My first two fish, clowns

SuperNemo · 09/22/2010, 11:41 PM

Hi guys/gals. Its been a long wait but I finally purchase my first two fish. I'm so happy.

I though I would share it with all of RC so that other people waiting on purchasing their first fish will know that the wait is definatly worth it.

Only thing about the fish I'm scared of is that they might of gotten hurt when I dropped the shopping bag they were in. Man, rushing to get home and finding the fastest parking space did not help. Hahah, got to learn from experience.

I purchase them together (two out three), hopefully they will be a pair, or else we might be in for some trouble.

Anyway, enought talk...picture time.

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DZs · 09/22/2010, 11:59 PM

They are beautiful and congrats to your new babies!

charo · 09/23/2010, 12:15 AM

nice, a pair of clowns was my first purchase too, what do you mean (two out three)

SuperNemo · 09/23/2010, 01:01 AM

charo, there were three clown fishes together. i chose two our of three. i was hopeful that i pick the two that was a mating pair.

sorry for the confusion.

Mr. Fish · 09/23/2010, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperNemo

charo, there were three clown fishes together. i chose two our of three. i was hopeful that i pick the two that was a mating pair.

sorry for the confusion.

If they are under an inch or two they are both male and one will become female, so no worries there.

SuperNemo · 09/23/2010, 01:33 AM

they are definately under two inches. i think they were sold as 1.5" at Petco.

I know i should not buy from there, but i have been looking at my LFS for two weeks and they dont have false pecula clown fish. They dont have signs of ICK, which is pretty good.

Will have them in QT for a week with no meds and then run through a cupramine scheduel based on instructions on the bottle and then maybe another two weeks in the tank. So i'm guessing it would take about 6-8 weeks before I can get my fishes into the DT. Man, thats such a long time. HAHAH.

Mr. Fish · 09/23/2010, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperNemo

they are definately under two inches. i think they were sold as 1.5" at Petco.

I know i should not buy from there, but i have been looking at my LFS for two weeks and they dont have false pecula clown fish. They dont have signs of ICK, which is pretty good.

Will have them in QT for a week with no meds and then run through a cupramine scheduel based on instructions on the bottle and then maybe another two weeks in the tank. So i'm guessing it would take about 6-8 weeks before I can get my fishes into the DT. Man, thats such a long time. HAHAH.

I would not use meds in QT unless you see problems with your fish. Just have them in QT for a month and if they have no problems add to DT. And what kind of LFS doesn't sell ocellaris clownfish mine always is overflowing with them?

streak · 09/23/2010, 04:12 PM

At the LFS where im located we i guess are lucky theres local comercal breeder located in the same town the provides all the fish stores with fish.. i got my clowns last night.. they were both under 1.5" so im sure ill get a pair heres a pic and gratz...

ack my tank got dirty floating the bag i guess sorry about the pic

SuperNemo · 09/23/2010, 09:48 PM

Mr. Fish, even if the fish does not show signs of problems (ICK) it is still there. I thought that if I used cupramine, it would be able to kill them. Also if I follow this procedure for all fish going into QT and then DT that I would have a pretty good ICK free, or at least a high chance of ICK free tank in the future.

Did I misunderstand the threads I have been reading up on ICK?

rayn · 09/24/2010, 05:03 AM

Nope your fine thinking the way you are. If they don't stress it wont show. I would QT and cuprami e them for sure, especially coming from petco. They aren't known for being the cleanest. Clowns are looking good too.

SuperNemo · 09/24/2010, 11:26 AM

thanks ryan for the confirmation.

Mavrk · 09/24/2010, 11:36 AM

Prophylactic treatment is a personal choice. Coming from that source, even I would lean towards treatment. If they are wild caught, then even more so. If you don't want to, then just observe them daily for a minimum of 6 weeks. It is up to you.

If they are that small, then they probably are asexual at the moment (not even male yet). One will dominate and become female, the other will become male. It helps if one is larger, but they will work it out. A. ocellaris are easy that way compared to others. It didn't take long for mine to pair up, but it took a while for them to become a mating pair (laying eggs is the distinction here).

They look good.

Streak. I like the coloring of yours too.

SuperNemo · 09/24/2010, 11:49 AM

Mavrk, if use copper then will the treatment be over once i follow all the instructions on the bottle. It states the the treatment would only be for two weeks.

Does that mean that once the treatment is over, i can move it to the DT. Or should I still wait the 6 weeks?

streak · 09/24/2010, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mavrk

Streak. I like the coloring of yours too.

Thanks..

yeah if there wilds wouldnt besides treating with the copper and all shouldnt you treat some internal parasite meds too. Metranidzol is what i used on my wild Discuses when i recived them to get rid of the nasties.. Just put it in some food according to directions soak it in frozen mysis while thawing

Mavrk · 09/24/2010, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperNemo

Mavrk, if use copper then will the treatment be over once i follow all the instructions on the bottle. It states the the treatment would only be for two weeks.

Does that mean that once the treatment is over, i can move it to the DT. Or should I still wait the 6 weeks?

That depends on how cautious you want to be. If the treatment worked, then the 2 weeks is all that is needed after the copper is removed (carbon works fine for this). Some people leave the fish in cupramine treatment for longer than the 2 weeks. Some observe for another 2-4 weeks (even 6) afterwards. Personally I would say to treat for the 2 weeks, then watch it for another month to make sure there are no signs of ich. Basically I always say to QT for 6 week. You could go less, but you should at least let them sit for a week or two after treatment. It will give them time to recover before going in the DT.

Mr. Fish · 09/24/2010, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperNemo

Mr. Fish, even if the fish does not show signs of problems (ICK) it is still there. I thought that if I used cupramine, it would be able to kill them. Also if I follow this procedure for all fish going into QT and then DT that I would have a pretty good ICK free, or at least a high chance of ICK free tank in the future.

Did I misunderstand the threads I have been reading up on ICK?

Sorry about any confusion. I try to avoid medicating whenever possible and let the fish deal with it naturally, its worked well for me. If that's not your thing go along with the others have said.

SuperNemo · 09/24/2010, 09:05 PM

Thanks for the help.

VacavilleFC3S · 09/24/2010, 10:53 PM

you need to run prazipro because they'll have internal worms, i worked for petco for 2 years. petco doesn't use any sort of medication.

SuperNemo · 09/25/2010, 12:07 AM

okay, i'll look into that.

Is it safe to use on other fish also? Are there signs of internal worms that I can look out for?

SuperNemo · 09/25/2010, 12:14 AM

Can I use Seachem Paraguard? Will it also treat internal worms?

streak · 09/25/2010, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperNemo

Can I use Seachem Paraguard? Will it also treat internal worms?

Is it a product thats mixed with food? then yes.. if its a product you put just in the water in my experience it wont work to well.. Im not downing the product I just never heard of it..

SuperNemo · 09/25/2010, 09:38 AM

okay, i though paraguard was something that could treat internal items also. Seems to be a pretty nice product on Seachem website.

Anyone have experience with Seachem Paraguard?

I'll have to go pick up a bottle of Prazi Pro.

Which treatment should I do first? Prazi Pro or Cupramine? How do I remove the Prazi Pro from the water after the treatment?

From reading about PraziPro, it seems like a product to also just put into the water. Will that work against internal worms?

Dustin1300 · 09/25/2010, 02:13 PM

My process is to put the fish in my QT for about 6 weeks. I run a hyposalinity QT tank at 1.008 SG and then will put fish into the DT. Just be patient and don't over medicate...

SuperNemo · 09/25/2010, 03:32 PM

I dont mind the time. I just dont want to run hypo and all the weeks of waiting and then find out that the fish still has ICK on it after I introduce several other fish.

I know that medicating is not the best option, but for the safety of all future and present fishes, should we make our best effort to ensure to the greatest degree possible that the fishes are disease free.

It probably hard on them now, but they would be better off in the future.

Thanks my opinion, maybe I'm wrong and please fellow RCs, correct me if my thinking is not correct.

Mr. Fish · 09/25/2010, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperNemo

I dont mind the time. I just dont want to run hypo and all the weeks of waiting and then find out that the fish still has ICK on it after I introduce several other fish.

I know that medicating is not the best option, but for the safety of all future and present fishes, should we make our best effort to ensure to the greatest degree possible that the fishes are disease free.

It probably hard on them now, but they would be better off in the future.

Thanks my opinion, maybe I'm wrong and please fellow RCs, correct me if my thinking is not correct.

Everyone reefs differently, that's the great thing about the hobby. Use the meds if you want, but in my experience they never seem to totally remove the chance of parasites later on, especially internal parasites . Overmedicating a hardy fish like a clownfish isn't going to kill it, but be careful with the more sensitive fish later on, especially tangs, they don't handle copper very well.

09/22/2010, 11:41 PM	#1
SuperNemo Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 524	My first two fish, clowns Hi guys/gals. Its been a long wait but I finally purchase my first two fish. I'm so happy. I though I would share it with all of RC so that other people waiting on purchasing their first fish will know that the wait is definatly worth it. Only thing about the fish I'm scared of is that they might of gotten hurt when I dropped the shopping bag they were in. Man, rushing to get home and finding the fastest parking space did not help. Hahah, got to learn from experience. I purchase them together (two out three), hopefully they will be a pair, or else we might be in for some trouble. Anyway, enought talk...picture time. 384a.jpg 385a.jpg 386a.jpg

09/23/2010, 04:12 PM	#8
streak Reef Madness! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Perryville, Missouri Posts: 616	At the LFS where im located we i guess are lucky theres local comercal breeder located in the same town the provides all the fish stores with fish.. i got my clowns last night.. they were both under 1.5" so im sure ill get a pair heres a pic and gratz... ack my tank got dirty floating the bag i guess sorry about the pic __________________ The Shoe String Budget Reef Aquarium. Possible?? Compared to 7 55 breeding Discus days well we see and try! :P Current Tank Info: 10g nano with 2 clowns 1 Royal Gorama 1 RBTA!

09/24/2010, 05:03 AM	#10
rayn Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pekin, Il Posts: 2,864	Nope your fine thinking the way you are. If they don't stress it wont show. I would QT and cuprami e them for sure, especially coming from petco. They aren't known for being the cleanest. Clowns are looking good too. __________________ Currently changing, stay tuned for new details...

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DZs Sunny D's Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: CA Posts: 642	They are beautiful and congrats to your new babies!

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charo Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: san diego Posts: 100	nice, a pair of clowns was my first purchase too, what do you mean (two out three)

09/23/2010, 01:01 AM	#4
SuperNemo Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 524	charo, there were three clown fishes together. i chose two our of three. i was hopeful that i pick the two that was a mating pair. sorry for the confusion.

09/23/2010, 01:33 AM	#6
SuperNemo Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 524	they are definately under two inches. i think they were sold as 1.5" at Petco. I know i should not buy from there, but i have been looking at my LFS for two weeks and they dont have false pecula clown fish. They dont have signs of ICK, which is pretty good. Will have them in QT for a week with no meds and then run through a cupramine scheduel based on instructions on the bottle and then maybe another two weeks in the tank. So i'm guessing it would take about 6-8 weeks before I can get my fishes into the DT. Man, thats such a long time. HAHAH.

09/23/2010, 09:48 PM	#9
SuperNemo Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 524	Mr. Fish, even if the fish does not show signs of problems (ICK) it is still there. I thought that if I used cupramine, it would be able to kill them. Also if I follow this procedure for all fish going into QT and then DT that I would have a pretty good ICK free, or at least a high chance of ICK free tank in the future. Did I misunderstand the threads I have been reading up on ICK?

09/24/2010, 11:26 AM	#11
SuperNemo Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 524	thanks ryan for the confirmation.

09/24/2010, 11:36 AM	#12
Mavrk Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: California - South Bay Area Posts: 2,775	Prophylactic treatment is a personal choice. Coming from that source, even I would lean towards treatment. If they are wild caught, then even more so. If you don't want to, then just observe them daily for a minimum of 6 weeks. It is up to you. If they are that small, then they probably are asexual at the moment (not even male yet). One will dominate and become female, the other will become male. It helps if one is larger, but they will work it out. A. ocellaris are easy that way compared to others. It didn't take long for mine to pair up, but it took a while for them to become a mating pair (laying eggs is the distinction here). They look good. Streak. I like the coloring of yours too.

09/24/2010, 11:49 AM	#13
SuperNemo Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 524	Mavrk, if use copper then will the treatment be over once i follow all the instructions on the bottle. It states the the treatment would only be for two weeks. Does that mean that once the treatment is over, i can move it to the DT. Or should I still wait the 6 weeks?

09/24/2010, 09:05 PM	#17
SuperNemo Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 524	Thanks for the help.

09/24/2010, 10:53 PM	#18
VacavilleFC3S Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Vacaville California Posts: 2,613	you need to run prazipro because they'll have internal worms, i worked for petco for 2 years. petco doesn't use any sort of medication.

09/25/2010, 12:07 AM	#19
SuperNemo Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 524	okay, i'll look into that. Is it safe to use on other fish also? Are there signs of internal worms that I can look out for?

09/25/2010, 12:14 AM	#20
SuperNemo Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 524	Can I use Seachem Paraguard? Will it also treat internal worms?

09/25/2010, 09:38 AM	#22
SuperNemo Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 524	okay, i though paraguard was something that could treat internal items also. Seems to be a pretty nice product on Seachem website. Anyone have experience with Seachem Paraguard? I'll have to go pick up a bottle of Prazi Pro. Which treatment should I do first? Prazi Pro or Cupramine? How do I remove the Prazi Pro from the water after the treatment? From reading about PraziPro, it seems like a product to also just put into the water. Will that work against internal worms?

09/25/2010, 02:13 PM	#23
Dustin1300 Reefaholic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 5,135	My process is to put the fish in my QT for about 6 weeks. I run a hyposalinity QT tank at 1.008 SG and then will put fish into the DT. Just be patient and don't over medicate...

09/25/2010, 03:32 PM	#24
SuperNemo Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 524	I dont mind the time. I just dont want to run hypo and all the weeks of waiting and then find out that the fish still has ICK on it after I introduce several other fish. I know that medicating is not the best option, but for the safety of all future and present fishes, should we make our best effort to ensure to the greatest degree possible that the fishes are disease free. It probably hard on them now, but they would be better off in the future. Thanks my opinion, maybe I'm wrong and please fellow RCs, correct me if my thinking is not correct.