ESV B-IONIC salt systems users please check in.

pmrossetti · 06/03/2011, 02:33 PM

How are you likin' it?

How does it compare to your previous salt/salts?

Worth the mixing?

thanks

snorvich · 06/03/2011, 04:18 PM

Love it. No hassles. Will not change away from it either!!!

Bilk · 06/03/2011, 04:26 PM

What snorvich said!

It's really the best I've ever used. I don't know of another salt you can mix and pretty much immediately add to the tank without seeing any signs of stress from the inhabitants. And all the parameters are well balanced for UNLS too.

pmrossetti · 06/03/2011, 06:42 PM

looks like issues with it on reef chemistry forum.

mozz · 06/04/2011, 09:27 AM

I love it, mixes easy and crystal clear. No sludge lying in the bottom of my mixing tank.

pmrossetti · 06/04/2011, 10:14 PM

more input?

rtparty · 06/04/2011, 10:18 PM

Even with my recent alkalinity issues I really like it. It mixes super clear with no sludge of any kind. I am starting to think I got some fluke bad batch with mine. Bob at ESV is waiting on my test results and he is going to send me whatever components I need to fix the issues at no cost. He is even going to pay for me to ship anything back to him so he can test it all and see where something failed.

pmrossetti · 06/04/2011, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtparty

Even with my recent alkalinity issues I really like it. It mixes super clear with no sludge of any kind. I am starting to think I got some fluke bad batch with mine. Bob at ESV is waiting on my test results and he is going to send me whatever components I need to fix the issues at no cost. He is even going to pay for me to ship anything back to him so he can test it all and see where something failed.

wow,that's great rt, a class act. hopefully this is your salt finally.I wish there was one this good that you didn't have to mix together.

Pretty good numbers on the new Kent Reef Salt and mixes clear too.See my thread here on it. Let us know how the ESV drama plays out.

dublo8 · 06/04/2011, 11:13 PM

I'm not trying to start a salt war or anything but how do you guys call this no hassle when every component needs to be individually measured out? I'm a red sea coral pro guy myself and I thought about using the ESV system but it sounds like to much work to me. I know it's a great product and I trust everything else they make but just too tedious IMO.

pmrossetti · 06/04/2011, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dublo8

I'm not trying to start a salt war or anything but how do you guys call this no hassle when every component needs to be individually measured out? I'm a red sea coral pro guy myself and I thought about using the ESV system but it sounds like to much work to me. I know it's a great product and I trust everything else they make but just too tedious IMO.

I agree d, salt should be a one step process. put it in the ro.

but with all the crummy salts we have this may be all we have.

see my thread on salt problems.

snorvich · 06/05/2011, 05:35 AM

Benefits exceed costs. Mixes to parameters I like.

Bilk · 06/05/2011, 08:51 AM

For those that feel mixing ESV is a hassle, well it really isn't. A batch can be mixed clear in about 5 minutes. I like knowing the components have been purified. Just posting this if you haven't seen it. Advanced Aquarist

pmrossetti · 06/05/2011, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilk

For those that feel mixing ESV is a hassle, well it really isn't. A batch can be mixed clear in about 5 minutes. I like knowing the components have been purified. Just posting this if you haven't seen it. Advanced Aquarist

the esv approach makes a lot of sense. look forward to reviews.

pmrossetti · 06/05/2011, 07:23 PM

does it work ok with the scoopers or is the scale needed.

rtparty · 06/05/2011, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmrossetti

does it work ok with the scoopers or is the scale needed.

I have been using the measuring cups and beaker they provide. Bob said either will work but the scale will get more consistent results.

I have been thinking about running to the store and grabbing a cheap digital kitchen scale and trying that out.

I am performing the tests right now that Bob recommended. My Salifert test kit is off by 2dkh. It read RO/DI water at 2dkh and it read the check solution at about 9dkh which makes sense.

I am now finishing everything up on the tests. I will post again when I get my results.

pmrossetti · 06/05/2011, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtparty

I have been using the measuring cups and beaker they provide. Bob said either will work but the scale will get more consistent results.

I have been thinking about running to the store and grabbing a cheap digital kitchen scale and trying that out.

I am performing the tests right now that Bob recommended. My Salifert test kit is off by 2dkh. It read RO/DI water at 2dkh and it read the check solution at about 9dkh which makes sense.

I am now finishing everything up on the tests. I will post again when I get my results.

great, I'm with you.

blue736 · 06/05/2011, 11:30 PM

does the 200 gallon kit make 200 gallons?

Bilk · 06/05/2011, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmrossetti

does it work ok with the scoopers or is the scale needed.

I've been using the supplied measuring scoops and beaker too and I get consistent results.

snorvich · 06/06/2011, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilk

I've been using the supplied measuring scoops and beaker too and I get consistent results.

Likewise.

pmrossetti · 06/06/2011, 05:31 PM

waitin' on rtparty to check in with his findings.

tankfly · 06/06/2011, 05:39 PM

+1 for ESV
As long as i can get it I will never use anything else. I work as a chemist for a pharmaceutical company, Baxter Healthcare. I have tested the calcium and magnesium by atomic absorption. I like the fact you can adjust the components to whatever target concentration you want. I can mix it as fast or faster than any blended salt and use it immediately. I use a scale and graduated cylinders for the liquids and don't even have to check salinity.

pmrossetti · 06/06/2011, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tankfly

+1 for ESV
As long as i can get it I will never use anything else. I work as a chemist for a pharmaceutical company, Baxter Healthcare. I have tested the calcium and magnesium by atomic absorption. I like the fact you can adjust the components to whatever target concentration you want. I can mix it as fast or faster than any blended salt and use it immediately. I use a scale and graduated cylinders for the liquids and don't even have to check salinity.

esv is lookin' pretty good. a trustworthy company.

what do you mean you don't check salinity?
how do you know what it is then?

tankfly · 06/06/2011, 05:58 PM

I checked it until I got the right amounts of each component. And then if I weigh the same amount of NaCl and Mg sulfate each time and use the same volume (or weight) of liquid A and B and dissolve in the same volume of water the SG has to be right.

lordofthereef · 06/06/2011, 06:13 PM

I did a quick search on this stuff. Is it really $30 per 50 gallon batch?

Postal · 06/06/2011, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordofthereef

I did a quick search on this stuff. Is it really $30 per 50 gallon batch?

I pay about $75 for the 200g size at my LFS. Of course, their prices are often as good or better than online prices on dry goods.

06/03/2011, 02:33 PM	#1
pmrossetti Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cali. Posts: 3,199	ESV B-IONIC salt systems users please check in. How are you likin' it? How does it compare to your previous salt/salts? Worth the mixing? thanks Last edited by pmrossetti; 06/03/2011 at 02:39 PM.

06/03/2011, 04:18 PM	#2
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Outlander Posts: 40,953 Blog Entries: 46	Love it. No hassles. Will not change away from it either!!! __________________ Warmest regards, ~Steve~

06/04/2011, 10:18 PM	#7
rtparty Raise The Reef! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Utah Posts: 7,404	Even with my recent alkalinity issues I really like it. It mixes super clear with no sludge of any kind. I am starting to think I got some fluke bad batch with mine. Bob at ESV is waiting on my test results and he is going to send me whatever components I need to fix the issues at no cost. He is even going to pay for me to ship anything back to him so he can test it all and see where something failed. __________________ Ryan Click on my user name and check out my homepage! Current Tank Info: 50g Cadlights/Giesemann Spectra (250w Radium, 2 ATI Blue Plus, 2 ATI Actinic)/2 x Vortech MP10wQD/Skimz SN123/Eheim Compact 3000+

06/04/2011, 11:13 PM	#9
dublo8 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Morgan Hill, Ca Posts: 3,225	I'm not trying to start a salt war or anything but how do you guys call this no hassle when every component needs to be individually measured out? I'm a red sea coral pro guy myself and I thought about using the ESV system but it sounds like to much work to me. I know it's a great product and I trust everything else they make but just too tedious IMO. __________________ 10g IM fusion. Zoa and SPS dominant, Apex monitored, Ai Prime, MP10, sicce return.

06/05/2011, 05:35 AM	#11
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Outlander Posts: 40,953 Blog Entries: 46	Benefits exceed costs. Mixes to parameters I like. __________________ Warmest regards, ~Steve~

06/03/2011, 04:26 PM	#3
Bilk Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NYC Posts: 1,374	What snorvich said! It's really the best I've ever used. I don't know of another salt you can mix and pretty much immediately add to the tank without seeing any signs of stress from the inhabitants. And all the parameters are well balanced for UNLS too.

06/03/2011, 06:42 PM	#4
pmrossetti Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cali. Posts: 3,199	looks like issues with it on reef chemistry forum.

06/04/2011, 09:27 AM	#5
mozz Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Beverly Hills, FL Posts: 103	I love it, mixes easy and crystal clear. No sludge lying in the bottom of my mixing tank.

06/04/2011, 10:14 PM	#6
pmrossetti Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cali. Posts: 3,199	more input?

06/05/2011, 08:51 AM	#12
Bilk Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NYC Posts: 1,374	For those that feel mixing ESV is a hassle, well it really isn't. A batch can be mixed clear in about 5 minutes. I like knowing the components have been purified. Just posting this if you haven't seen it. Advanced Aquarist

06/05/2011, 07:23 PM	#14
pmrossetti Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cali. Posts: 3,199	does it work ok with the scoopers or is the scale needed.

06/05/2011, 11:30 PM	#17
blue736 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 106	does the 200 gallon kit make 200 gallons?

06/06/2011, 05:31 PM	#20
pmrossetti Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cali. Posts: 3,199	waitin' on rtparty to check in with his findings.

06/06/2011, 05:39 PM	#21
tankfly Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 212	+1 for ESV As long as i can get it I will never use anything else. I work as a chemist for a pharmaceutical company, Baxter Healthcare. I have tested the calcium and magnesium by atomic absorption. I like the fact you can adjust the components to whatever target concentration you want. I can mix it as fast or faster than any blended salt and use it immediately. I use a scale and graduated cylinders for the liquids and don't even have to check salinity.

06/06/2011, 05:58 PM	#23
tankfly Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 212	I checked it until I got the right amounts of each component. And then if I weigh the same amount of NaCl and Mg sulfate each time and use the same volume (or weight) of liquid A and B and dissolve in the same volume of water the SG has to be right.

06/06/2011, 06:13 PM	#24
lordofthereef One reef to rule them all Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Leominster, MA Posts: 5,299	I did a quick search on this stuff. Is it really $30 per 50 gallon batch? __________________ "A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than you love yourself" ~ Josh Billings Visit My Home page for current build thread (click my user name and select "Visit LordoftheReef's Homepage" in the drop down menu!

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