This is a shame

[JHall651]

Im not a global warming activist nor can I say I really believe in it (as far as man made). I feel this just happens and has been doing so since the beginning of earth. It's just a really shame to see its effects.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39282717...mes/?GT1=43001

[polwick]

"nor can I say I really believe in it (as far as man made). I feel this just happens and has been doing so since the beginning of earth."

Why is Reefcentral such a refuge for global warming deniers/skeptics? It makes me not want to come to these message boards. One would think that reefkeepers would be at the forefront of this issue.

[chrisfishs]

I agree 100% polwick, it's hard to imagine in this day and age that anybody in the reefkeeping community would deny global warming as a man made issue.

Now, I'm no hippie, but we really need to start thinking about our actions and their reprecussions

Edit: and btw feelings have nothing to do with recorded facts, such as CO2 readings and antarctic ice core samples

[tidepool2]

When coral reefs were thriving and glaciers were intact there weren't 7 billion humans on the planet. With all the planes, the concrete, the cars, the trucks, the factories with plumes of smoke and chemicals being released into the atmosphere...how can anyone deny that we humans are escalating the problem?

[Eurobeaner]

I don't believe in it either. In the 4 billion years the earth has been Here, there has been numerous temperature swings. Don't get me wrong, pollution sucks, and when you go the mountains and you can't see the beautiful landscape because of pollution, it's sad. But I'm not convinced it's because of us. We aren't in an ice age anymore, so the world obviously warmed on it's own.

I do believe we should really reduce pollution though. Just not because global warming.

[KafudaFish]

How is concrete being released into the atmosphere?

You have to remember that RC has a great range of people who have different beliefs and view points and those differ.

[reelfishy]

Yes it happened in the past. Its happening again. Humans are speeding up the process.

But I love my gas guzzling car that will leave most if not all hybrids in the dust.

[canesfan44]

Originally Posted by polwick

"nor can I say I really believe in it (as far as man made). I feel this just happens and has been doing so since the beginning of earth."

Why is Reefcentral such a refuge for global warming deniers/skeptics? It makes me not want to come to these message boards. One would think that reefkeepers would be at the forefront of this issue.

I don't deny it, but the Earth has been getting warmer since the last ice age. The history of the Earth has shown that the Earth is always changing. I do feel that humans have sped up the heating of the Earth, but to think that humans are 100% responsible for this "global warming" is simply ridiculous. Even if humans weren't around, the Earth would get hotter until another cooling/ice age. There are a lot of studies that show a link between the activity of the Sun and the heating of the Earth, such as sunspots. It is said that the Sun emitted something like a third less energy 4 billion years ago and has been steadily getting brighter. The Earth's orbit is also a factor in the amount of solar energy that reaches our atmosphere. Too me, it's way too ignorant to place the blame on any one factor.

[listen2bob]

Originally Posted by KafudaFish

How is concrete being released into the atmosphere?

You have to remember that RC has a great range of people who have different beliefs and view points and those differ.

I dont think he meant it as concrete in the air, maybe he did, Concrete however, plays an enormous role in the quality of our surface water, and subsequently the water on our reefs. Impervious surface runoff is one of the major factors driving changes in florida wetlands and nearshore waters

[KafudaFish]

Originally Posted by listen2bob

I dont think he meant it as concrete in the air, maybe he did, Concrete however, plays an enormous role in the quality of our surface water, and subsequently the water on our reefs. Impervious surface runoff is one of the major factors driving changes in florida wetlands and nearshore waters

Yes I figured that and meant as a joke.

Between global warming and stormwater runoff I am concerned as much or more with the runoff and issues of pollution.

No matter what advances we make with coral farming etc. if the behaviors on land do not change it really won't make much difference in the end.

[chrisfishs]

It has been shown that CO2 is the one thing on this earth most tied to temperature. As CO2 readings go up, temperature readings go up. This has been recorded through history in the antarctic ice formations.

Now before all you righties condemn the use of Gore here... this graph is fact, the data for it taken from analysis on hundreds of antarctic core samples.

CO2 readings have never been anywhere even close to what they are now, and we just had the hottest summer on record in north america, it's scary stuff

[JustinReef]

Originally Posted by Eurobeaner

Don't get me wrong, pollution sucks, and when you go the mountains and you can't see the beautiful landscape because of pollution, it's sad. But I'm not convinced it's because of us.

I agree, there is no way pollution is caused by humans. I think its the squirrels fault.

[t4zalews]

The problem is there are too many people....how do you fix that?

[ScubaPrawn]

Originally Posted by polwick

"nor can I say I really believe in it (as far as man made). I feel this just happens and has been doing so since the beginning of earth."

Why is Reefcentral such a refuge for global warming deniers/skeptics? It makes me not want to come to these message boards. One would think that reefkeepers would be at the forefront of this issue.

I haven't decided where I stand on this particular issue, but if you want to avoid a forum merely because others have opinions that differ with your own, then you should reconsider surfing the internet.

[RonD]

Originally Posted by t4zalews

The problem is there are too many people....how do you fix that?

oh dont worry about it.. it will fix itself.. we just wont be part of the end result if we keep going in the same direction we are now.

[Scooter902]

Do any of you have a solution? Like everything else its incredibly over exaggerated and no one has a solution. What good is it to be in a panic over it if you have no intent on doing something about it. How do you fly around on a private jet and tell people to panic about pollution?

Corals will be fine. They have survived many a climate change in the past. Anyone ever heard of an ice age? Nature will find a way. Humans might be in trouble. Lol

[chrisfishs]

the solutions are pretty simple, dont drive a vehicle that gets 5mpg, invest in alt. energy sources, grow some food in your backyard rather than relying 100% on factory farms, turn lights/computers/etc off when not in use, use less water, the solutions are endless people just dont do them

edit: its not hard to reduce your carbon footprint, most people either dont know how or arent willing to put in the effort

[Jacuzzi]

Not to be picky but just thought that I would add thats its technically not called global warming although thats what most use to describe it. Its actually should be referred to as global climate change because while some areas are getting hotter, some are actually getting colder at the same time.

[reelfishy]

Originally Posted by chrisfishs

the solutions are pretty simple, dont drive a vehicle that gets 5mpg, invest in alt. energy sources, grow some food in your backyard rather than relying 100% on factory farms, turn lights/computers/etc off when not in use, use less water, the solutions are endless people just dont do them

edit: its not hard to reduce your carbon footprint, most people either dont know how or arent willing to put in the effort

This would have to be a global effort. Couple of people here and there won't even put a dent in it. But I agree it has to start somewhere.

[chrisfishs]

that's the problem reelfishy, ever heard of "the tragedy of the commons"? Well it's happening on a global scale.

Chris

edit: typo

[Liquid Hobby]

Originally Posted by Eurobeaner

I don't believe in it either. In the 4 billion years the earth has been Here, there has been numerous temperature swings. Don't get me wrong, pollution sucks, and when you go the mountains and you can't see the beautiful landscape because of pollution, it's sad. But I'm not convinced it's because of us. We aren't in an ice age anymore, so the world obviously warmed on it's own.

I do believe we should really reduce pollution though. Just not because global warming.

If pollution isn't the cause, then why reduce it?

[pbmatthews]

As a tree hugging Conservative.........yes, go figure. I would like to see someone show me the science behind global warming. Unfortunately there are changes taking place that are having devastating effects on the planet but I'm not sure we know why. As someone correctly pointed out, we've had ice ages and warming periods for far longer than humans have been on the planet. As a separate issue, pollution is very real and is not helping the planet or the health of it's inhabitants (including humans) but I'm not convinced it is causing global warming. We should solve the pollution problem and stop cutting down all the trees before we are all living in a huge landfill. Unfortunately we aren't going to be able to stop the effects of the Earth's natural warming and cooling cycles.

[niles1967]

Such hypocracy! Every one of us needs to look in the mirror. The world's reefs would be much better off if we hobbyits did not exist. The reefs are raped every day to supply our tanks with livestock. Our tanks do nothing to preserve anything and only exist to personally satisfy and amuse us.

Don't pretend to be so concerned about the planet while your own personal satisfactions contribute to the reef's demise.

I accept this. Do you?

[Eurobeaner]

Reduce pollution because I want to see pretty mountains.

[tangtang clown]

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