Cost of Coral Catshark

Mad Max · 12/29/2009, 12:55 AM

I see that the wholesaler Quality Marine sells Atelomycterus marmoratus anyone know how much one would be through my LFS?

ERICinFL · 12/29/2009, 01:08 AM

Not sure, but check online, then ask your LFS. There are to many factors to list, that would dictate a price. Just make sure you have a VERY LARGE tank to put it in if you get one. They require a lot of room to move, a soft, fine substrate and you're limited to a short list of tank mates that it won't eat.

Mad Max · 12/29/2009, 01:16 AM

I have a tank that's almost 100 gallons larger than the recommended size for one, and the only other tank mates will be a school of 15 or so chromis. I have not been able to find any online store that sells this particular shark. So I am really down to a LFS, but before I ask them to order me one I want to find out what other places are selling them for so they don't take advantage of me.

Jim96SC2 · 12/29/2009, 01:23 AM

Reccomended size isn't what you go by when dealing with sharks and rays. You need to account for their size vs. footprint. Minimally you want a tank 6x longer and 3x wider then the adult size.

ERICinFL · 12/29/2009, 01:24 AM

I'd imagine they'd go for $100-$200 depending on the size. Anything Saltwater might have one. I looked into getting a shark one time and they had a few for sale. Just keep in mind, they'll grow to about 24-27in. and they'll think the Chromis are delicious.

Mad Max · 12/29/2009, 01:29 AM

Atelomycterus marmoratus unlike requiem shark does not need that amount of space. The tank its going in is 3x longer and 1.5x wider than the shark, more than enough space for this little bottom dweller.

Mad Max · 12/29/2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ERICinFL

I'd imagine they'd go for $100-$200 depending on the size. Anything Saltwater might have one. I looked into getting a shark one time and they had a few for sale. Just keep in mind, they'll grow to about 24-27in. and they'll think the Chromis are delicious.

Ok thanks, I will have to check that out. That's why I'm putting Chromis in with it haha.

Jim96SC2 · 12/29/2009, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mad Max

Atelomycterus marmoratus unlike requiem shark does not need that amount of space. The tank its going in is 3x longer and 1.5x wider than the shark, more than enough space for this little bottom dweller.

No, it won't. I'd highly suggest going to a place suited to discussion of large aquatic creatures like that. Try monsterfishkeepers.com to start.

Mad Max · 12/29/2009, 01:56 AM

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No, it won't. I'd highly suggest going to a place suited to discussion of large aquatic creatures like that. Try monsterfishkeepers.com to start.

Scott W. Micheal's Aquarium Sharks and Rays says that a 110 gallon would be sufficient and Robbert M. Fenner's book The Conscientious Marine Aquarist suggest a tank that is 3x long 2x wide.

ERICinFL · 12/29/2009, 02:03 AM

What are the dimensions of your tank?

Mad Max · 12/29/2009, 02:07 AM

72' long 30" wide 24" high

Jim96SC2 · 12/29/2009, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mad Max

Scott W. Micheal's Aquarium Sharks and Rays says that a 110 gallon would be sufficient and Robbert M. Fenner's book The Conscientious Marine Aquarist suggest a tank that is 3x long 2x wide.

Would you keep a 3" fish in a 9"x6" tank? Those books are woefully low on the needed room. While benthitic (sp?) sharks have an extremely small range compared to other pelagic sharks, they still require room for swimming. Like I said, check at a few sites, especially MFK. Theres a reason why I have a 58 reef and not a shark tank.

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72' long 30" wide 24" high

Your shark gets up to around 24", you don't even have that minimal space. Sorry to say, but its a common problem with people wanting a shark.

Mad Max · 12/29/2009, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim96SC2

Would you keep a 3" fish in a 9"x6" tank? Those books are woefully low on the needed room. While benthitic (sp?) sharks have an extremely small range compared to other pelagic sharks, they still require room for swimming. Like I said, check at a few sites, especially MFK. Theres a reason why I have a 58 reef and not a shark tank.

Your shark gets up to around 24", you don't even have that minimal space. Sorry to say, but its a common problem with people wanting a shark.

I was on MFK a few years back when I first wanted a shark, they told me a bamboo shark would be fine in a 180 gallon, I found that appalling, left the site and started doing research through books. I do not see why I shouldn't trust Robbert Fenner or Scott Michael its not like they are a store trying to sell me something.

username in use · 12/29/2009, 07:14 AM

Are you going to have absolutely no rock in the tank? If the answer is no, than you need a bigger tank. The problem with minimum tank sizes is that they are meant as a bare minimum in that it would be species only with no rockwork so that the fish could utilize all the room. For every inch of rock that you add, you need to add an inch or two if tank size. In other words, you only have a big enough tank if its empty, and thats not very nice looking.

Mad Max · 12/29/2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by username in use

Are you going to have absolutely no rock in the tank? If the answer is no, than you need a bigger tank. The problem with minimum tank sizes is that they are meant as a bare minimum in that it would be species only with no rockwork so that the fish could utilize all the room. For every inch of rock that you add, you need to add an inch or two if tank size. In other words, you only have a big enough tank if its empty, and thats not very nice looking.

I am not planing on having any rockwork, all the research I have done says that LR is dangerous for sharks because the sharks can cut themselves and get nasty infections. I am going to paint the sides of the tank to add more privacy for him instead.

username in use · 12/29/2009, 02:55 PM

They should still have somewhere to hide, like a cave or some rocks that they can be behind and not be seen to make them more comfortable. Even if you epoxy some soft boulder type rocks together so they're not jagged, to give the shark something. I mean, do you want to live in a bare room with people staring at you, or would you at the very least like a room divider to get behind once in a while.

nikon187 · 12/29/2009, 03:22 PM

a 100 g tank is not big enough long term, no matter what you read in a book. If you have ever seen one of these animals at full size you would understand the size constraints. Minimum tank size i would look at would be in the 300-400g range.

Mad Max · 12/29/2009, 03:51 PM

It is too late for me to change I already bought my custom 72' 30" 24" acrylic tank. I am keeping the shark in a tank much larger than recommended size. I do not understand why you would doubt Robert Fenner this is what is web site says about him.

Robert (Bob) Fenner has "lived" the science, hobby and business of aquatics in the Philippines, Japan and United States. All phases; collector, wholesale, jobber, retail, design, construction and maintenance. All levels; manager, owner, hatchery worker, retail clerk, technician. Except for a stint teaching high school sciences for four years, he has worked all his life in the field of ornamental aquatics.
Academic experience includes eleven years of college, a couple of life science degrees and a teaching credential for chemistry, physics and biology. Published works include several studies on aquatic biological and chemical questions, and an extensive publishing and photographic background in the industry and hobby of aquatics. Have taught High School sciences and Marine Sciences and Aquariology courses at the State University, University of California levels. Bob has been an avid aquatic hobbyist since day one and is active in hobbyist and scientific organizations. He has served on numerous Boards, judged shows and given many programs.
Helped form and run (President) of the employee-owned corporation, Nature Etc., Inc. in San Diego, started in 1973; a turn-key operation in the field of ornamental aquatics, designing and building ponds, lakes, fountains and waterfalls (Aquatic Environments), designing, installing custom aquarium systems and maintenance (Aquatic Life Services), and operating retail outlets (Wet Pets).... currently does consulting, content provision to the trade, sciences and hobby of aquaristics.

I would appreciate it if you would stop hassling me about the tank size. I did my own research and have my own opinions. I do need help with finding out how much they are averagely sold for in a LFS. Cheers Max

username in use · 12/29/2009, 04:03 PM

This is from another forum where people were debating the same thing and referenced the same book and this was an interesting response that you should seriously consider.

"I am a marine biologist by training, and I would never put one in a 125, assuming a standard footprint.

Marine biologists are prone to the same drawbacks that come with making money off selling animals. A lot of things become "OK" but please don't throw in that because they are marine biologists it gives it more "weight." I've heard the opinion of a lot of "marine biologists" and it is sketchy. In the public aquarium field, they tend to avoid marine biologists because on average they know very little about keeping animals in captivity...I know because I had to battle this issue myself. Marine biology wasn't worth anything in that field.

You are correct that everyone is entitled to opinions. But the only "facts" come from ecology, behavior, and systematics (description of the animal, its adult size, diet, etc). There are no "facts" in terms of tank size either way, IMO. The only "fact" in a 125 would be that the animal, if it grows to adult size, would not be able to orient itself along the width of the tank (front to back) and that, IMO, would be an issue. So that is where opinion comes in to play. In my opinion, as a marine biologist , a footprint that allows the shark to be able to orient comfortably in any direction would be preferable and a circular pond ideal. Many of these sharks appear to be rather inactive - but in reality they are far more active at night."

Mad Max · 12/29/2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by username in use

IMO. The only "fact" in a 125 would be that the animal, if it grows to adult size, would not be able to orient itself along the width of the tank (front to back) and that, IMO, would be an issue. So that is where opinion comes in to play. In my opinion, as a marine biologist , a footprint that allows the shark to be able to orient comfortably in any direction would be preferable.

My tank is nearly 100 gallons larger than 125 gallon and it is wider than the shark is long so it can orient itself along the width of the tank.

dudley moray · 12/29/2009, 04:14 PM

ive seen live eggs for 40$ as for the fish i would shoot for the 75-150$ range your lfs might add a surcharge for special ordering though

widmer · 12/29/2009, 04:26 PM

Have you considered other large fish? I know some tangs get very big and I'm sure they would be infinitely more content with your aquarium than a shark. May I ask why you specifically want to keep a shark?

insane · 12/29/2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mad Max

I would appreciate it if you would stop hassling me about the tank size. I did my own research and have my own opinions. I do need help with finding out how much they are averagely sold for in a LFS. Cheers Max

If you didn't want hassled you shouldn't have posted your question and tank size in an online forum. Not everyone is going to pat you on the back. Some will actually disagree with you.

Some people also have their own opinions about putting Tangs in a 30g tank and they think that is ok too.

Llamaguy · 12/29/2009, 04:56 PM

The best tank I've ever seen for a shark is one of the large round water through, or even small swimming pools.

Mad Max · 12/29/2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by insane

If you didn't want hassled you shouldn't have posted your question and tank size in an online forum.

I just wanted to find out how much they cost, someone else brought up the tank. So, I will ask my question again, it may have been forgotten: How much have you seen Atelomycterus marmoratus in the stores for?

12/29/2009, 12:55 AM	#1
Mad Max Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 23	Cost of Coral Catshark I see that the wholesaler Quality Marine sells Atelomycterus marmoratus anyone know how much one would be through my LFS?

12/29/2009, 01:08 AM	#2
ERICinFL Rejisturd Mimbur Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brevard County, FL Posts: 1,346	Not sure, but check online, then ask your LFS. There are to many factors to list, that would dictate a price. Just make sure you have a VERY LARGE tank to put it in if you get one. They require a lot of room to move, a soft, fine substrate and you're limited to a short list of tank mates that it won't eat. __________________ Ummmm... yeah... don't touch the Mag Float. Sorry kids, your college fund is gone, but the tank looks SWEET right? Current Tank Info: 150gal mixed reef. ER CS135, 65gal sump/fuge with a Mag12 return. (2) Korillia 4s, (1) modded MJ1200, two SunSun 3200gph powerheads. 250+lbs LR.

12/29/2009, 01:24 AM	#5
ERICinFL Rejisturd Mimbur Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brevard County, FL Posts: 1,346	I'd imagine they'd go for $100-$200 depending on the size. Anything Saltwater might have one. I looked into getting a shark one time and they had a few for sale. Just keep in mind, they'll grow to about 24-27in. and they'll think the Chromis are delicious. __________________ Ummmm... yeah... don't touch the Mag Float. Sorry kids, your college fund is gone, but the tank looks SWEET right? Current Tank Info: 150gal mixed reef. ER CS135, 65gal sump/fuge with a Mag12 return. (2) Korillia 4s, (1) modded MJ1200, two SunSun 3200gph powerheads. 250+lbs LR.

12/29/2009, 02:03 AM	#10
ERICinFL Rejisturd Mimbur Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Brevard County, FL Posts: 1,346	What are the dimensions of your tank? __________________ Ummmm... yeah... don't touch the Mag Float. Sorry kids, your college fund is gone, but the tank looks SWEET right? Current Tank Info: 150gal mixed reef. ER CS135, 65gal sump/fuge with a Mag12 return. (2) Korillia 4s, (1) modded MJ1200, two SunSun 3200gph powerheads. 250+lbs LR.

12/29/2009, 07:14 AM	#14
username in use Sciencing Daily Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,560	Are you going to have absolutely no rock in the tank? If the answer is no, than you need a bigger tank. The problem with minimum tank sizes is that they are meant as a bare minimum in that it would be species only with no rockwork so that the fish could utilize all the room. For every inch of rock that you add, you need to add an inch or two if tank size. In other words, you only have a big enough tank if its empty, and thats not very nice looking. __________________ Joshua "With fronds like these, who needs anemones?" - Albert Einstein Current Tank Info: multiple nano's sprinkled around the house

12/29/2009, 01:16 AM	#3
Mad Max Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 23	I have a tank that's almost 100 gallons larger than the recommended size for one, and the only other tank mates will be a school of 15 or so chromis. I have not been able to find any online store that sells this particular shark. So I am really down to a LFS, but before I ask them to order me one I want to find out what other places are selling them for so they don't take advantage of me.

12/29/2009, 01:23 AM	#4
Jim96SC2 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 311	Reccomended size isn't what you go by when dealing with sharks and rays. You need to account for their size vs. footprint. Minimally you want a tank 6x longer and 3x wider then the adult size.

12/29/2009, 01:29 AM	#6
Mad Max Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 23	Atelomycterus marmoratus unlike requiem shark does not need that amount of space. The tank its going in is 3x longer and 1.5x wider than the shark, more than enough space for this little bottom dweller.

12/29/2009, 02:07 AM	#11
Mad Max Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 23	72' long 30" wide 24" high

12/29/2009, 02:55 PM	#16
username in use Sciencing Daily Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,560	They should still have somewhere to hide, like a cave or some rocks that they can be behind and not be seen to make them more comfortable. Even if you epoxy some soft boulder type rocks together so they're not jagged, to give the shark something. I mean, do you want to live in a bare room with people staring at you, or would you at the very least like a room divider to get behind once in a while. __________________ Joshua "With fronds like these, who needs anemones?" - Albert Einstein Current Tank Info: multiple nano's sprinkled around the house

12/29/2009, 03:22 PM	#17
nikon187 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Edmonton Alberta Posts: 4,717	a 100 g tank is not big enough long term, no matter what you read in a book. If you have ever seen one of these animals at full size you would understand the size constraints. Minimum tank size i would look at would be in the 300-400g range. __________________ ----------------- Current Tanks: New 210 custom 84 x 24 x 24, 60g sump, SWC 250 extreme with bubble blaster 5000, 2 vortech mp40, 2 vortech mp10, 12 T5, Water blaster 5000, warner marine bio pellets, 60g clownfish cube, red carpet anemone with a 25g sump,SRO octopus 1000sss, 250w radium, lumenarc large.

12/29/2009, 03:51 PM	#18
Mad Max Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 23	It is too late for me to change I already bought my custom 72' 30" 24" acrylic tank. I am keeping the shark in a tank much larger than recommended size. I do not understand why you would doubt Robert Fenner this is what is web site says about him. Robert (Bob) Fenner has "lived" the science, hobby and business of aquatics in the Philippines, Japan and United States. All phases; collector, wholesale, jobber, retail, design, construction and maintenance. All levels; manager, owner, hatchery worker, retail clerk, technician. Except for a stint teaching high school sciences for four years, he has worked all his life in the field of ornamental aquatics. Academic experience includes eleven years of college, a couple of life science degrees and a teaching credential for chemistry, physics and biology. Published works include several studies on aquatic biological and chemical questions, and an extensive publishing and photographic background in the industry and hobby of aquatics. Have taught High School sciences and Marine Sciences and Aquariology courses at the State University, University of California levels. Bob has been an avid aquatic hobbyist since day one and is active in hobbyist and scientific organizations. He has served on numerous Boards, judged shows and given many programs. Helped form and run (President) of the employee-owned corporation, Nature Etc., Inc. in San Diego, started in 1973; a turn-key operation in the field of ornamental aquatics, designing and building ponds, lakes, fountains and waterfalls (Aquatic Environments), designing, installing custom aquarium systems and maintenance (Aquatic Life Services), and operating retail outlets (Wet Pets).... currently does consulting, content provision to the trade, sciences and hobby of aquaristics. I would appreciate it if you would stop hassling me about the tank size. I did my own research and have my own opinions. I do need help with finding out how much they are averagely sold for in a LFS. Cheers Max

12/29/2009, 04:03 PM	#19
username in use Sciencing Daily Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,560	This is from another forum where people were debating the same thing and referenced the same book and this was an interesting response that you should seriously consider. "I am a marine biologist by training, and I would never put one in a 125, assuming a standard footprint. Marine biologists are prone to the same drawbacks that come with making money off selling animals. A lot of things become "OK" but please don't throw in that because they are marine biologists it gives it more "weight." I've heard the opinion of a lot of "marine biologists" and it is sketchy. In the public aquarium field, they tend to avoid marine biologists because on average they know very little about keeping animals in captivity...I know because I had to battle this issue myself. Marine biology wasn't worth anything in that field. You are correct that everyone is entitled to opinions. But the only "facts" come from ecology, behavior, and systematics (description of the animal, its adult size, diet, etc). There are no "facts" in terms of tank size either way, IMO. The only "fact" in a 125 would be that the animal, if it grows to adult size, would not be able to orient itself along the width of the tank (front to back) and that, IMO, would be an issue. So that is where opinion comes in to play. In my opinion, as a marine biologist , a footprint that allows the shark to be able to orient comfortably in any direction would be preferable and a circular pond ideal. Many of these sharks appear to be rather inactive - but in reality they are far more active at night." __________________ Joshua "With fronds like these, who needs anemones?" - Albert Einstein Current Tank Info: multiple nano's sprinkled around the house

12/29/2009, 04:14 PM	#21
dudley moray sisternofuselessknowledge Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: orillia ontario Posts: 795	ive seen live eggs for 40$ as for the fish i would shoot for the 75-150$ range your lfs might add a surcharge for special ordering though __________________ We urge hobbyists to develop a good 'BS' detector that will allow you to question information presented to you without any experimental evidence to support it. chris Current Tank Info: 90 gal south pacific biotope 40 gal sump/fuge ,65 gal rebuilding

12/29/2009, 04:26 PM	#22
widmer Drug Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 2,958	Have you considered other large fish? I know some tangs get very big and I'm sure they would be infinitely more content with your aquarium than a shark. May I ask why you specifically want to keep a shark?

12/29/2009, 04:56 PM	#24
Llamaguy Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 115	The best tank I've ever seen for a shark is one of the large round water through, or even small swimming pools.