Red Dragon/Flowstar VS Water Blaster?

vthondaboi · 03/07/2011, 11:42 AM

Anyone have any experience with BOTH of these pumps?

I was wondering how quiet the Water Blaster was in comparison to the Askoll based pumps.

Also anyone try the MSX versions?

versach000 · 04/16/2011, 12:52 AM

Red Dregon is better~~~ quiet

Rwinfrey · 04/16/2011, 04:51 AM

I have have the flowstar 1800 .I don't really think the red dragon is any different(better) same motor.It is quiet.

versach000 · 04/16/2011, 11:44 AM

red dragon and flowstar is same moter
I mean better quiet then Water Blaster

chadfarmer · 04/16/2011, 11:47 AM

i have flow star great warranty

u can find a lot of unhappy people about the red dragon pump (parts issues)

i have the flow star is quiet

autodave · 04/16/2011, 03:05 PM

I have the Flowstar 1500 for my return pump and a Water Blaster 2000 for my chiller pump.I really like the Flowstar,the Water Blaster just looks cheaper,but is very quiet(but it is only a 528 gph pump),I am very happy with both

karsseboom · 04/16/2011, 03:07 PM

THE MAIN thing you people are forgetting is the water blaster pump COME WITH A 3 YR WARRANTY....end of story.

jim.l · 04/16/2011, 05:39 PM

Yes, I have NEEDED the warranty on both a bubble blaster and a water blaster. Real end of story!

karsseboom · 04/16/2011, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jim.l

Yes, I have NEEDED the warranty on both a bubble blaster and a water blaster. Real end of story!

water blaster pumps come with a 3 yr warranty and red dragon come with a 2 yr....

chadfarmer · 04/17/2011, 01:49 PM

had my flow star for 2 years and never used my warranty

i hacve a backup pump and never used it

chercm · 04/17/2011, 07:14 PM

Will the flow star work in Asia ?

mojo~ · 04/17/2011, 07:57 PM

I have had the flow star and the water blaster. The flowstar is a quieter pump. Both work well. But the flow star is even more quiet than the water blaster. great pumps

chercm · 04/18/2011, 07:49 AM

anyone knows ?

chadfarmer · 04/18/2011, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chercm

anyone knows ?

there is one u need to find a dealer there

cakemanPA · 04/18/2011, 07:00 PM

Along with quiet... Which one is the most energy efficient?

chadfarmer · 04/18/2011, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cakemanPA

Along with quiet... Which one is the most energy efficient?

red dragon probably is

cakemanPA · 04/19/2011, 07:55 AM

I am too lazy to re-research the pumps. But when I purchased my Water Blaster, it was the most efficient of the above pumps. That was a year ago and I would not be surprised if t has changed

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fishhead2008 · 04/27/2011, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadfarmer

red dragon probably is

Not sure about return pumps but definately sounds like you have never actually tested a Red Dragon skimmer pump! They are over double wattage what they state in their specs. Not sure how they can get away with it but they do.

Paulairduck · 04/27/2011, 04:56 PM

my water blaster worked great but the screws started rusting after six months of use

I run the red dragon 8.1, never had a issue, way overpriced and I dont think they make it anymore, so if something happend to it, i think i am SOL.

never used flowstar from ATB, but i have a atb skimmer and i have nothing but good things to say about the skimmer

sjm817 · 04/27/2011, 05:40 PM

Laguna Max Flo 1500 is the pump that the Red Dragon and FlowStar are made from. They will all have similar flow and power use. The Max Flo can be had for under $150.

http://www.amazon.com/Laguna-PT344-M.../dp/B000HAQPPC

Max Flo 2000 seems to be a bit cheaper
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_i=507846

chadfarmer · 04/27/2011, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjm817

Laguna Max Flo 1500 is the pump that the Red Dragon and FlowStar are made from. They will all have similar flow and power use. The Max Flo can be had for under $150.

http://www.amazon.com/Laguna-PT344-M.../dp/B000HAQPPC

Max Flo 2000 seems to be a bit cheaper
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_i=507846

i have 1 of those too they are noisy unless you have them on something for vibrations

sjm817 · 04/27/2011, 06:39 PM

For the ~ $70 difference in price, I'm sure that would be enough to put a pad of some sort on the bottom and still have some $ left over.

I've never had the water versions, but have had Askoll based and BB skimmer pumps and the Askolls were quieter. The BB/WB have some nice features such as being able to orient the outlet in 3 different positions.

ksed · 04/27/2011, 08:37 PM

I believe they are not saltwater safe. They use a brass retainer ring on the impeller, not sure but something brass in the impeller?

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjm817

Laguna Max Flo 1500 is the pump that the Red Dragon and FlowStar are made from. They will all have similar flow and power use. The Max Flo can be had for under $150.

http://www.amazon.com/Laguna-PT344-M.../dp/B000HAQPPC

Max Flo 2000 seems to be a bit cheaper
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_i=507846

sjm817 · 04/27/2011, 09:28 PM

The 1500 does not and I'm pretty sure the 2000 doesn't either.

Dyraxe · 04/28/2011, 10:06 AM

I have a Laguna Max-Flo 1500, it is dead silent and has no brass. I bought it on ebay from a freshwater pond company for $100 shipped to my door. It took 2 days shipping from Colorado to FL. and it too has a factory warranty. Save your money and cut out the middle man, it is the same pump as RD or Flowstar.

03/07/2011, 11:42 AM	#1
vthondaboi Premium Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 916	Red Dragon/Flowstar VS Water Blaster? Anyone have any experience with BOTH of these pumps? I was wondering how quiet the Water Blaster was in comparison to the Askoll based pumps. Also anyone try the MSX versions?

04/16/2011, 12:52 AM	#2
versach000 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: TX Posts: 178	Red Dregon is better~~~ quiet __________________ Hi I'm Sorry I can't speak english very well.

04/16/2011, 04:51 AM	#3
Rwinfrey Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oakdale,Ct. Posts: 2,772	I have have the flowstar 1800 .I don't really think the red dragon is any different(better) same motor.It is quiet. __________________ FUPA jealous;) Current Tank Info: Wish I had one building a house

04/16/2011, 11:44 AM	#4
versach000 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: TX Posts: 178	red dragon and flowstar is same moter I mean better quiet then Water Blaster __________________ Hi I'm Sorry I can't speak english very well.

04/16/2011, 11:47 AM	#5
chadfarmer Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ST Charles, MO far from nanook Posts: 11,045 Blog Entries: 1	i have flow star great warranty u can find a lot of unhappy people about the red dragon pump (parts issues) i have the flow star is quiet __________________ If you think you know the answer than ask 3 more people the question Current Tank Info: 200 Gal RR,ATB medium, 4 AI blue sol,230 LBS LIVE ROCK, no sand , 40 GAL sump, airstar1800, 3 tunze 6105 1- 6205 1-6305, Geo 818, profilux3ex with toys Last edited by chadfarmer; 04/16/2011 at 12:27 PM.

04/16/2011, 03:05 PM	#6
autodave Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Menifee,Ca. Posts: 484	I have the Flowstar 1500 for my return pump and a Water Blaster 2000 for my chiller pump.I really like the Flowstar,the Water Blaster just looks cheaper,but is very quiet(but it is only a 528 gph pump),I am very happy with both

04/16/2011, 03:07 PM	#7
karsseboom Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,183	THE MAIN thing you people are forgetting is the water blaster pump COME WITH A 3 YR WARRANTY....end of story.

04/16/2011, 05:39 PM	#8
jim.l Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SE. Florida Posts: 608	Yes, I have NEEDED the warranty on both a bubble blaster and a water blaster. Real end of story! __________________ Jim Current Tank Info: 150 reef, soft, hard, SPS

04/17/2011, 01:49 PM	#10
chadfarmer Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ST Charles, MO far from nanook Posts: 11,045 Blog Entries: 1	had my flow star for 2 years and never used my warranty i hacve a backup pump and never used it __________________ If you think you know the answer than ask 3 more people the question Current Tank Info: 200 Gal RR,ATB medium, 4 AI blue sol,230 LBS LIVE ROCK, no sand , 40 GAL sump, airstar1800, 3 tunze 6105 1- 6205 1-6305, Geo 818, profilux3ex with toys Last edited by chadfarmer; 04/17/2011 at 02:07 PM.

04/17/2011, 07:14 PM	#11
chercm Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 2,971	Will the flow star work in Asia ?

04/17/2011, 07:57 PM	#12
mojo~ Skimmer Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: IN Posts: 5,647	I have had the flow star and the water blaster. The flowstar is a quieter pump. Both work well. But the flow star is even more quiet than the water blaster. great pumps __________________ Mojo~

04/18/2011, 07:49 AM	#13
chercm Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 2,971	anyone knows ?

04/18/2011, 07:00 PM	#15
cakemanPA Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Hummelstown, PA Posts: 2,353	Along with quiet... Which one is the most energy efficient?

04/19/2011, 07:55 AM	#17
cakemanPA Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Hummelstown, PA Posts: 2,353	I am too lazy to re-research the pumps. But when I purchased my Water Blaster, it was the most efficient of the above pumps. That was a year ago and I would not be surprised if t has changed Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

04/27/2011, 04:56 PM	#19
Paulairduck I LOVE FREE FRAGS!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chino Hills Posts: 2,909	my water blaster worked great but the screws started rusting after six months of use I run the red dragon 8.1, never had a issue, way overpriced and I dont think they make it anymore, so if something happend to it, i think i am SOL. never used flowstar from ATB, but i have a atb skimmer and i have nothing but good things to say about the skimmer

04/27/2011, 05:40 PM	#20
sjm817 On Yer left! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern VA Posts: 18,777	Laguna Max Flo 1500 is the pump that the Red Dragon and FlowStar are made from. They will all have similar flow and power use. The Max Flo can be had for under $150. http://www.amazon.com/Laguna-PT344-M.../dp/B000HAQPPC Max Flo 2000 seems to be a bit cheaper http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...pf_rd_i=507846 __________________ - Scott Last edited by sjm817; 04/27/2011 at 05:49 PM.

04/27/2011, 06:39 PM	#22
sjm817 On Yer left! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern VA Posts: 18,777	For the ~ $70 difference in price, I'm sure that would be enough to put a pad of some sort on the bottom and still have some $ left over. I've never had the water versions, but have had Askoll based and BB skimmer pumps and the Askolls were quieter. The BB/WB have some nice features such as being able to orient the outlet in 3 different positions. __________________ - Scott Last edited by sjm817; 04/27/2011 at 06:48 PM.

04/27/2011, 09:28 PM	#24
sjm817 On Yer left! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Northern VA Posts: 18,777	The 1500 does not and I'm pretty sure the 2000 doesn't either. __________________ - Scott

04/28/2011, 10:06 AM	#25
Dyraxe Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,606	I have a Laguna Max-Flo 1500, it is dead silent and has no brass. I bought it on ebay from a freshwater pond company for $100 shipped to my door. It took 2 days shipping from Colorado to FL. and it too has a factory warranty. Save your money and cut out the middle man, it is the same pump as RD or Flowstar.

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