Would this Sump work?

RG21 · 08/08/2010, 04:19 PM

if i have a glass aquarium, is it possible to fix baffles in as seen in this plan? i drew it up real quick i just wanted some suggestions. I want to filter a 55gal with it. please reply with any suggestions or comments, and how you think i should go about doing this, thank you.

uncleof6 · 08/08/2010, 04:42 PM

Of course it will "work." There are better more flexible designs however.

Jim

ddeneve · 08/08/2010, 07:08 PM

What is better and more flexible about the second design? The adjustable flow rate for the return and third chamber?

uncleof6 · 08/08/2010, 08:06 PM

Flow rate for the return section is set by the drain line flow rate, so is not adjustable till after the pump, which in turn sets the flow rate through the drains. Nothing different there really other than the return is in the middle section of the sump.

There is no advantage or need to have 100% of your water going through the "fuge" (in the middle in your drawing.) Moving the fuge to the end of the sump gives you the ability to separate the flow through the "fuge" from the main flow through the sump, (different flow rate) and the ability to take the "fuge" offline, without shutting down the whole system. It breaks the dependency of one on the other.

Jim

allactiondan · 08/08/2010, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncleof6

flow rate for the return section is set by the drain line flow rate, so is not adjustable till after the pump, which in turn sets the flow rate through the drains. Nothing different there really other than the return is in the middle section of the sump.

There is no advantage or need to have 100% of your water going through the "fuge" (in the middle in your drawing.) moving the fuge to the end of the sump gives you the ability to separate the flow through the "fuge" from the main flow through the sump, (different flow rate) and the ability to take the "fuge" offline, without shutting down the whole system. It breaks the dependency of one on the other.

Jim

+1

BTW nice CAD/sketchup drawing jim

RG21 · 08/08/2010, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncleof6

Flow rate for the return section is set by the drain line flow rate, so is not adjustable till after the pump, which in turn sets the flow rate through the drains. Nothing different there really other than the return is in the middle section of the sump.

There is no advantage or need to have 100% of your water going through the "fuge" (in the middle in your drawing.) Moving the fuge to the end of the sump gives you the ability to separate the flow through the "fuge" from the main flow through the sump, (different flow rate) and the ability to take the "fuge" offline, without shutting down the whole system. It breaks the dependency of one on the other.

Jim

so let me know if i have this straight: the return pump is moved to the middle chamber, where it pumps water INTO the refugium area, where it then overflows BACK into the middle chamber?
then this water is pumped up to the return lines and into the display?

i just want to make sure i get this thing working right..

thanks,

rg21

uncleof6 · 08/08/2010, 11:20 PM

Didn't I just answer that question?

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1888958

Yes that is how it works, it happens simultaneously. Bulk water movement is from tank > sump > tank. The "fuge" is treated as an "accessory"-- which it is.

Jim

08/08/2010, 04:42 PM	#2
uncleof6 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: AWOL Posts: 12,013	Of course it will "work." There are better more flexible designs however. Jim __________________ "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." (oft attributed to Einstein; most likely paraphrasing by Roger Sessions; compactly articulates the principle of Occam's Razor) Current Tank Info: 325 6' wide Reef

08/08/2010, 08:06 PM	#4
uncleof6 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: AWOL Posts: 12,013	Flow rate for the return section is set by the drain line flow rate, so is not adjustable till after the pump, which in turn sets the flow rate through the drains. Nothing different there really other than the return is in the middle section of the sump. There is no advantage or need to have 100% of your water going through the "fuge" (in the middle in your drawing.) Moving the fuge to the end of the sump gives you the ability to separate the flow through the "fuge" from the main flow through the sump, (different flow rate) and the ability to take the "fuge" offline, without shutting down the whole system. It breaks the dependency of one on the other. Jim __________________ "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." (oft attributed to Einstein; most likely paraphrasing by Roger Sessions; compactly articulates the principle of Occam's Razor) Current Tank Info: 325 6' wide Reef

08/08/2010, 11:20 PM	#7
uncleof6 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: AWOL Posts: 12,013	Didn't I just answer that question? http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1888958 Yes that is how it works, it happens simultaneously. Bulk water movement is from tank > sump > tank. The "fuge" is treated as an "accessory"-- which it is. Jim __________________ "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." (oft attributed to Einstein; most likely paraphrasing by Roger Sessions; compactly articulates the principle of Occam's Razor) Current Tank Info: 325 6' wide Reef

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