8 different tang on 300 gallon dt

bullitr · 08/21/2009, 02:23 PM

i want to add a smaller powder blue and a smaller clown tang in my tank . i already have orange shoulder and powder brown tang (same species). along with purple, yellow, and blue tang. i want to replace my beloved male blonde naso tang that past recently. will it work. i will add them at the same time after placing them on the sump for a couple of weeks to make them healthy and acclimate better. if i can find achilles i want to add it too

bullitr · 08/21/2009, 02:46 PM

At least its not jarhead 32 yellow tang!
anyway the question really is 5 Acanthurus species on a 300 gallon tank
and i am still 6 months away from getting a 450 gallon all glass tank

nava405 · 08/21/2009, 02:54 PM

how long have you have the brown?

u'll probably need to try 6-10 achillies to keep one alive.

bullitr · 08/21/2009, 02:58 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nava405
[B]how long have you have the brown?

not very long he and the orange shoulder are the tamest tang on my tank hands down

phc567 · 08/21/2009, 03:03 PM

my vote would be No. the powder brown and the powder blue will fight to the death. they will get ich and ich will kill the rest of your fish. I'm sure someone will say they have done it. 99% have failed including myself.

nava405 · 08/21/2009, 03:34 PM

stop adding fish for now, consider both brown and clown are "hard to keep" tang, i have never successfully keep a brown alive for long, and ScoobyRS25 probably tried 5 or 6 clown tangs. IMO, for now just keep them alive and healthy for a bit longer, and if you think they are ready for more stress, then you can consider putting another tang in there.

also i think u'll have alot better chance with powder blue, BUT i think that thing is a ich mag, just like blue tang.

bullitr · 08/21/2009, 04:37 PM

the powder brown are already stabilized . i will might keep the powder blue on my 150 gallon sump

bullitr · 08/21/2009, 04:39 PM

so any recommendation for another tang?
should i get 2 more blue tang?

bullitr · 08/21/2009, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phc567
my vote would be No. the powder brown and the powder blue will fight to the death. they will get ich and ich will kill the rest of your fish. I'm sure someone will say they have done it. 99% have failed including myself.

thank you
my tank will always have ick just like in the wild ! for almost 5 years i learn how to accept it and deal with it with 5 cleaner shrimp and 2 years old cleaner wrasse. no tang have yet die from ick in my tank!

rort · 08/21/2009, 04:56 PM

its a common misconception that cleaner wrasse and cleaner shrimp cure ich... They dont, and they dont even eat the parasite.

Yes almost everyone has ich in their DT but the fact that you know you have it, you should take EXTRA precautions with adding fish ESPECIALLY hard to keep tangs IMO

jabel · 08/21/2009, 05:03 PM

I've been trying to add other tangs to my tank for a while with my powder blue and he just beats the crap out of them. Plus those fish are dealing with the stress of being taken out of the ocean. I like your idea of keeping them in you sump for a while since this should help with getting them to eat and such. But, I wouldn't add them until you get your new tank. I'm not sure it will work 100%, but the new environment will help them get along until they set up their territories.

Otherwise tangs can become very aggressive.

Once, my powder blue tail whiped a sohal right out of the tank. And I thought the sohal was an aggressive fish and would work it out. Nope, that fish only lasted 3 days.

my two cents,
Jeff

bullitr · 08/21/2009, 05:07 PM

thanks Jeff
i would most likely do that.

bullitr · 08/21/2009, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rort
its a common misconception that cleaner wrasse and cleaner shrimp cure ich... They dont, and they dont even eat the parasite.

Yes almost everyone has ich in their DT but the fact that you know you have it, you should take EXTRA precautions with adding fish ESPECIALLY hard to keep tangs IMO

i never said its a cure!
i really believe my cleaner shrimp help my parasite infestation since i start this hobby and now that i have a great cleaner wrasse its even better

aquariumclown · 08/21/2009, 05:10 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bullitr
[B]

Quote:

Originally posted by nava405
how long have you have the brown?

not very long he and the orange shoulder are the tamest tang on my tank hands down

IME, just because he's tame now doesn't mean he will be tame to any newcomer. They're attitudes can turn on a dime.

aquariumclown · 08/21/2009, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jabel
I've been trying to add other tangs to my tank for a while with my powder blue and he just beats the crap out of them. Plus those fish are dealing with the stress of being taken out of the ocean. I like your idea of keeping them in you sump for a while since this should help with getting them to eat and such. But, I wouldn't add them until you get your new tank. I'm not sure it will work 100%, but the new environment will help them get along until they set up their territories.

Otherwise tangs can become very aggressive.

Once, my powder blue tail whiped a sohal right out of the tank. And I thought the sohal was an aggressive fish and would work it out. Nope, that fish only lasted 3 days.

my two cents,
Jeff

Quarantine is always a good idea.

bullitr · 08/21/2009, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jabel
I've been trying to add other tangs to my tank for a while with my powder blue and he just beats the crap out of them. Plus those fish are dealing with the stress of being taken out of the ocean. I like your idea of keeping them in you sump for a while since this should help with getting them to eat and such. But, I wouldn't add them until you get your new tank. I'm not sure it will work 100%, but the new environment will help them get along until they set up their territories.

Otherwise tangs can become very aggressive.

Once, my powder blue tail whiped a sohal right out of the tank. And I thought the sohal was an aggressive fish and would work it out. Nope, that fish only lasted 3 days.

my two cents,
Jeff

how is the clown tang fare with the powder blue?

phc567 · 08/21/2009, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bullitr
thank you
my tank will always have ick just like in the wild ! for almost 5 years i learn how to accept it and deal with it with 5 cleaner shrimp and 2 years old cleaner wrasse. no tang have yet die from ick in my tank!

don't like my answer eh?

keeping new fish in a sump will not last very long unless the sump is spotless. even with keeping fish in the sump if the fish your bringing in have a illness it will spread to your DT.

I vote for QT. do it right the first time. it was a very hard lesson for me to learn too.

bullitr · 08/21/2009, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phc567
don't like my answer eh?

keeping new fish in a sump will not last very long unless the sump is spotless. even with keeping fish in the sump if the fish your bringing in have a illness it will spread to your DT.

I vote for QT. do it right the first time. it was a very hard lesson for me to learn too.

i have 150 gallon sump with divider and the large portion 4' x 18"of the sump are open ( spotless maybe in your eyes) and have good light on the end of the sump for the refugium

aquariumclown · 08/21/2009, 05:54 PM

Technically speaking a QT is not a part of the main system, it should not be connect at all to the main system which you will introduce. The whole purpose of the QT is to keep from new parasites/diseases spread to your main system. It's to be monitored and new specimens checked for any signs of possible problems so it's to not spread to the inhabitants of the DT. That being said, I would say that 98% of reef keepers out there do not do proper QT, they all take their chances and have gotten "lucky" many times over.

bullitr · 08/21/2009, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by aquariumclown
Technically speaking a QT is not a part of the main system, it should not be connect at all to the main system which you will introduce. The whole purpose of the QT is to keep from new parasites/diseases spread to your main system. It's to be monitored and new specimens checked for any signs of possible problems so it's to not spread to the inhabitants of the DT. That being said, I would say that 98% of reef keepers out there do not do proper QT, they all take their chances and have gotten "lucky" many times over.

anything wet added in the can have parasite
if you have fowlr it might be perfect for qt and hypo but not on a full blown reef that constantly adding new corals .

nava405 · 08/21/2009, 07:41 PM

i don't know wat you mean by stablize, but for me any fish less than 6 months are not stablize...how long you have the brown?

bullitr · 08/21/2009, 07:53 PM

3months or so
what i meant was it is not getting pick on, he eats off my hands and no issue what so ever except its getting fat

vamaro · 08/21/2009, 07:56 PM

I tried an achilles 2 times. On both occasions the fish got covered with ick and died within six weeks. However, I do want to mention that both of my fish died when I put them back into a QT to treat the ick. Maybe I moved them in too late, not sure.

My cleaner shrimp did try to keep the achilles clean and I think they did a decent job, but the ick just kept getting worse.

Of course, my entire tank got ick too and I had to remove all of my fish 2 times. As much as I love the achilles, I will not get another one unless I have a FOWLR that I can add some copper to the tank.

Vince

29reef · 08/21/2009, 08:09 PM

As long as all fish are feed properly several times a day and are given good water quality I dont see why youcouldnt keep the above mentioned fishes. Most fish will fight with newcomers because they see it as a threat to their food source. Once they realize they are still fat and happy they should leave the new fish alone. GL

LifeIsFish · 08/21/2009, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phc567
my vote would be No. the powder brown and the powder blue will fight to the death. they will get ich and ich will kill the rest of your fish. I'm sure someone will say they have done it. 99% have failed including myself.

I agree! i did that mistake - and the powder brown killed the powder blue... and ick come into the tank.....

so dont do it.....

08/21/2009, 02:23 PM	#1
bullitr broke but happy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: stevenson ranch, ca Posts: 14,053	8 different tang on 300 gallon dt i want to add a smaller powder blue and a smaller clown tang in my tank . i already have orange shoulder and powder brown tang (same species). along with purple, yellow, and blue tang. i want to replace my beloved male blonde naso tang that past recently. will it work. i will add them at the same time after placing them on the sump for a couple of weeks to make them healthy and acclimate better. if i can find achilles i want to add it too __________________ Lawrence SFVR member 435 gallon display in wall see through no more hyposalinity... Current Tank Info: 96x36x29 inwall

08/21/2009, 02:46 PM	#2
bullitr broke but happy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: stevenson ranch, ca Posts: 14,053	At least its not jarhead 32 yellow tang! anyway the question really is 5 Acanthurus species on a 300 gallon tank and i am still 6 months away from getting a 450 gallon all glass tank __________________ Lawrence SFVR member 435 gallon display in wall see through no more hyposalinity... Current Tank Info: 96x36x29 inwall

08/21/2009, 02:54 PM	#3
nava405 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CA Irvine Posts: 2,818	how long have you have the brown? u'll probably need to try 6-10 achillies to keep one alive. __________________ I hate polyp extension... Current Tank Info: rimelss 48x30x20, sump 72x22x16, 2x mp40s, nano wavebox

08/21/2009, 02:58 PM	#4
bullitr broke but happy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: stevenson ranch, ca Posts: 14,053	[QUOTE]Originally posted by nava405 [B]how long have you have the brown? not very long he and the orange shoulder are the tamest tang on my tank hands down __________________ Lawrence SFVR member 435 gallon display in wall see through no more hyposalinity... Current Tank Info: 96x36x29 inwall

08/21/2009, 03:03 PM	#5
phc567 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Da City by Da Bay Posts: 453	my vote would be No. the powder brown and the powder blue will fight to the death. they will get ich and ich will kill the rest of your fish. I'm sure someone will say they have done it. 99% have failed including myself. __________________ Will in the Witness Protection program Current Tank Info: 300 Gal , 60 cube

08/21/2009, 03:34 PM	#6
nava405 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CA Irvine Posts: 2,818	stop adding fish for now, consider both brown and clown are "hard to keep" tang, i have never successfully keep a brown alive for long, and ScoobyRS25 probably tried 5 or 6 clown tangs. IMO, for now just keep them alive and healthy for a bit longer, and if you think they are ready for more stress, then you can consider putting another tang in there. also i think u'll have alot better chance with powder blue, BUT i think that thing is a ich mag, just like blue tang. __________________ I hate polyp extension... Current Tank Info: rimelss 48x30x20, sump 72x22x16, 2x mp40s, nano wavebox

08/21/2009, 04:37 PM	#7
bullitr broke but happy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: stevenson ranch, ca Posts: 14,053	the powder brown are already stabilized . i will might keep the powder blue on my 150 gallon sump __________________ Lawrence SFVR member 435 gallon display in wall see through no more hyposalinity... Current Tank Info: 96x36x29 inwall

08/21/2009, 04:39 PM	#8
bullitr broke but happy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: stevenson ranch, ca Posts: 14,053	so any recommendation for another tang? should i get 2 more blue tang? __________________ Lawrence SFVR member 435 gallon display in wall see through no more hyposalinity... Current Tank Info: 96x36x29 inwall

08/21/2009, 04:56 PM	#10
rort Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 1,934	its a common misconception that cleaner wrasse and cleaner shrimp cure ich... They dont, and they dont even eat the parasite. Yes almost everyone has ich in their DT but the fact that you know you have it, you should take EXTRA precautions with adding fish ESPECIALLY hard to keep tangs IMO __________________ Bobby Current Tank Info: Aquanano 60

08/21/2009, 05:03 PM	#11
jabel Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 848	I've been trying to add other tangs to my tank for a while with my powder blue and he just beats the crap out of them. Plus those fish are dealing with the stress of being taken out of the ocean. I like your idea of keeping them in you sump for a while since this should help with getting them to eat and such. But, I wouldn't add them until you get your new tank. I'm not sure it will work 100%, but the new environment will help them get along until they set up their territories. Otherwise tangs can become very aggressive. Once, my powder blue tail whiped a sohal right out of the tank. And I thought the sohal was an aggressive fish and would work it out. Nope, that fish only lasted 3 days. my two cents, Jeff

08/21/2009, 05:07 PM	#12
bullitr broke but happy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: stevenson ranch, ca Posts: 14,053	thanks Jeff i would most likely do that. __________________ Lawrence SFVR member 435 gallon display in wall see through no more hyposalinity... Current Tank Info: 96x36x29 inwall Last edited by bullitr; 08/21/2009 at 05:14 PM.

08/21/2009, 05:54 PM	#19
aquariumclown Moved On Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 3,356	Technically speaking a QT is not a part of the main system, it should not be connect at all to the main system which you will introduce. The whole purpose of the QT is to keep from new parasites/diseases spread to your main system. It's to be monitored and new specimens checked for any signs of possible problems so it's to not spread to the inhabitants of the DT. That being said, I would say that 98% of reef keepers out there do not do proper QT, they all take their chances and have gotten "lucky" many times over.

08/21/2009, 07:41 PM	#21
nava405 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CA Irvine Posts: 2,818	i don't know wat you mean by stablize, but for me any fish less than 6 months are not stablize...how long you have the brown? __________________ I hate polyp extension... Current Tank Info: rimelss 48x30x20, sump 72x22x16, 2x mp40s, nano wavebox

08/21/2009, 07:53 PM	#22
bullitr broke but happy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: stevenson ranch, ca Posts: 14,053	3months or so what i meant was it is not getting pick on, he eats off my hands and no issue what so ever except its getting fat __________________ Lawrence SFVR member 435 gallon display in wall see through no more hyposalinity... Current Tank Info: 96x36x29 inwall

08/21/2009, 07:56 PM	#23
vamaro Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Juan Capistrano Posts: 1,334	I tried an achilles 2 times. On both occasions the fish got covered with ick and died within six weeks. However, I do want to mention that both of my fish died when I put them back into a QT to treat the ick. Maybe I moved them in too late, not sure. My cleaner shrimp did try to keep the achilles clean and I think they did a decent job, but the ick just kept getting worse. Of course, my entire tank got ick too and I had to remove all of my fish 2 times. As much as I love the achilles, I will not get another one unless I have a FOWLR that I can add some copper to the tank. Vince __________________ Vince Current Tank Info: 220 Gallon Tank 72L x 30W x 24H, FOWLR, APEX Controller, ATB 1260 (Large) with Airstar 2000, Ozotech Ozone with Avast Reactor, Tripplite 750 Inverter with Optima Batteries, 72' Current USA Extreme Pro T5 light

08/21/2009, 08:09 PM	#24
29reef It's all about the flow Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Huntington Beach OC Posts: 3,643	As long as all fish are feed properly several times a day and are given good water quality I dont see why youcouldnt keep the above mentioned fishes. Most fish will fight with newcomers because they see it as a threat to their food source. Once they realize they are still fat and happy they should leave the new fish alone. GL __________________ -Brian RIP-The Metal Halide- My SPS may never know such a great friend again. Current Tank Info: Currently Tankless