Do filter socks catch ich?

[Nexenn]

Anyone know? I'm running both 100 and 200 micro socks.... those are pretty small holes, I'm wondering if they catch the free floating form of ich?

[nikon187]

highly doughtful

[ajolie30]

buy yourself a diatom filter they catch the free swimmimg stage of ich buy yourself a good supply of diatom powder and u will be all set change the filter every 4 to 5 days recharge it with fresh diatom powder they work wonders aquarium guys have them the cheapest

[TitusvileSurfer]

Not all of the bugs will be sucked into your overflow. It only takes a very small amount to infect your fish and establish a population. You may catch some of the problem with a diatom filter but...does it really matter?

[pledosophy]

My quarantine tanks catch all of it.

[TitusvileSurfer]

well said

[Anthonius]

all tanks have ich... you will never filter this out and if it was even remotely possible we would all do it and ich would be a thing of the past. the reality is if you fish get stressed they will get ich. all you can do is practice good husbandry and qt your fish for awhile to make sure they are healthy enough to risk putting into your display tank.

[davidchmaus]

Originally Posted by Anthonius

all tanks have ich... you will never filter this out and if it was even remotely possible we would all do it and ich would be a thing of the past. the reality is if you fish get stressed they will get ich. all you can do is practice good husbandry and qt your fish for awhile to make sure they are healthy enough to risk putting into your display tank.

Not true...

[discocarp]

Originally Posted by pledosophy

My quarantine tanks catch all of it.

+1, exactly right.

[Masoch]

Originally Posted by Anthonius

all tanks have ich... you will never filter this out and if it was even remotely possible we would all do it and ich would be a thing of the past. the reality is if you fish get stressed they will get ich. all you can do is practice good husbandry and qt your fish for awhile to make sure they are healthy enough to risk putting into your display tank.

But, seriously, this is one of the nastiest myths in the hobby.

Ich is freakin' easy to treat in a QT with Cupramine. Ich /requires/ a fish host otherwise its life cycle gets interrupted and it dies off.

A tank left fishless for 6 weeks, simply, will not have ich.

Fish treated properly with Cupramine in a QT for 2 weeks will not have ich.

[discocarp]

But, seriously, this is one of the nastiest myths in the hobby.

Ich is freakin' easy to treat in a QT with Cupramine. Ich /requires/ a fish host otherwise its life cycle gets interrupted and it dies off.

A tank left fishless for 6 weeks, simply, will not have ich.

Fish treated properly with Cupramine in a QT for 2 weeks will not have ich.

Agree 100%.

Hyposalinity and tank transfer are 2 other proven methods to treat ich. These 2 or copper are the ONLY methods to eradicate it with certainty.

[davidchmaus]

Originally Posted by masoch

but, seriously, this is one of the nastiest myths in the hobby.

Ich is freakin' easy to treat in a qt with cupramine. Ich /requires/ a fish host otherwise its life cycle gets interrupted and it dies off.

A tank left fishless for 6 weeks, simply, will not have ich.

Fish treated properly with cupramine in a qt for 2 weeks will not have ich.

+1

[glaukos]

but what about the healthy fish in the tank?
the ones that show absolutely no sign of ick!?

must they also be q/ted?
how will the ick in them be killed since they don't hatch(ick)?

nexenn i think you will have better luck running a uv to kill the floating ick

[davidchmaus]

Originally Posted by glaukos

but what about the healthy fish in the tank?
the ones that show absolutely no sign of ick!?

must they also be q/ted?
how will the ick in them be killed since they don't hatch(ick)?

nexenn i think you will have better luck running a uv to kill the floating ick

Yes all fish will have to be Qt.. Main tank 6 weeks with no fish. UV wont rid a tank of ich.

[Masoch]

Originally Posted by glaukos

but what about the healthy fish in the tank?
the ones that show absolutely no sign of ick!?

must they also be q/ted?
how will the ick in them be killed since they don't hatch(ick)?

nexenn i think you will have better luck running a uv to kill the floating ick

Ich attacks the gills first -- unless you take scrapings of your fishes' gills and and have a look at the scrapings under a microscope, you simply can't say whether or not your fish have ich. Most likely, if one fish in your system has ich, they /all/ do, just at a threshold that isn't showing any obvious signs of infection. If you remove one fish to a QT, you can rid that fish of ich. When you put that fish back into the DT, it will, mostly likely, again be re-infected.

Ich has a cycle it /must/ go through. Period. When the parasite leaves the fish (10 to 14 days after attaching), it can be killed by Cupramine. UV will NOT rid a tank of ich since ich is comparatively big to the algae most UV sterilizers are made to destroy. Even if you get an appropriately-sized UV, it's unlikely that all the parasites will pass through it before they either land on your fish on the substrate, depending on what point in their lifecycle they're on.

UV /might/ control ich, i.e., keep it from getting much worse, but it won't eliminate the parasite from a tank. I've read enough posts from people who've watched all their fish get wiped out by ich after installing a UV to be absolutely certain that UV is not particularly effective at removing ich.

The only cures for ich are leaving a DT fishless for 6 weeks and treating your fish not-reef-safe methods in a QT.

[discocarp]

Masoch is giving great advice. All fish must be treated with copper, hyposalinity, or tank transfer method. UV will not stop ich. The main display must be kept fishless for at least 6 weeks. New additions must be properly quarantined.

[glaukos]

thanks for the answers guys!

[jenglish]

Originally Posted by discocarp

Masoch is giving great advice. All fish must be treated with copper, hyposalinity, or tank transfer method. UV will not stop ich. The main display must be kept fishless for at least 6 weeks. New additions must be properly quarantined.

x10

[Nexenn]

Originally Posted by glaukos

nexenn i think you will have better luck running a uv to kill the floating ick

Yeah, I bought a UV, just not sure if I should put it in my sump past the filter sock or have it pumped straight from the display.

I'm aware the QT is the only effective way to eliminate ich. That wasn't what I asked in the thread. The thread is titled "DO FILTER SOCKS CATCH ICH?" All other debates should be left to another thread please.

I have a 90 gallon tank with 30g Sump that is fully stocked tank in terms of fish and plenty of coral. Trying to get the fish out and in a Quarantine Tank for 8 weeks is ridiculous IMO. It would take an additional 90 gallon full of hiding spots to not stress the crap out of them and I dont have space, time resources etc.

[discocarp]

Then you might as well just ignore the ich. You'll get the same result you'd get with a filter sock and UV. I'm sorry you don't like the answers provided, but that doesn't change the fact that they are the correct answers.

[Nexenn]

Originally Posted by discocarp

Then you might as well just ignore the ich. You'll get the same result you'd get with a filter sock and UV. I'm sorry you don't like the answers provided, but that doesn't change the fact that they are the correct answers.

lol none of them answered my question. If someone said 2+2=4 then it would be correct but wouldn't help me any either. The question is NOT how to eliminate ich from my tank but rather if a filter sock has small enough pores to catch free floating forms of ich. I'm just curious about it, like I've already stated, I'm fully aware of effective ways to eliminate ich from my tank so please stick to the topic asked which I guess needs to be repeated again.

Is the size of the free floating form of ich greater than or less than 100 microns?

if you dont have an answer to this or you just want to comment about how other posts are correct statements that dont address the actual question at hand then please dont post

Thanks

[Masoch]

Why not google "c. irritans micron"?

[SkyPapa]

Originally Posted by Masoch

Why not google "c. irritans micron"?

So, just reading the headers of my google page, a 100 micron sock will catch some of the trophonts as they seem to range from apx. 70-350 microns.

[Metal Man 1221]

oh dear here comes the political arguements, ich seems to be a very controversial topic

[discocarp]

Theronts are what you would need to catch and they are 25um by 60um on average. And of course, that assumes they all actually go into the overflow.

http://atj.net.au/marineaquaria/marineich.html