm )
- 1 Maxijet 250 ( or other but don't exceed 250 liters / h )
- add 2 ml/day of carbon source ( 25% vodka dilute in 75% RO Water )

The maxijet take the water at the bottom, the entry is protected by the blue sponge.

Start with one drop / sec. About 3 or 4 days, NO2 is very high. Don't touch to the efluent rate. The day 5 or 6, NO2 is 0 and NO3 is 0. I think it's the best way to start. You need only 7 days max to have NO3 = 0 at the effluent. It doesn't produce sulphur. It doesn't affect CA balancing.

I have 2 friends, they do the same reactor, the results are the same. I tried many things about, it's the best way !

Don't make full the reactor with zeolith : sulphur! Use 1/3 of volume of the reactor.

Enjoy !
Sorry for my english, I must learn so much

HighlandReefer · 05/02/2009, 04:55 AM

texc4,

That is one high-tech picture you have posted. If I were not in the hobby, I would think it is a picture of something found on the Space Shuttle.

texc4 · 05/02/2009, 05:18 AM

LOL

texc4 · 05/02/2009, 05:33 AM

So, I think I can now shut down my vodka dosing in my tank!
Inside the reactor, the water becomes cloudy after 10 or 15 days, it's normal.

HighlandReefer · 05/02/2009, 07:00 AM

Refresh my memory since I am not a Zeo user. What is the active ingredient in Zeolith?

texc4 · 05/02/2009, 07:37 AM

I use a zeolite base, just to the surface of colonization that is unbelievable. It's just a good zeolite. I hope that is the answer to your question.
I'm not using any additives except vodka to fuel this reactor.

tntneon · 05/02/2009, 08:07 AM

hello texc4 ,
looks very nice

so if i'm correct the maxi jet just circulates the water , but where
comes the aquarium water in ?
and the dripline(1 drip/s) is in the discharge line of that pump ?
do you have a drawing of it ?
I a very curious .....

greetingzz tntneon

texc4 · 05/02/2009, 08:16 AM

Hello!
I glue 2 tubes 4/6mm. One on the cup, the other on the ... I don't know how to say in english....
So with Google translate :I stuck a hose 4/6mm PVC cap on the top (entrance) and the other 4/6mm hose out of the pump, simply.
Hope it helps you

Don't move, I take a photo

this evening, now I will buy an acropora . But I will do a photo !

tntneon · 05/02/2009, 08:29 AM

i think i understand it now (je comprend

)

greetingzz tntneon

lanman3 · 05/02/2009, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HighlandReefer
texc4,

That is one high-tech picture you have posted. If I were not in the hobby, I would think it is a picture of something found on the Space Shuttle.

That IS the waste treatment plant on the space shuttle!!

bob

HighlandReefer · 05/02/2009, 12:06 PM

Hey Bob,

Where are your nitrates at now?

Origami2547 · 05/02/2009, 04:36 PM

Hi Bob. Hi Cliff.

Good to see you here, Bob.

So, Texc4, let me see if I got this straight. You're using Zeolite inside a recirculating reactor. The zeolite has a natural affinity for ammonium (NH4+) which helps to collect ammonia in the reactor. In addition, you've dosed the reactor with a couple of milliliters of vodka for several days to establish a bacterial colony on and in the zeolite. (Is that correct?) This helps to eventually establish some nitrate in the reactor.

Now, you've got a really slow flow going into and out of this reactor - 1 drop per second, or about 3 milliliters per minute. That sets up the reactor as an anaerobic zone in the long term, which promotes development of bacteria that convert nitrate to nitrogen gas.

Is that how this is supposed to be working?

I have three questions, if you don't mind.

1) You talked about dosing 2 ml of vodka per day into the reactor. Do you do this continuously, or do you stop after several days and let the system operate on its own. In other words, is it necessary to add the vodka to keep this system operating?

2) It looks like the intake side of the maxijet is drawing your effluent from the bottom of the reactor so the net flow in the reactor is input from the top cap and effluent from the pump. Is this right?

3) How long have you been running this new reactor?

texc4 · 05/02/2009, 05:34 PM

Hello!

1) You talked about dosing 2 ml of vodka per day into the reactor. Do you do this continuously, or do you stop after several days and let the system operate on its own. In other words, is it necessary to add the vodka to keep this system operating?

Yes I dose everyday 2 ml of mix carbon with RO Water. I think if the NO3 level is "not detectable", I must dose only 1 ml. The system seems start very fast when the level of NO3 is up to 5 mg/l.

2) It looks like the intake side of the maxijet is drawing your effluent from the bottom of the reactor so the net flow in the reactor is input from the top cap and effluent from the pump. Is this right?

I don't understand so I make a draw.

3) How long have you been running this new reactor?

This reactor is the third. The first I made with a friend has run 4 months. The problem with it was the H2S. There was to much zeolith in the chamber and the water circulation was bad. So we have made a second prototype. The circulation was OK, the circulation was reverse with this last and the effluent can't exceed 1 drop/sec, the pump was too big ( 1000 l/h ). With this last, you can dose 100% vodka when you have 10mg/l and more. With this setup, you can have almost 2 drops / sec. ( We want this treatment capacity ). I tried many zeo, the best result was with 20/30 mm.

tntneon · 05/03/2009, 03:38 AM

-hi texc4 ,

-Do you have to stop the reaktor every day to add the vodka ?
Can`t you just add the wodka in the display ?

greetingzz tntneon

GeoffM1968 · 05/03/2009, 07:32 AM

ZEOvit system description and protocol can be found here:

http://www.korallen-zucht.de/files/z...glish_1_03.pdf

This will describe what is being attempted using ZEOvit to drive done nutrients. Described above is one modification some people are trying.

I am tracking results with some of the system but not the ZEOvit as I have been reading a couple threads and not sold the ZEOvit will work in a marine environment as some argue the binding of ammonia is minimal at best in marine environment. Instead, some argue the results people are seeing in marine environment is from the ZEOvit acting as a good growth medium for beneficial bacteria colonies. I am testing theories now and will be adding a ZEOvit reactor to test it in near future.

You can follow along if you like at:
http://justmyreef.com/index.php/2009...zeovit-system/

Disclaimer: I am not a scientist, I do not have a control tank, and your results may very. Many have had great success with full ZEOvit system in use. I am simply trying to debunk what others have told me as I have not found any scientific evidence for the marine ammonia argument not binding.

GeoffM1968 · 05/03/2009, 07:46 AM

Some other threads you may want to check out:

VSV vs ZEOstart2 -- http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...readid=1623821

Which bacterial method is best for SPS? -- http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...ghlight=ZEOvit

texc4 · 05/03/2009, 11:04 AM

Hello,

I don't speak about zeovit method, just use zeolith, it's not the same thing. Zeovit method is a method. Here I use a mineral and a carbon source.
The Zeovit Protocol is a complete protocol. Here I use the zeolite as a media for bacteria. The zeolite is one of the more porous mineral in the world.

texc4 · 05/03/2009, 11:36 AM

"-hi texc4 ,

-Do you have to stop the reaktor every day to add the vodka ?
Can`t you just add the wodka in the display ?"

hi,

I never stop the reactor. You must not open the reactor when started. At the "IN" tube with a T, you can add carbon source. You have to be careful : do not add O2 in the system or bacteria will dead.
The reactor is completly closed, no air in, never change zeolith, never open the reactor.

Question : what is "display" ?

tntneon · 05/03/2009, 11:57 AM

display tank is the aquarium with the corals and fish in , and not the sump or refuge .

greetingzz tntneon

texc4 · 05/03/2009, 12:07 PM

Ok thanx, a new word

But you have to put the carbon source in the reactor. Bacterias need.

texc4 · 05/03/2009, 12:12 PM

Oh, I see tntneon, you are in "Hollande", beautiful country!

texc4 · 05/03/2009, 12:19 PM

GeoffM1968 said

"ZEOvit system description and protocol can be found here:

http://www.korallen-zucht.de/files/...nglish_1_03.pdf

This will describe what is being attempted using ZEOvit to drive done nutrients. Described above is one modification some people are trying.

I am tracking results with some of the system but not the ZEOvit as I have been reading a couple threads and not sold the ZEOvit will work in a marine environment as some argue the binding of ammonia is minimal at best in marine environment. Instead, some argue the results people are seeing in marine environment is from the ZEOvit acting as a good growth medium for beneficial bacteria colonies. I am testing theories now and will be adding a ZEOvit reactor to test it in near future.

You can follow along if you like at:
http://justmyreef.com/index.php/200.../zeovit-system/

Disclaimer: I am not a scientist, I do not have a control tank, and your results may very. Many have had great success with full ZEOvit system in use. I am simply trying to debunk what others have told me as I have not found any scientific evidence for the marine ammonia argument not binding."

Hello,
Take amino acids used by body builders, it costs much cheaper, however the result is surprising!

GeoffM1968 · 05/03/2009, 02:23 PM

texc4: ok on the amino acid and body builder comment as not sure what that has to do anything mentioned above. Unless you are supporting the idea any supplement, dosage, or new method unless back by fact what is really happening, should then be viewed as snake oil.

You mention to use the zeolith so I ask really what is it doing to reduce the nutrients? Anything being added or used to system or giving advise I find suspect unless backed by fact to what it really is doing. What bio method or cascade is it supporting or enhancing. I simply was showing tried methods using zeolith to back up what you were recommending others do with your recommended zeolith.

tonyespinoza · 05/03/2009, 02:31 PM

so on a total volume of 700g (2,650 L) would you recommend running multiple reactors with the same proportion. i presume your total water volume is 750 L?

tonyespinoza · 05/03/2009, 02:33 PM

can you show a picture of where you add the vodka directly to the reactor without introducing O2?

thanks so much for sharing this!

05/02/2009, 03:57 AM	#1
texc4 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lille France Posts: 54	NO3 problem : try this Hello everybody, I hope it helps you! Take : - 1 piece of tube ( 800 mm dia 100 mm ) - 2 cups - 1 piece of large blue sponge ( for the bottom ) - 2 kg of zeolith ( use only 20/30mm ) - 1 Maxijet 250 ( or other but don't exceed 250 liters / h ) - add 2 ml/day of carbon source ( 25% vodka dilute in 75% RO Water ) The maxijet take the water at the bottom, the entry is protected by the blue sponge. Start with one drop / sec. About 3 or 4 days, NO2 is very high. Don't touch to the efluent rate. The day 5 or 6, NO2 is 0 and NO3 is 0. I think it's the best way to start. You need only 7 days max to have NO3 = 0 at the effluent. It doesn't produce sulphur. It doesn't affect CA balancing. I have 2 friends, they do the same reactor, the results are the same. I tried many things about, it's the best way ! Don't make full the reactor with zeolith : sulphur! Use 1/3 of volume of the reactor. Enjoy ! Sorry for my english, I must learn so much __________________ Quel bonheur d'avoir une femme qui partage ma passion ! Current Tank Info: 750 liters Jaubert + vodka dosing Last edited by texc4; 05/02/2009 at 04:05 AM.

05/02/2009, 04:55 AM	#2
HighlandReefer Team RC Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highland, Maryland Entomologist Posts: 14,591	texc4, That is one high-tech picture you have posted. If I were not in the hobby, I would think it is a picture of something found on the Space Shuttle. __________________ Cliff Babcock Intestests: Digital Microscopy; Marine Pest Control; Marine Plants & Macroalgae Current Tank Info: 180 g. mixed reef system

05/02/2009, 05:18 AM	#3
texc4 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lille France Posts: 54	LOL __________________ Quel bonheur d'avoir une femme qui partage ma passion ! Current Tank Info: 750 liters Jaubert + vodka dosing

05/02/2009, 05:33 AM	#4
texc4 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lille France Posts: 54	So, I think I can now shut down my vodka dosing in my tank! Inside the reactor, the water becomes cloudy after 10 or 15 days, it's normal. __________________ Quel bonheur d'avoir une femme qui partage ma passion ! Current Tank Info: 750 liters Jaubert + vodka dosing

05/02/2009, 07:00 AM	#5
HighlandReefer Team RC Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highland, Maryland Entomologist Posts: 14,591	Refresh my memory since I am not a Zeo user. What is the active ingredient in Zeolith? __________________ Cliff Babcock Intestests: Digital Microscopy; Marine Pest Control; Marine Plants & Macroalgae Current Tank Info: 180 g. mixed reef system

05/02/2009, 07:37 AM	#6
texc4 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lille France Posts: 54	I use a zeolite base, just to the surface of colonization that is unbelievable. It's just a good zeolite. I hope that is the answer to your question. I'm not using any additives except vodka to fuel this reactor. __________________ Quel bonheur d'avoir une femme qui partage ma passion ! Current Tank Info: 750 liters Jaubert + vodka dosing

05/02/2009, 08:07 AM	#7
tntneon SPSahollic Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: terneuzen , netherlands Posts: 875	hello texc4 , looks very nice so if i'm correct the maxi jet just circulates the water , but where comes the aquarium water in ? and the dripline(1 drip/s) is in the discharge line of that pump ? do you have a drawing of it ? I a very curious ..... greetingzz tntneon

05/02/2009, 08:16 AM	#8
texc4 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lille France Posts: 54	Hello! I glue 2 tubes 4/6mm. One on the cup, the other on the ... I don't know how to say in english.... So with Google translate :I stuck a hose 4/6mm PVC cap on the top (entrance) and the other 4/6mm hose out of the pump, simply. Hope it helps you Don't move, I take a photo this evening, now I will buy an acropora . But I will do a photo ! __________________ Quel bonheur d'avoir une femme qui partage ma passion ! Current Tank Info: 750 liters Jaubert + vodka dosing

05/02/2009, 08:29 AM	#9
tntneon SPSahollic Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: terneuzen , netherlands Posts: 875	i think i understand it now (je comprend ) greetingzz tntneon

05/02/2009, 12:06 PM	#11
HighlandReefer Team RC Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highland, Maryland Entomologist Posts: 14,591	Hey Bob, Where are your nitrates at now? __________________ Cliff Babcock Intestests: Digital Microscopy; Marine Pest Control; Marine Plants & Macroalgae Current Tank Info: 180 g. mixed reef system

05/02/2009, 04:36 PM	#12
Origami2547 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 163	Hi Bob. Hi Cliff. Good to see you here, Bob. So, Texc4, let me see if I got this straight. You're using Zeolite inside a recirculating reactor. The zeolite has a natural affinity for ammonium (NH4+) which helps to collect ammonia in the reactor. In addition, you've dosed the reactor with a couple of milliliters of vodka for several days to establish a bacterial colony on and in the zeolite. (Is that correct?) This helps to eventually establish some nitrate in the reactor. Now, you've got a really slow flow going into and out of this reactor - 1 drop per second, or about 3 milliliters per minute. That sets up the reactor as an anaerobic zone in the long term, which promotes development of bacteria that convert nitrate to nitrogen gas. Is that how this is supposed to be working? I have three questions, if you don't mind. 1) You talked about dosing 2 ml of vodka per day into the reactor. Do you do this continuously, or do you stop after several days and let the system operate on its own. In other words, is it necessary to add the vodka to keep this system operating? 2) It looks like the intake side of the maxijet is drawing your effluent from the bottom of the reactor so the net flow in the reactor is input from the top cap and effluent from the pump. Is this right? 3) How long have you been running this new reactor? __________________ Tom Current Tank Info: 210 SPS dominated tank w/ 350G in-system; GSA custom-12 Skimmer w/ 2 modified DC-6000's; running kalkstirrer & Ca Reactor; cabon & biopellets; ozone; Reeflo main pump.

05/02/2009, 05:34 PM	#13
texc4 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lille France Posts: 54	Hello! 1) You talked about dosing 2 ml of vodka per day into the reactor. Do you do this continuously, or do you stop after several days and let the system operate on its own. In other words, is it necessary to add the vodka to keep this system operating? Yes I dose everyday 2 ml of mix carbon with RO Water. I think if the NO3 level is "not detectable", I must dose only 1 ml. The system seems start very fast when the level of NO3 is up to 5 mg/l. 2) It looks like the intake side of the maxijet is drawing your effluent from the bottom of the reactor so the net flow in the reactor is input from the top cap and effluent from the pump. Is this right? I don't understand so I make a draw. 3) How long have you been running this new reactor? This reactor is the third. The first I made with a friend has run 4 months. The problem with it was the H2S. There was to much zeolith in the chamber and the water circulation was bad. So we have made a second prototype. The circulation was OK, the circulation was reverse with this last and the effluent can't exceed 1 drop/sec, the pump was too big ( 1000 l/h ). With this last, you can dose 100% vodka when you have 10mg/l and more. With this setup, you can have almost 2 drops / sec. ( We want this treatment capacity ). I tried many zeo, the best result was with 20/30 mm. __________________ Quel bonheur d'avoir une femme qui partage ma passion ! Current Tank Info: 750 liters Jaubert + vodka dosing Last edited by texc4; 05/02/2009 at 05:52 PM.

05/03/2009, 03:38 AM	#14
tntneon SPSahollic Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: terneuzen , netherlands Posts: 875	-hi texc4 , -Do you have to stop the reaktor every day to add the vodka ? Can`t you just add the wodka in the display ? greetingzz tntneon

05/03/2009, 07:32 AM	#15
GeoffM1968 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Port Richey, FL Posts: 226	ZEOvit system description and protocol can be found here: http://www.korallen-zucht.de/files/z...glish_1_03.pdf This will describe what is being attempted using ZEOvit to drive done nutrients. Described above is one modification some people are trying. I am tracking results with some of the system but not the ZEOvit as I have been reading a couple threads and not sold the ZEOvit will work in a marine environment as some argue the binding of ammonia is minimal at best in marine environment. Instead, some argue the results people are seeing in marine environment is from the ZEOvit acting as a good growth medium for beneficial bacteria colonies. I am testing theories now and will be adding a ZEOvit reactor to test it in near future. You can follow along if you like at: http://justmyreef.com/index.php/2009...zeovit-system/ Disclaimer: I am not a scientist, I do not have a control tank, and your results may very. Many have had great success with full ZEOvit system in use. I am simply trying to debunk what others have told me as I have not found any scientific evidence for the marine ammonia argument not binding. __________________ Click my User Name and select View Homepage to see my tank blog. Current Tank Info: 24 gallon Mixed Reef with Lumen Max Elite Galazy Elec 250w MH Ushio 2000K+ DE, Tunze 9200 Skimmer, RKE, MP10, LM3 (Kalk ATO). Last edited by GeoffM1968; 05/03/2009 at 07:48 AM.

05/03/2009, 07:46 AM	#16
GeoffM1968 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Port Richey, FL Posts: 226	Some other threads you may want to check out: VSV vs ZEOstart2 -- http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...readid=1623821 Which bacterial method is best for SPS? -- http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...ghlight=ZEOvit __________________ Click my User Name and select View Homepage to see my tank blog. Current Tank Info: 24 gallon Mixed Reef with Lumen Max Elite Galazy Elec 250w MH Ushio 2000K+ DE, Tunze 9200 Skimmer, RKE, MP10, LM3 (Kalk ATO).

05/03/2009, 11:04 AM	#17
texc4 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lille France Posts: 54	Hello, I don't speak about zeovit method, just use zeolith, it's not the same thing. Zeovit method is a method. Here I use a mineral and a carbon source. The Zeovit Protocol is a complete protocol. Here I use the zeolite as a media for bacteria. The zeolite is one of the more porous mineral in the world. __________________ Quel bonheur d'avoir une femme qui partage ma passion ! Current Tank Info: 750 liters Jaubert + vodka dosing Last edited by texc4; 05/03/2009 at 11:29 AM.

05/03/2009, 11:36 AM	#18
texc4 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lille France Posts: 54	"-hi texc4 , -Do you have to stop the reaktor every day to add the vodka ? Can`t you just add the wodka in the display ?" hi, I never stop the reactor. You must not open the reactor when started. At the "IN" tube with a T, you can add carbon source. You have to be careful : do not add O2 in the system or bacteria will dead. The reactor is completly closed, no air in, never change zeolith, never open the reactor. Question : what is "display" ? __________________ Quel bonheur d'avoir une femme qui partage ma passion ! Current Tank Info: 750 liters Jaubert + vodka dosing

05/03/2009, 11:57 AM	#19
tntneon SPSahollic Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: terneuzen , netherlands Posts: 875	display tank is the aquarium with the corals and fish in , and not the sump or refuge . greetingzz tntneon

05/03/2009, 12:07 PM	#20
texc4 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lille France Posts: 54	Ok thanx, a new word But you have to put the carbon source in the reactor. Bacterias need. __________________ Quel bonheur d'avoir une femme qui partage ma passion ! Current Tank Info: 750 liters Jaubert + vodka dosing

05/03/2009, 12:12 PM	#21
texc4 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lille France Posts: 54	Oh, I see tntneon, you are in "Hollande", beautiful country! __________________ Quel bonheur d'avoir une femme qui partage ma passion ! Current Tank Info: 750 liters Jaubert + vodka dosing

05/03/2009, 12:19 PM	#22
texc4 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Lille France Posts: 54	GeoffM1968 said "ZEOvit system description and protocol can be found here: http://www.korallen-zucht.de/files/...nglish_1_03.pdf This will describe what is being attempted using ZEOvit to drive done nutrients. Described above is one modification some people are trying. I am tracking results with some of the system but not the ZEOvit as I have been reading a couple threads and not sold the ZEOvit will work in a marine environment as some argue the binding of ammonia is minimal at best in marine environment. Instead, some argue the results people are seeing in marine environment is from the ZEOvit acting as a good growth medium for beneficial bacteria colonies. I am testing theories now and will be adding a ZEOvit reactor to test it in near future. You can follow along if you like at: http://justmyreef.com/index.php/200.../zeovit-system/ Disclaimer: I am not a scientist, I do not have a control tank, and your results may very. Many have had great success with full ZEOvit system in use. I am simply trying to debunk what others have told me as I have not found any scientific evidence for the marine ammonia argument not binding." Hello, Take amino acids used by body builders, it costs much cheaper, however the result is surprising! __________________ Quel bonheur d'avoir une femme qui partage ma passion ! Current Tank Info: 750 liters Jaubert + vodka dosing Last edited by texc4; 05/03/2009 at 12:27 PM.

05/03/2009, 02:23 PM	#23
GeoffM1968 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Port Richey, FL Posts: 226	texc4: ok on the amino acid and body builder comment as not sure what that has to do anything mentioned above. Unless you are supporting the idea any supplement, dosage, or new method unless back by fact what is really happening, should then be viewed as snake oil. You mention to use the zeolith so I ask really what is it doing to reduce the nutrients? Anything being added or used to system or giving advise I find suspect unless backed by fact to what it really is doing. What bio method or cascade is it supporting or enhancing. I simply was showing tried methods using zeolith to back up what you were recommending others do with your recommended zeolith. __________________ Click my User Name and select View Homepage to see my tank blog. Current Tank Info: 24 gallon Mixed Reef with Lumen Max Elite Galazy Elec 250w MH Ushio 2000K+ DE, Tunze 9200 Skimmer, RKE, MP10, LM3 (Kalk ATO). Last edited by GeoffM1968; 05/03/2009 at 02:35 PM.

05/03/2009, 02:31 PM	#24
tonyespinoza Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: santa cruz mountains Posts: 1,268	so on a total volume of 700g (2,650 L) would you recommend running multiple reactors with the same proportion. i presume your total water volume is 750 L?

05/03/2009, 02:33 PM	#25
tonyespinoza Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: santa cruz mountains Posts: 1,268	can you show a picture of where you add the vodka directly to the reactor without introducing O2? thanks so much for sharing this!