Please help !!! Is Anemone dying? Look at the picture

Viajeque · 10/29/2010, 07:57 PM

Is my Bubble Tip Anemone dying? It's mouth got bigger and some brown stuff is coming out. Is that normal? Please advise

Sugar Magnolia · 10/29/2010, 08:17 PM

How long have you had it? When did it show signs of deterioration? How old is your tank? What kind of lighting?

Dustin1300 · 10/29/2010, 09:53 PM

^+1

Viajeque · 11/01/2010, 03:12 PM

The anemone is back to normal, it looks well. Is that a normal behavior that they open their mouths or would that be a warning of disease?

Floowid · 11/01/2010, 03:29 PM

The huge gaping mouth is usually a bad sign. Back to what Sugar asked, how big is the tank, how long has it be set up, what kind of lights do you have, how long have you had the anemone, and how long has it been doing that?

Sk8r · 11/01/2010, 04:20 PM

Check your temperature: should be about 80. Check your alkalinity (dkh): should be 8.3-9.3. Check your salinity: 1.024-1.026.

Viajeque · 11/02/2010, 08:25 AM

The size of the tank is 90 gallon and all my parameters are on the right track. I have 4X54W T5's HO lighting. I put my temperature to 82 because I had marine ich, now I put it back to 78 - 80. My salinity is normal but alkalinity is 10-11 is that too much for an anemone?

con999 · 11/02/2010, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Viajeque

The size of the tank is 90 gallon and all my parameters are on the right track. I have 4X54W T5's HO lighting. I put my temperature to 82 because I had marine ich, now I put it back to 78 - 80. My salinity is normal but alkalinity is 10-11 is that too much for an anemone?

we need real numbers to help you. also is the mouth still open, it might have been just pooping. but if its still open thats a bad thing

Viajeque · 11/02/2010, 08:35 AM

By this weekend my parameters were: Ph 8.2, Salinity 1.022, Temp 80, dKh 11, Calcium 520, Ammonia 0, Phosphate 0...etc

No the mouth is not open anymore but it opens it every other day by the end of the day. I feel the anemone does not like light too much because during the night it spreads out more than when the lights are on. Is that a normal behavior? The time I took the picture the size of the mouth was huge and it was releasing some brown stuff, would that be poop?

chimmike · 11/02/2010, 08:57 AM

salinity is low, IMO. Should be 1.025 or 1.026.

Palting · 11/02/2010, 09:04 AM

Agree on the SG needing to be higher. Not really bad at 1022, but a 1025-26 will make a happier anemone.

BTA's are photosynthetic. They like light, and will usually move to where there is light. They extend their arms way out to catch food, or if there is not enough light. My BTA usually curls up to a ball at night.

Not sure about the open mouth thing. The only time my BTA's mouth is open is when it's pooping, and that's usually only for a short duration. I rarely catch him at it. If you see "brown stuff" around the mouth, make sure to blow it off.

Viajeque · 11/04/2010, 03:24 PM

Thanks I will increase my Salinity. The anemone is still doing fine,it ate last night. But it is still shrinking in the afternoon and around night she goes back to normal, this happens every other day. Is that normal?

greech · 11/04/2010, 03:35 PM

How long ago did you add the BTA? If you just added it within the last week, it is still acclimating. I would raise your SG slowly to 1.025-1.026 as mentioned. If it is taking food continue to feed it but feed it small portions and don't feed it a lot. If you suspect that it is sensative to your lighting, you may want to use a few sheets of window screen over the tank to help it acclimate to your light by removing a sheet of screen each week.

Floowid · 11/04/2010, 03:38 PM

You still have not said how long your tank has been up. I would guess given your description of how the anemone is behaving it is less than 6 months.

Viajeque · 11/04/2010, 03:44 PM

The tank its been set up around 2 months ago, too soon to add a BTA? I added the anemone around 2 weeks ago. I was told on the LFS that is was enough time. Thanks for the advice!

bobbychullo · 11/04/2010, 03:48 PM

my understanding of 'nems is you should wait at least 6 months after setting up your tank to add them... they are sensitive creatures...

but I have no experience with them, this is what i've read... someone please correct me if i am wrong.

Floowid · 11/04/2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Viajeque

The tank its been set up around 2 months ago, too soon to add a BTA? I added the anemone around 2 weeks ago. I was told on the LFS that is was enough time. Thanks for the advice!

Another excited new hobbyist failed by the local fish store. Your tank will go through various small bouts of instability for the next 4 months. Yes, the cycle has most likely completed by now, but there is almost always about 6 months of "new tank" to work through before you can add truly sensitive animals.

This is not necessarily a death sentence for the anemone, but if it makes it I will be surprised. My advice is not to feed it, don't move it, don't mess with it. Try to keep your water quality pristine with frequent water changes and testing. Just leave it alone and make sure it has good water, about all you can do.

tspors · 11/04/2010, 06:44 PM

2 months is barely time to add anything. Good Luck. IMO 2 months you should only have CUC in there. Slow it down and again Good Luck.

Dustin1300 · 11/04/2010, 06:52 PM

With the age of the tank I'd slow things down before other losses happen. IMO an anemone should not be in the tank for at least 6 months.

tspors · 11/04/2010, 06:56 PM

[QUOTE=Floowid;17881296]Another excited new hobbyist failed by the local fish store. QUOTE]

Let's not blame the LFS!

Dustin1300 · 11/04/2010, 07:02 PM

[QUOTE=tspors;17881984]

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Originally Posted by Floowid

Another excited new hobbyist failed by the local fish store. QUOTE]

Let's not blame the LFS!

Lack of research and the LFS could be blamed. Many times the LFS could be much more helpful and sometimes is only out for a quick buck. If the livestock dies then they sell something twice

All depends on what the LFS is actually in the hobby for.

charo · 11/04/2010, 09:27 PM

Viajeque, is the pic of in your avatar, your actual anemone being hosted by the clown? if it is what kind of clown do you have? Looks cool hosting

Viajeque · 11/05/2010, 02:56 PM

Thanks Charo! I have the false percula clown. The anemone is doing great. When I bought it they told me I was getting a mature one, maybe that's why it is strong even though my system is not old enough. Thanks for the advise, I agree that I should have waited few months more

Floowid · 11/05/2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tspors

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floowid

Another excited new hobbyist failed by the local fish store.

Let's not blame the LFS!

ABSOLUTELY blame the LFS. I worked at one for a couple years. The first thing I would ask anyone who wanted to buy an anemone, or anything else that needed a mature tank, was "how long has your tank been established"? Part of the responsiblity is on the head of the purchaser, to know what they are getting into, but one of the sources of that information should be the person you are buying the animal from. If the LFS gives a crap about the life and health of the animals they sell, then they will ask. If they are just looking at the bottom line, then you get what we have here.

Dustin1300 · 11/05/2010, 04:34 PM

I'm really unsure of why some Fish Stores are into the business. Someone educated should always be available during the business hours of the store.

10/29/2010, 08:17 PM	#2
Sugar Magnolia Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northern VA Posts: 17,691	How long have you had it? When did it show signs of deterioration? How old is your tank? What kind of lighting? __________________ Adrienne The only thing to fear is fear itself....and spiders.

11/01/2010, 03:29 PM	#5
Floowid Registered Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Centerville, UT Posts: 712	The huge gaping mouth is usually a bad sign. Back to what Sugar asked, how big is the tank, how long has it be set up, what kind of lights do you have, how long have you had the anemone, and how long has it been doing that? __________________ 75 gallon mixed reef

11/01/2010, 04:20 PM	#6
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	Check your temperature: should be about 80. Check your alkalinity (dkh): should be 8.3-9.3. Check your salinity: 1.024-1.026. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

11/02/2010, 08:57 AM	#10
chimmike oxygen abuser Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Parrish, FL Posts: 5,089 Blog Entries: 2	salinity is low, IMO. Should be 1.025 or 1.026. __________________ -Mike Tankless wonder Geaux Noles!

11/02/2010, 09:04 AM	#11
Palting Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,912	Agree on the SG needing to be higher. Not really bad at 1022, but a 1025-26 will make a happier anemone. BTA's are photosynthetic. They like light, and will usually move to where there is light. They extend their arms way out to catch food, or if there is not enough light. My BTA usually curls up to a ball at night. Not sure about the open mouth thing. The only time my BTA's mouth is open is when it's pooping, and that's usually only for a short duration. I rarely catch him at it. If you see "brown stuff" around the mouth, make sure to blow it off. __________________ Anything I post is just an opinion. One of many in this hobby. Believe and follow at your own risk of rapid and complete annihilation of all life in your tank :) Current Tank Info: Incept 3/2010, 150 RR, 50g sump, 20g fuge, 150w 15K MH x3, T5 actinics x8, moonlight LED x6, 1400gph return, Koralia 1400 x4, 300 g skimmer, 4 tangs, 2 mandarins, 2 perc, 6 line, 3 cardinals, 2 firefish, SPS, LPS, zoas, palys, shrooms, clam

10/29/2010, 09:53 PM	#3
Dustin1300 Reefaholic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 5,135	^+1

11/01/2010, 03:12 PM	#4
Viajeque Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 158	The anemone is back to normal, it looks well. Is that a normal behavior that they open their mouths or would that be a warning of disease?

11/02/2010, 08:25 AM	#7
Viajeque Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 158	The size of the tank is 90 gallon and all my parameters are on the right track. I have 4X54W T5's HO lighting. I put my temperature to 82 because I had marine ich, now I put it back to 78 - 80. My salinity is normal but alkalinity is 10-11 is that too much for an anemone?

11/02/2010, 08:35 AM	#9
Viajeque Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 158	By this weekend my parameters were: Ph 8.2, Salinity 1.022, Temp 80, dKh 11, Calcium 520, Ammonia 0, Phosphate 0...etc No the mouth is not open anymore but it opens it every other day by the end of the day. I feel the anemone does not like light too much because during the night it spreads out more than when the lights are on. Is that a normal behavior? The time I took the picture the size of the mouth was huge and it was releasing some brown stuff, would that be poop?

11/04/2010, 03:24 PM	#12
Viajeque Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 158	Thanks I will increase my Salinity. The anemone is still doing fine,it ate last night. But it is still shrinking in the afternoon and around night she goes back to normal, this happens every other day. Is that normal? __________________ T5's 4X54W, SWC 160, Vortech MP40, Refugium w/Chaeto, RKL+Ph, PhosBan Reactor, Emperor 400 Current Tank Info: 90 reef tank, LPS, SPS, Rose and Green BTA. Set-up: October 2010

11/04/2010, 03:35 PM	#13
greech Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 3,133	How long ago did you add the BTA? If you just added it within the last week, it is still acclimating. I would raise your SG slowly to 1.025-1.026 as mentioned. If it is taking food continue to feed it but feed it small portions and don't feed it a lot. If you suspect that it is sensative to your lighting, you may want to use a few sheets of window screen over the tank to help it acclimate to your light by removing a sheet of screen each week. __________________ ~Graham Current Tank Info: Tank: 40 breeder; 20H sump w/SWC 120; Sicce 3.0 return; Vortech MP-10; Sundial T5, DIY Actinic LED (3W Cree). Livestock: Pair of Black & Whites; Midas Blenny; Firefish; Yasha/pistol; Black Leopard Wrasse; LPS and SPS

11/04/2010, 03:38 PM	#14
Floowid Registered Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Centerville, UT Posts: 712	You still have not said how long your tank has been up. I would guess given your description of how the anemone is behaving it is less than 6 months. __________________ 75 gallon mixed reef

11/04/2010, 03:44 PM	#15
Viajeque Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 158	The tank its been set up around 2 months ago, too soon to add a BTA? I added the anemone around 2 weeks ago. I was told on the LFS that is was enough time. Thanks for the advice! __________________ T5's 4X54W, SWC 160, Vortech MP40, Refugium w/Chaeto, RKL+Ph, PhosBan Reactor, Emperor 400 Current Tank Info: 90 reef tank, LPS, SPS, Rose and Green BTA. Set-up: October 2010

11/04/2010, 03:48 PM	#16
bobbychullo Super Abound Join Date: May 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,104	my understanding of 'nems is you should wait at least 6 months after setting up your tank to add them... they are sensitive creatures... but I have no experience with them, this is what i've read... someone please correct me if i am wrong.

11/04/2010, 06:44 PM	#18
tspors Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Appleton, WI. USA Posts: 774	2 months is barely time to add anything. Good Luck. IMO 2 months you should only have CUC in there. Slow it down and again Good Luck. __________________ Everything is Good with Moderation. Current Tank Info: 150 Gal Oceanic, 30g Sump, Gen-X PCX-150 2250 gph, Red Sea Clasic Turbo Skimmer, 18w Turbo Twist UV, Ocean Clear Filter w/live rock, Several Buckets,

11/04/2010, 06:52 PM	#19
Dustin1300 Reefaholic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 5,135	With the age of the tank I'd slow things down before other losses happen. IMO an anemone should not be in the tank for at least 6 months.

11/04/2010, 06:56 PM	#20
tspors Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Appleton, WI. USA Posts: 774	[QUOTE=Floowid;17881296]Another excited new hobbyist failed by the local fish store. QUOTE] Let's not blame the LFS! __________________ Everything is Good with Moderation. Current Tank Info: 150 Gal Oceanic, 30g Sump, Gen-X PCX-150 2250 gph, Red Sea Clasic Turbo Skimmer, 18w Turbo Twist UV, Ocean Clear Filter w/live rock, Several Buckets,

11/04/2010, 09:27 PM	#22
charo Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: san diego Posts: 100	Viajeque, is the pic of in your avatar, your actual anemone being hosted by the clown? if it is what kind of clown do you have? Looks cool hosting

11/05/2010, 02:56 PM	#23
Viajeque Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 158	Thanks Charo! I have the false percula clown. The anemone is doing great. When I bought it they told me I was getting a mature one, maybe that's why it is strong even though my system is not old enough. Thanks for the advise, I agree that I should have waited few months more __________________ T5's 4X54W, SWC 160, Vortech MP40, Refugium w/Chaeto, RKL+Ph, PhosBan Reactor, Emperor 400 Current Tank Info: 90 reef tank, LPS, SPS, Rose and Green BTA. Set-up: October 2010

11/05/2010, 04:34 PM	#25
Dustin1300 Reefaholic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 5,135	I'm really unsure of why some Fish Stores are into the business. Someone educated should always be available during the business hours of the store.

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