Please help

Andre Taf · 10/10/2010, 08:13 AM

I have a fish store in Armenia and i am the first to start with marine tanks(the only store to have marine tanks).I got shippment from Jakarta 10 days ago and was keeping my fish in quarantine tanks with sponge filter and salinity 1.010.yesterday I chenge some watter housing 4 antias and 2 wrass.today they were laying on the bottom.please help.

vlepouce · 10/10/2010, 08:51 AM

Test your make up water and your water in the tank. Your salinity is pretty low. What was the salinity of the replacement water. How much water did your replace?

Andre Taf · 10/10/2010, 09:17 AM

Tank you for reply.My make up watter was same 1.010.

Tony78 · 10/10/2010, 09:23 AM

How Are your water parameters? Ammonia nitrite and nitrate?

Andre Taf · 10/10/2010, 09:24 AM

i replaced 40%.

Tony78 · 10/10/2010, 09:33 AM

The sponge filter on the qt tank is used because it can provide a home for nitrifying bacteria that can break down the ammonia and nitrite. How did you get your bacteria into your sponge? Most people will let the sponge sit in the sump of an established tank for several weeks to culture the bacteria onto the sponge. They then transfer the sponge to a qt tank to act as a biofilter. You had 6 fish. I'm wondering if maybe there wasn't enough bacteria to deal with the bioload of 6 fish. How often were you doing a 40% water change?

Andre Taf · 10/10/2010, 09:34 AM

I have placed them in diffrent QT with other fish.
In thise tank they still the same.
My nitrite is 0 and nitrate 50.

Andre Taf · 10/10/2010, 09:38 AM

thise tank is about 150g and it has canister filter.
I have about 10 clown fish,5 pseudochromis,1 zanclus 5 wrass,2 bicolor angels,2 decoras,2 small zebra lions.

Tony78 · 10/10/2010, 09:40 AM

Ammonia level in the QT tank?

Andre Taf · 10/10/2010, 09:43 AM

runout off amonia test thise morning,shame on me.

Tony78 · 10/10/2010, 10:06 AM

So more than likely it's one of the following:
1. Water parameters
2. Thermal
3. Salinity
4. Stress
5. Disease

We just need to eliminate any from this list that we can and focus on what's left.

Andre Taf · 10/10/2010, 10:10 AM

I think it is the water parameters.
The fish look like they lost their slime.
What is your opinion?

Andre Taf · 10/10/2010, 10:11 AM

I have just checked and 2 antias are ded,3 of the wrass are still the same,but 2 of them look better.

Andre Taf · 10/10/2010, 10:13 AM

i have other tank with salinity 1.010 with 4 surgen fish and thei it well,but scrutching non stop.what you think?

Andre Taf · 10/10/2010, 10:15 AM

I forgat to say that the tanks were tritet with PraziPro.
SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH.

Sk8r · 10/10/2010, 10:18 AM

Also try to acquire, for the future: a refractometer (very accurate salt test), plenty of ammonia test, activated carbon for organic contaminants, and a product called Amquel. Amquel can remove ammonia. I'd suggest 20% water changes instead of 40%. More gradual changes are usually better, because if anything should be wrong in the change, it will be a smaller problem and less shock to the fish.

Andre Taf · 10/10/2010, 10:21 AM

tank You.I do have refractometer,but the thing is I am in Armenia.There is no dealers of lat of products.What company makes the Amquel?

Sk8r · 10/10/2010, 10:26 AM

The scratching indicates likely ich. I do not believe Prazipro treats ich.

Combining hyposalinity and copper is not good. I am not sure about combining hyposalinity and Prazipro.

Prazipro is more to kill worms and larger parasites. Hyposalinity should deal with the ich. However it could also be bacterial.

I would suggest keeping your fish without medication at first, and keep them in smaller groups, without sharing water supply or nets. That way your chances of having one fish give something to another are smaller. Also if one fish has one thing and another species has something else, you can treat each separately. Do not share nets, and wash your hands between dealing with separate tanks.

Andre Taf · 10/10/2010, 10:31 AM

Very helpfull info,Tank You Sk8r.can i use anibiotics with hypo and should I do it or should I wait.
Do You sugest to keep diffrent sp. in diffrent tanks?

Sk8r · 10/10/2010, 10:36 AM

KORDON LLC makes Amquel. Chemipure makes another type of ammonia remover. Kent makes an ammonia-removing sponge. One source we use a lot is http://www.drsfostersmith.com/ . I do not know if they can ship overseas. Fluval is another company that makes an ammonia remover--- here is a company in the UK that sells it: http://www.fishandfins.co.uk/fluval-filter-media.htm ---You might try e-mailing them and asking.

Andre Taf · 10/10/2010, 10:42 AM

Tank You.It is so good to have people like you helping.

10/10/2010, 08:13 AM	#1
Andre Taf Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Armenia Posts: 39	Please help I have a fish store in Armenia and i am the first to start with marine tanks(the only store to have marine tanks).I got shippment from Jakarta 10 days ago and was keeping my fish in quarantine tanks with sponge filter and salinity 1.010.yesterday I chenge some watter housing 4 antias and 2 wrass.today they were laying on the bottom.please help.

10/10/2010, 10:18 AM	#16
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	Also try to acquire, for the future: a refractometer (very accurate salt test), plenty of ammonia test, activated carbon for organic contaminants, and a product called Amquel. Amquel can remove ammonia. I'd suggest 20% water changes instead of 40%. More gradual changes are usually better, because if anything should be wrong in the change, it will be a smaller problem and less shock to the fish. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

10/10/2010, 10:26 AM	#18
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	The scratching indicates likely ich. I do not believe Prazipro treats ich. Combining hyposalinity and copper is not good. I am not sure about combining hyposalinity and Prazipro. Prazipro is more to kill worms and larger parasites. Hyposalinity should deal with the ich. However it could also be bacterial. I would suggest keeping your fish without medication at first, and keep them in smaller groups, without sharing water supply or nets. That way your chances of having one fish give something to another are smaller. Also if one fish has one thing and another species has something else, you can treat each separately. Do not share nets, and wash your hands between dealing with separate tanks. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

10/10/2010, 10:36 AM	#20
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	KORDON LLC makes Amquel. Chemipure makes another type of ammonia remover. Kent makes an ammonia-removing sponge. One source we use a lot is http://www.drsfostersmith.com/ . I do not know if they can ship overseas. Fluval is another company that makes an ammonia remover--- here is a company in the UK that sells it: http://www.fishandfins.co.uk/fluval-filter-media.htm ---You might try e-mailing them and asking. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

10/10/2010, 08:51 AM	#2
vlepouce Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kenosha, WI Posts: 42	Test your make up water and your water in the tank. Your salinity is pretty low. What was the salinity of the replacement water. How much water did your replace?

10/10/2010, 09:17 AM	#3
Andre Taf Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Armenia Posts: 39	Tank you for reply.My make up watter was same 1.010.

10/10/2010, 09:23 AM	#4
Tony78 Boston Terrier Fan Club Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Bolingbrook IL Posts: 209	How Are your water parameters? Ammonia nitrite and nitrate?

10/10/2010, 09:24 AM	#5
Andre Taf Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Armenia Posts: 39	i replaced 40%.

10/10/2010, 09:33 AM	#6
Tony78 Boston Terrier Fan Club Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Bolingbrook IL Posts: 209	The sponge filter on the qt tank is used because it can provide a home for nitrifying bacteria that can break down the ammonia and nitrite. How did you get your bacteria into your sponge? Most people will let the sponge sit in the sump of an established tank for several weeks to culture the bacteria onto the sponge. They then transfer the sponge to a qt tank to act as a biofilter. You had 6 fish. I'm wondering if maybe there wasn't enough bacteria to deal with the bioload of 6 fish. How often were you doing a 40% water change?

10/10/2010, 09:34 AM	#7
Andre Taf Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Armenia Posts: 39	I have placed them in diffrent QT with other fish. In thise tank they still the same. My nitrite is 0 and nitrate 50.

10/10/2010, 09:38 AM	#8
Andre Taf Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Armenia Posts: 39	thise tank is about 150g and it has canister filter. I have about 10 clown fish,5 pseudochromis,1 zanclus 5 wrass,2 bicolor angels,2 decoras,2 small zebra lions.

10/10/2010, 09:40 AM	#9
Tony78 Boston Terrier Fan Club Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Bolingbrook IL Posts: 209	Ammonia level in the QT tank?

10/10/2010, 09:43 AM	#10
Andre Taf Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Armenia Posts: 39	runout off amonia test thise morning,shame on me.

10/10/2010, 10:06 AM	#11
Tony78 Boston Terrier Fan Club Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Bolingbrook IL Posts: 209	So more than likely it's one of the following: 1. Water parameters 2. Thermal 3. Salinity 4. Stress 5. Disease We just need to eliminate any from this list that we can and focus on what's left.

10/10/2010, 10:10 AM	#12
Andre Taf Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Armenia Posts: 39	I think it is the water parameters. The fish look like they lost their slime. What is your opinion?

10/10/2010, 10:11 AM	#13
Andre Taf Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Armenia Posts: 39	I have just checked and 2 antias are ded,3 of the wrass are still the same,but 2 of them look better.

10/10/2010, 10:13 AM	#14
Andre Taf Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Armenia Posts: 39	i have other tank with salinity 1.010 with 4 surgen fish and thei it well,but scrutching non stop.what you think?

10/10/2010, 10:15 AM	#15
Andre Taf Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Armenia Posts: 39	I forgat to say that the tanks were tritet with PraziPro. SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH.

10/10/2010, 10:21 AM	#17
Andre Taf Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Armenia Posts: 39	tank You.I do have refractometer,but the thing is I am in Armenia.There is no dealers of lat of products.What company makes the Amquel?

10/10/2010, 10:31 AM	#19
Andre Taf Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Armenia Posts: 39	Very helpfull info,Tank You Sk8r.can i use anibiotics with hypo and should I do it or should I wait. Do You sugest to keep diffrent sp. in diffrent tanks?

10/10/2010, 10:42 AM	#21
Andre Taf Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Armenia Posts: 39	Tank You.It is so good to have people like you helping.