How long until a tank is fully established?

samdaman · 07/18/2010, 05:08 PM

I have a 50 Gal Tank, I currently have 2 ocellaris in it. It's been running give or take two months. What recommended establishing period do you suggest, a couple more months, I want it to be ready obviously, but i am not going to risk a "delicate" fiishs life for my urge! Thanks

chimmike · 07/18/2010, 05:14 PM

well, what are your tank parameters?
we can't tell you anything just based on time period. the fact that you already have two clownfish living in it means it's probably not tooo bad.

You definitely either need to take the water to get tested at your LFS, or purchase some test kits: ammonia, nitrate, nitrite, phosphates.

shifty51008 · 07/18/2010, 05:14 PM

established can mean diff. things to diff. people. some say 8-12 months is good and others say if you can keep all your parameters from jumping around and keep everything very stable then that is established. for me I go with both

samdaman · 07/18/2010, 05:19 PM

I mean established, not Cycled, Mine is already cycled. But you know how people say "don't add anemones until its established for more than 6 months" and stuff like that... I was just wondering which would be an appropriate amount.

Tuscaquatics · 07/18/2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by samdaman

I mean established, not Cycled, Mine is already cycled. But you know how people say "don't add anemones until its established for more than 6 months" and stuff like that... I was just wondering which would be an appropriate amount.

6 months. LOL. For an anemone or SPS, I'd say 6 months of consistent perfect water quality, at least. If you show that you can keep your parameters where they need to be without swings, then you can keep an anemone.

King_Richard · 07/19/2010, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuscaquatics

6 months. LOL. For an anemone or SPS, I'd say 6 months of consistent perfect water quality, at least. If you show that you can keep your parameters where they need to be without swings, then you can keep an anemone.

I agree with this. Especially if your just starting out in this hobby.

Just look at as a time to research them and find the one that you want to keep.

Palting · 07/19/2010, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samdaman

I mean established, not Cycled, Mine is already cycled. But you know how people say "don't add anemones until its established for more than 6 months" and stuff like that... I was just wondering which would be an appropriate amount.

NEVER.

The tank parameters need to be stable, as should be the owner with regular routines, then maybe, just maybe, you can call it established. Who knows when that is going to be. And like a lot of old sayings, like "Don't add mandarin until the tank is established", sayings are just rule of thumb. I've had a mandarin as one of my first citizens, 2 weeks into the cycle in fact (ignorance is bliss

), and it's been 4 months and he is fat and happy.

Chris27 · 07/19/2010, 07:46 AM

It really depends on how the tank was set up. If you set up the tank using well cured rock in the order of 1-2 lbs per gallon, real live sand, and some well populated macro algae, the tank is mature in a matter of days. If you used bagged sand and dry rock, the tank won't be mature for some time - possibly a year.

An established mature tank is a varied ecosystem that mimics the conditions found in nature, we can do it, quite easily in fact, but you need to do your homework.

James605 · 07/19/2010, 08:06 AM

i would say wait long as you can... Like others have said, just make sure are levels are constant.

zachfishman · 07/19/2010, 10:03 AM

When you first have to scrape coralline algae, you're ready for the initial, hardier corals.

outy · 07/19/2010, 11:30 AM

i like Cris and Zachs statements lol there pretty close to realityl.

PATIENTs bud, your finished cycling and you brely have enough benifcial bacteria to keep your tank alive.

its takes time, allot of time. Biggets mistake new people make is rushing into things when there in your exact spot in the hobby.

for me ill say a year as well.

what you dont know is you have a diatom algea bloom headed your way plus a HA following that. your hands are about to be full. sit back and relax and gain knowledge at this point

samdaman · 07/19/2010, 06:31 PM

Yeah i know, i didn't plan to rush this. Im going to take my time. And i don't plan to get an anemone that was just an example haha. I did start out with LR and bagged sand. The only other things i do have in there are some zoas and 2 Kenya trees, those came with the LR.. Ill wait out a year before i add more stuff then. Thanks For all the advice. And Outy, i already have the diatom algae bloom xD

muttley000 · 07/19/2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by zachfishman

When you first have to scrape coralline algae, you're ready for the initial, hardier corals.

Quoted for Truth! This is a great indicator you are ready for corals.

King_Richard · 07/19/2010, 09:45 PM

Once your diatom break out goes away and you start getting the coraline (zachfishman nailed it there) and you have a understanding of your water chemistry and if your kenya's and zoa's are still alive in 2-3 months from now you should be able to start adding more corals then. There are exceptions but that usually comes with experience, it's also partly knowing which corals are hardier and being able to id healthy ones.

It shouldn't take a year unless your after some really delicate corals.

ninjamini · 07/20/2010, 12:21 AM

Established is when you have several fish added over time and none dye.

Established is when your zoos and leathers grow too big and you have to give it away.

Established is when your LPS gets color that you post online and experienced people ooh over.

Established is when your SPS grows and opens to sway in the waves.

Dont skip any steps here and you will do fine.

samdaman · 07/20/2010, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninjamini

Established is when you have several fish added over time and none dye.

Established is when your zoos and leathers grow too big and you have to give it away.

Established is when your LPS gets color that you post online and experienced people ooh over.

Established is when your SPS grows and opens to sway in the waves.

Dont skip any steps here and you will do fine.

Sounds good, i will follow all your advice guys, thanks!

Palting · 07/20/2010, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninjamini

Established is when you have several fish added over time and none dye.

Established is when your zoos and leathers grow too big and you have to give it away.

Established is when your LPS gets color that you post online and experienced people ooh over.

Established is when your SPS grows and opens to sway in the waves.

Dont skip any steps here and you will do fine.

Best one yet!

mthomp · 07/20/2010, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by samdaman

Yeah i know, i didn't plan to rush this. Im going to take my time. And i don't plan to get an anemone that was just an example haha. I did start out with LR and bagged sand. The only other things i do have in there are some zoas and 2 Kenya trees, those came with the LR.. Ill wait out a year before i add more stuff then. Thanks For all the advice. And Outy, i already have the diatom algae bloom xD

you dont need to wait a yr, just do things as you feel comfortable.

you will know when you are ready for this or that. do not rush, do your research, and ask plenty of questions. Also find A LFS you trust, and even then do not trust everything they tell you.

MCary · 07/20/2010, 08:58 AM

I've put anemones and sps in aquariums as little as 6 months and have great luck. I'm not sure what established means. Once the system has cycled the water should be okay. There are things like beneficial organisms and baterial colonization that developes better over time. I think the aquarist needs to be established. It takes a little time to learn and understand all you need to know. Your setup always need to be tweaked. You need to almost become a chemist.

07/18/2010, 05:08 PM	#1
samdaman Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 1,407	How long until a tank is fully established? I have a 50 Gal Tank, I currently have 2 ocellaris in it. It's been running give or take two months. What recommended establishing period do you suggest, a couple more months, I want it to be ready obviously, but i am not going to risk a "delicate" fiishs life for my urge! Thanks

07/18/2010, 05:14 PM	#2
chimmike oxygen abuser Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Parrish, FL Posts: 5,089 Blog Entries: 2	well, what are your tank parameters? we can't tell you anything just based on time period. the fact that you already have two clownfish living in it means it's probably not tooo bad. You definitely either need to take the water to get tested at your LFS, or purchase some test kits: ammonia, nitrate, nitrite, phosphates. __________________ -Mike Tankless wonder Geaux Noles!

07/19/2010, 10:03 AM	#10
zachfishman Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St Petersburg, FL Posts: 3,577	When you first have to scrape coralline algae, you're ready for the initial, hardier corals. __________________ Patience is a reefer's best tool. Secret Xenia lover. M.S. Marine Biology Staff - Marine Discovery Center, St. Petersburg FL Tampa Bay Reef Club BOD 2018 Current Tank Info: 34g modded Solana

07/19/2010, 09:45 PM	#14
King_Richard Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Pensacola FL Posts: 235	Once your diatom break out goes away and you start getting the coraline (zachfishman nailed it there) and you have a understanding of your water chemistry and if your kenya's and zoa's are still alive in 2-3 months from now you should be able to start adding more corals then. There are exceptions but that usually comes with experience, it's also partly knowing which corals are hardier and being able to id healthy ones. It shouldn't take a year unless your after some really delicate corals. __________________ "I know where I'm going, just don't know how I'm getting there" 60g Cube>50g Sump\Cube Algae Scrubber:) 6" DSB:) Live Rock:) Caulerpa :) and nothing else!

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07/18/2010, 05:14 PM	#3
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	established can mean diff. things to diff. people. some say 8-12 months is good and others say if you can keep all your parameters from jumping around and keep everything very stable then that is established. for me I go with both

07/18/2010, 05:19 PM	#4
samdaman Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 1,407	I mean established, not Cycled, Mine is already cycled. But you know how people say "don't add anemones until its established for more than 6 months" and stuff like that... I was just wondering which would be an appropriate amount.

07/19/2010, 07:46 AM	#8
Chris27 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 4,452	It really depends on how the tank was set up. If you set up the tank using well cured rock in the order of 1-2 lbs per gallon, real live sand, and some well populated macro algae, the tank is mature in a matter of days. If you used bagged sand and dry rock, the tank won't be mature for some time - possibly a year. An established mature tank is a varied ecosystem that mimics the conditions found in nature, we can do it, quite easily in fact, but you need to do your homework.

07/19/2010, 08:06 AM	#9
James605 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 68	i would say wait long as you can... Like others have said, just make sure are levels are constant.

07/19/2010, 11:30 AM	#11
outy Moved On Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: auburn CA Posts: 4,021	i like Cris and Zachs statements lol there pretty close to realityl. PATIENTs bud, your finished cycling and you brely have enough benifcial bacteria to keep your tank alive. its takes time, allot of time. Biggets mistake new people make is rushing into things when there in your exact spot in the hobby. for me ill say a year as well. what you dont know is you have a diatom algea bloom headed your way plus a HA following that. your hands are about to be full. sit back and relax and gain knowledge at this point

07/19/2010, 06:31 PM	#12
samdaman Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 1,407	Yeah i know, i didn't plan to rush this. Im going to take my time. And i don't plan to get an anemone that was just an example haha. I did start out with LR and bagged sand. The only other things i do have in there are some zoas and 2 Kenya trees, those came with the LR.. Ill wait out a year before i add more stuff then. Thanks For all the advice. And Outy, i already have the diatom algae bloom xD

07/20/2010, 12:21 AM	#15
ninjamini Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Davie, FL Posts: 2,306	Established is when you have several fish added over time and none dye. Established is when your zoos and leathers grow too big and you have to give it away. Established is when your LPS gets color that you post online and experienced people ooh over. Established is when your SPS grows and opens to sway in the waves. Dont skip any steps here and you will do fine.

07/20/2010, 08:58 AM	#19
MCary Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hardin, Montana Posts: 3,142	I've put anemones and sps in aquariums as little as 6 months and have great luck. I'm not sure what established means. Once the system has cycled the water should be okay. There are things like beneficial organisms and baterial colonization that developes better over time. I think the aquarist needs to be established. It takes a little time to learn and understand all you need to know. Your setup always need to be tweaked. You need to almost become a chemist.