where can i find a pump like this

agreeive?fish · 04/02/2010, 06:21 PM

Where can i find a saltwater safe pump that will pump a decent flow rate thru 50 head foot MINIMUM (combination of horizontal and verticle and slanted)..i want to build a huge sump/refuge of aprox 1000-1800g in a some what basment and connect all my tanks to a common sump... the only hold back is finding a pump..seperate pumps for each tank is fine

new2salt09 · 04/02/2010, 07:16 PM

horazontial realy is not an issue very little head lose
verticle is what you need to worry about

drshdow · 04/02/2010, 07:23 PM

probably have to go with a pool pump

agreeive?fish · 04/02/2010, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drshdow

probably have to go with a pool pump

do they make pool pumps that would withstand the SG of a full marine tank..i know they have salt water swimming pools but i dont know how salty they are

bhammer · 04/02/2010, 08:23 PM

I think you will have to look into some of the Iwaki or Blueline pumps. You will probably need multiple pumps to make it work. Also, is it a true 35' verticle rise?

agreeive?fish · 04/02/2010, 08:47 PM

nope one section would be about a 6foot verticle then about 35-40 ft horizontal then another 6ft verticle

agreeive?fish · 04/03/2010, 07:00 AM

weekend bump..time to find a pump as the whole project hinges on finding the correct pump(s)..with out the pumps its worthless

Sisterlimonpot · 04/03/2010, 09:27 AM

Have you checked out RC's Head Loss Calculator? it has different pump selections so can can see how/if they will work for your application.

Playa-1 · 04/03/2010, 11:42 AM

I agree, Check out the Head loss Calculator and compare. Some of the pump selections are a bit dated, but it gives you a good starting point.

agreeive?fish · 04/03/2010, 02:31 PM

I did a test run with some back woods creative engineering.... i put the kids swimming pool down in the sump area.. hooked up my spare mag 24 to a 50ft water hose and ran the hose as if i was plumming the tank except for i did it around the exterior of the house rather than under the house..believe it or not my mag 24 did it.. i cant get the rc calculator to work but i did find the app for the calculator and ran diffrent setups.. for the set up i want to do each mag 24 would push me about 400gph..so to mag 24 on each folwr tank would give me about 800gph plus in tank power heads...

this was a fresh water test into buckets stacked up high on the front porch and iam sure passbyers and neighbors wondered what the heck is going on

Sisterlimonpot · 04/03/2010, 02:48 PM

sounds about right, My mag18 is a beast so I can imagine what the 24 will do.

bhammer · 04/03/2010, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by agreeive?fish

I did a test run with some back woods creative engineering.... i put the kids swimming pool down in the sump area.. hooked up my spare mag 24 to a 50ft water hose and ran the hose as if i was plumming the tank except for i did it around the exterior of the house rather than under the house..believe it or not my mag 24 did it.. i cant get the rc calculator to work but i did find the app for the calculator and ran diffrent setups.. for the set up i want to do each mag 24 would push me about 400gph..so to mag 24 on each folwr tank would give me about 800gph plus in tank power heads...

this was a fresh water test into buckets stacked up high on the front porch and iam sure passbyers and neighbors wondered what the heck is going on

Don't forget though that your hose will decrease the 90 and 45 degree bends, couplers and all the other fittings you will use with PVC pipe which will contribute to your head loss quite a bit.

agreeive?fish · 04/03/2010, 04:27 PM

Iam not going to run pvc.. iam runnig hose because i dont want to drill thru the foundation under the support wall and flex hose is a lot easier to route around the support wall foundation than hard pipeing...and a lot gentler turns

agreeive?fish · 04/04/2010, 07:59 AM

sunday morning bump for any other ideas..happy easter egg hunting

tspors · 04/04/2010, 08:12 AM

What are you calling decent flow rate?
I run this in my basement
Gen-X PCX-150
2250 gph
Head 41.25'
1" MPT / 1" MPT

new2salt09 · 04/04/2010, 08:15 AM

happy hunting to you also
the only problem i see with the mags is they like there power.
if you can use a externial look at reflow snapper 18 or the dalphin pumps

agreeive?fish · 04/04/2010, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by new2salt09

happy hunting to you also
the only problem i see with the mags is they like there power.
if you can use a externial look at reflow snapper 18 or the dalphin pumps

my house is 110% electric.. so my electric company loves me each month..lol

Mike31154 · 04/04/2010, 07:59 PM

Panworld PS series are pressure biased external pumps designed for high head applications. Check the performance curves on the link provided below. Note that the numbers at the bottom of the graphs are in G.P.M., that's gallons per minute, so you'll have to multiply by 60 to get G.P.H. An NH-300PS will push water to over 80 ft of head pressure. I suspect an NH-200PS will be more than enough for your needs. I have a lightly used NH-150PS for a planned build with a basement sump. I reckon my head loss will be in the order of 11 to 16 feet. The 150PS will deliver close to 500 G.P.H. at just under 20ft of head pressure.

http://www.panworldamericas.com/PSseries.html

Playa-1 · 04/04/2010, 09:14 PM

Larger hose or pipe will reduce friction and increase gph. You can play around with that on the headloss calculator to see what I mean. It would be a rare install that I would run a hose thru a house for such an install. Hoses can be chewed thru, holes rubed into them over time, kinks that restrict flow etc... PVC would be a better option in my opinion.

04/02/2010, 06:21 PM	#1
agreeive?fish Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,803	where can i find a pump like this Where can i find a saltwater safe pump that will pump a decent flow rate thru 50 head foot MINIMUM (combination of horizontal and verticle and slanted)..i want to build a huge sump/refuge of aprox 1000-1800g in a some what basment and connect all my tanks to a common sump... the only hold back is finding a pump..seperate pumps for each tank is fine Last edited by agreeive?fish; 04/02/2010 at 06:45 PM. Reason: to correct minum head hieght

04/02/2010, 07:23 PM	#3
drshdow Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 75	probably have to go with a pool pump __________________ (1) Blue Hippos Tang 3" (2) Cinnamon Clowns 2.5" (2) Engineer Goby 6" (1) Damsel 1" (1) Peppermint Shrimp A few Blue and Scarlet Hermits Zoas, Kenya Trees, Torch Current Tank Info: 100G, 55G sump/fuge, Mag24, T5's, 150lbs LR, 1"sandbed

04/03/2010, 09:27 AM	#8
Sisterlimonpot R.C. Fraternity President Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Litchfeild Park AZ Posts: 11,490 Blog Entries: 2	Have you checked out RC's Head Loss Calculator? it has different pump selections so can can see how/if they will work for your application. __________________ Jimmy MASVC President Dishes are done man! Current Tank Info: 300 in progress

04/03/2010, 02:48 PM	#11
Sisterlimonpot R.C. Fraternity President Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Litchfeild Park AZ Posts: 11,490 Blog Entries: 2	sounds about right, My mag18 is a beast so I can imagine what the 24 will do. __________________ Jimmy MASVC President Dishes are done man! Current Tank Info: 300 in progress

04/04/2010, 08:12 AM	#15
tspors Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Appleton, WI. USA Posts: 774	What are you calling decent flow rate? I run this in my basement Gen-X PCX-150 2250 gph Head 41.25' 1" MPT / 1" MPT __________________ Everything is Good with Moderation. Current Tank Info: 150 Gal Oceanic, 30g Sump, Gen-X PCX-150 2250 gph, Red Sea Clasic Turbo Skimmer, 18w Turbo Twist UV, Ocean Clear Filter w/live rock, Several Buckets,

04/02/2010, 07:16 PM	#2
new2salt09 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: mt. morris mi Posts: 90	horazontial realy is not an issue very little head lose verticle is what you need to worry about

04/02/2010, 08:23 PM	#5
bhammer Addicted User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 743	I think you will have to look into some of the Iwaki or Blueline pumps. You will probably need multiple pumps to make it work. Also, is it a true 35' verticle rise?

04/02/2010, 08:47 PM	#6
agreeive?fish Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,803	nope one section would be about a 6foot verticle then about 35-40 ft horizontal then another 6ft verticle

04/03/2010, 07:00 AM	#7
agreeive?fish Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,803	weekend bump..time to find a pump as the whole project hinges on finding the correct pump(s)..with out the pumps its worthless

04/03/2010, 11:42 AM	#9
Playa-1 Moved On Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA Posts: 7,497	I agree, Check out the Head loss Calculator and compare. Some of the pump selections are a bit dated, but it gives you a good starting point.

04/03/2010, 02:31 PM	#10
agreeive?fish Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,803	I did a test run with some back woods creative engineering.... i put the kids swimming pool down in the sump area.. hooked up my spare mag 24 to a 50ft water hose and ran the hose as if i was plumming the tank except for i did it around the exterior of the house rather than under the house..believe it or not my mag 24 did it.. i cant get the rc calculator to work but i did find the app for the calculator and ran diffrent setups.. for the set up i want to do each mag 24 would push me about 400gph..so to mag 24 on each folwr tank would give me about 800gph plus in tank power heads... this was a fresh water test into buckets stacked up high on the front porch and iam sure passbyers and neighbors wondered what the heck is going on

04/03/2010, 04:27 PM	#13
agreeive?fish Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,803	Iam not going to run pvc.. iam runnig hose because i dont want to drill thru the foundation under the support wall and flex hose is a lot easier to route around the support wall foundation than hard pipeing...and a lot gentler turns

04/04/2010, 07:59 AM	#14
agreeive?fish Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 3,803	sunday morning bump for any other ideas..happy easter egg hunting

04/04/2010, 08:15 AM	#16
new2salt09 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: mt. morris mi Posts: 90	happy hunting to you also the only problem i see with the mags is they like there power. if you can use a externial look at reflow snapper 18 or the dalphin pumps

04/04/2010, 07:59 PM	#18
Mike31154 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 1,555	Panworld PS series are pressure biased external pumps designed for high head applications. Check the performance curves on the link provided below. Note that the numbers at the bottom of the graphs are in G.P.M., that's gallons per minute, so you'll have to multiply by 60 to get G.P.H. An NH-300PS will push water to over 80 ft of head pressure. I suspect an NH-200PS will be more than enough for your needs. I have a lightly used NH-150PS for a planned build with a basement sump. I reckon my head loss will be in the order of 11 to 16 feet. The 150PS will deliver close to 500 G.P.H. at just under 20ft of head pressure. http://www.panworldamericas.com/PSseries.html __________________ Mike Current Tank Info: 77g sumpless sw with rock, sand, a few critters, fishes & polyps. Lights, pumps..... Last edited by Mike31154; 04/04/2010 at 08:10 PM.

04/04/2010, 09:14 PM	#19
Playa-1 Moved On Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA Posts: 7,497	Larger hose or pipe will reduce friction and increase gph. You can play around with that on the headloss calculator to see what I mean. It would be a rare install that I would run a hose thru a house for such an install. Hoses can be chewed thru, holes rubed into them over time, kinks that restrict flow etc... PVC would be a better option in my opinion. Last edited by Playa-1; 04/04/2010 at 09:20 PM.