Clownfish query

bng.fixious · 09/15/2011, 07:16 AM

How many percula clownfish can i put in a 55 gallon tank? I dont want other fish in my tank i like clownfish only. Please advise. Ty in advance.

thegrun · 09/15/2011, 07:30 AM

In a 55 gallon tank, keeping more than one mated pair is going to be a problem. You might be able to keep 4 juvenile clowns in the tank for a short while, but fighting will start as they mature.

Sugar Magnolia · 09/15/2011, 07:51 AM

Two only. If you buy two babies or juvies, they will eventually pair up as one female and one male.

KidFrost · 09/15/2011, 08:25 AM

Man you guys are all the same...

Guidelines are just that ... GUIDE LINES... not WORDS OF GOD..

My awnser.. 27..

Check out this thread..

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...ight=27+clowns

bng.fixious · 09/15/2011, 08:26 AM

I was Planning to have 8 perculas since i have a lot of caves in my tank. Is it really impossible? You can view my tank thru my avatar. They can have their own territory as pairs. Has anybody tried to have more than 4 percula in tank ?

KidFrost · 09/15/2011, 08:29 AM

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...ight=27+clowns

SirReefer · 09/15/2011, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KidFrost

Man you guys are all the same...

Guidelines are just that ... GUIDE LINES... not WORDS OF GOD..

My awnser.. 27..

Check out this thread..

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...ight=27+clowns

Thats funny, when I saw this thread that was the first thing that came to mind..

bng.fixious · 09/15/2011, 08:37 AM

Saw the link ty so much kidfrost yOu shed some light and now thats my goal to have as many clowns as i want. I reAlly appreciate it kidfrost you made my day.

SirReefer · 09/15/2011, 09:06 AM

The only concern it putting them in, im sure you cant jjust add them little by little because they are agressive towards each other. You should send that guy a message to see how he added so many in his tank. Many ppl say its better to add them all at once im not sure tho. Gl

thegrun · 09/15/2011, 09:19 AM

Well, yes, you can take the fish store approach and cram so many fish in a small aquarium they basically give up their aggression. That is how LFS overcome the damsel aggression issue, if you overpopulate a tank with the same species, the fish can't figure out whom to attack. The key to this approach is extreme overpopulation and a lot of filtration and skimming. I don't agree with the approach, but to some extent it does work. It should be noted the fish in this example are all from the same hatching and are still not mature. IMHO 8 clowns in a 55 gallon tank are not enough fish to overpopulate the tank and I would be willing to bet there will be heavy losses.

Toddrtrex · 09/15/2011, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bng.fixious

Saw the link ty so much kidfrost yOu shed some light and now thats my goal to have as many clowns as i want. I reAlly appreciate it kidfrost you made my day.

You do realize that that thread is not the norm, and even she cautions people against trying it.

But, if you want to listen to what "kidfrost" said, and not anyone else in this thread that is your choice. I've been keeping clowns for 15+ years, and I learned early on that trying more then a pair (( especially in a small tank, yes 55 gallons is small in this case )) is asking for trouble. The aggressiveness of a mated pair of clowns, mainly the female, is pretty shocking.

Toddrtrex · 09/15/2011, 10:30 AM

Do you still have the following in this 55 gallon tank?!!

Quote:

here's the list: 2 percula clown, 3 chromis, 1 brown tang, 1 sailfin tang, 1 yellow tang, 1 purple firefish goby, 1 fire shrimp, 2 harlequin shrimp, 1 pin cushion urchin, 1 lettuce sea slug, 4 turbo snail, 7 nassarius snail, 1 reef lizard (small).

Edit;

Do you still have the 10 gallon?

Quote:

essential info: tank 10gal, 1month old, temp 82F, skimmer resun SK-05, actinic blue light, under gravel filter, overhead filter, 3 live rocks, 1 brain coral with worm attached, 2 maybe goniopora coral, 1 bubble coral, 2 unknown corals , 1 clam, bunch of sea grass, 2 percula clown, 1 maroon clown, 1 garden eel, 1 blue fin damsel, 1 golden-head goby, 2 turbo snail, 1 bumblebee snail, 1 boxer shrimp, and 1 powder gray tang.

Ron Reefman · 09/15/2011, 10:48 AM

I put 5 juvenile Cinnamon Clowns in an 85g and have had no issues. Two have mated and grown up, the others are all still small juveniles. And they are all hosting in Condy anemones! The mated pair in one and each of the juviniles in seperate condys.

Toddrtrex · 09/15/2011, 11:07 AM

FYI -- the anemone does the hosting, not the clown.

mobert · 09/15/2011, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KidFrost

Man you guys are all the same...

Guidelines are just that ... GUIDE LINES... not WORDS OF GOD..

My awnser.. 27..

Check out this thread..

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...ight=27+clowns

As the owner of the above tank, my suggestion to you is to keep just ONE mated pair in a 55. I consider a 55 to be a small tank for more than one pair of clowns.

bng.fixious · 09/15/2011, 09:05 PM

todd, i have a 55gallon tank the 10 gallon tank is now my skimmer. fish list- 4 perculas (added 2 last night), 3 chromis and a brown tang.

mobert GOD hehehe, sorry i bought another 2 last night because i was excited when i saw you tank sorry. im not going to get anymore clowns for now. i do have questions how you successfully bred them. i sent you a pm. thanks.

Toddrtrex · 09/15/2011, 09:08 PM

So, everyone else in this thread (( even me stating that "mobert" suggests against it )) stated that this was a bad idea and you still went ahead and did this?

Why ask the question if you are going to do it anyways?:

bng.fixious · 09/15/2011, 09:12 PM

***correction 10 gallon is my sump.***

i do have a bubble tip anemone but the clowns is not using them why is that? what anemone do you advise?

bng.fixious · 09/15/2011, 09:13 PM

not to worry todd ill return it later since he said it was a bad idea. i was just excited yesterday sorry todd.

Toddrtrex · 09/15/2011, 09:14 PM

How long has the tank been set up?

What lights do you have?

What are your water parameters -- with numbers.

KidFrost · 09/15/2011, 09:18 PM

Well the question was "How many clowns CAN I have in one tank?"

not

"How many clowns do you guys think I should put in one tank?"

And BTW I understand you guys are just trying to prevent the loss of any more fish than needed but a little encouragement could lead to the beautiful tank in the link I listed.. Not everyone has to conform to the guidelines set forth by.. umm the internet.

And just for the record "pairing" clowns isn't exactly as easy as that. That can be hit or miss as well. 2 Clowns that aren't young enough could already be converted to females and attack each other anyway.

IME If you wanted 4 "pair" or 8 clowns, I would go with Yellow Stripe Maroon Clowns not Percs or Occ.. They are much less hit or miss on hosting an anem.. they will host every time.

And get them as young as possible, let your LFS know what you are trying to do and tell them you want them as young as they can get them and see what they can do for you.

jflores · 09/15/2011, 09:18 PM

Not to mention the brown tang (min 125g) in a 55? Hope you are going to be able to upgrade tank soon...

Toddrtrex · 09/15/2011, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KidFrost

Well the question was "How many clowns CAN I have in one tank?"

not

"How many clowns do you guys think I should put in one tank?"

And BTW I understand you guys are just trying to prevent the loss of any more fish than needed but a little encouragement could lead to the beautiful tank in the link I listed.. Not everyone has to conform to the guidelines set forth by.. umm the internet.

And just for the record "pairing" clowns isn't exactly as easy as that. That can be hit or miss as well. 2 Clowns that aren't young enough could already be converted to females and attack each other anyway.

IME If you wanted 4 "pair" or 8 clowns, I would go with Yellow Stripe Maroon Clowns not Percs or Occ.. They are much less hit or miss on hosting an anem.. they will host every time.

And get them as young as possible, let your LFS know what you are trying to do and tell them you want them as young as they can get them and see what they can do for you.

Maroons are one of the (( if not the most )) aggressive clowns out there. To suggest having more then one pair in a 55 in bad enough, but to suggest 8 maroons in a 55 is really poor poor advice. That is just asking for a bunch of dead clowns.

KidFrost · 09/15/2011, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mobert

As the owner of the above tank I advise against this.

As the owner of the tank you advise against it?

*** is this..!!
You have proven it could be done and you are telling other people not to?
You are the only person capable of doing it?
No one else has the right or ability to succeed at the same thing?

Why would you not list some pointers on how you were able to successfully do what the OP wants to do..

Most of the ppl on this site that have any experience are fear mongers ..

w/e

Toddrtrex · 09/15/2011, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KidFrost

As the owner of the tank you advise against it?

*** is this..!!
You have proven it could be done and you are telling other people not to?
You are the only person capable of doing it?
No one else has the right or ability to succeed at the same thing?

Why would you not list some pointers on how you were able to successfully do what the OP wants to do..

Most of the ppl on this site that have any experience are fear mongers ..

w/e

*Points to "Team RC" logo*

Please tone down the attitude.

09/15/2011, 07:16 AM	#1
bng.fixious Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 73	Clownfish query How many percula clownfish can i put in a 55 gallon tank? I dont want other fish in my tank i like clownfish only. Please advise. Ty in advance.

09/15/2011, 07:51 AM	#3
Sugar Magnolia Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northern VA Posts: 17,691	Two only. If you buy two babies or juvies, they will eventually pair up as one female and one male. __________________ Adrienne The only thing to fear is fear itself....and spiders.

09/15/2011, 10:48 AM	#13
Ron Reefman Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cape Coral, FL Posts: 10,431	I put 5 juvenile Cinnamon Clowns in an 85g and have had no issues. Two have mated and grown up, the others are all still small juveniles. And they are all hosting in Condy anemones! The mated pair in one and each of the juviniles in seperate condys. __________________ The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. (Neil deGrasse Tyson) Visit my build thread http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2593017

09/15/2011, 11:07 AM	#14
Toddrtrex Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 23,162	FYI -- the anemone does the hosting, not the clown. __________________ Click my name and then "visit toddrtrex's homepage" for tank pictures Current Tank Info: 210g reef and 65g reef

09/15/2011, 09:08 PM	#17
Toddrtrex Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 23,162	So, everyone else in this thread (( even me stating that "mobert" suggests against it )) stated that this was a bad idea and you still went ahead and did this? Why ask the question if you are going to do it anyways?: __________________ Click my name and then "visit toddrtrex's homepage" for tank pictures Current Tank Info: 210g reef and 65g reef

09/15/2011, 07:30 AM	#2
thegrun Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Garden Grove, Ca Posts: 17,023	In a 55 gallon tank, keeping more than one mated pair is going to be a problem. You might be able to keep 4 juvenile clowns in the tank for a short while, but fighting will start as they mature.

09/15/2011, 08:25 AM	#4
KidFrost Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 85	Man you guys are all the same... Guidelines are just that ... GUIDE LINES... not WORDS OF GOD.. My awnser.. 27.. Check out this thread.. http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...ight=27+clowns

09/15/2011, 08:26 AM	#5
bng.fixious Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 73	I was Planning to have 8 perculas since i have a lot of caves in my tank. Is it really impossible? You can view my tank thru my avatar. They can have their own territory as pairs. Has anybody tried to have more than 4 percula in tank ?

09/15/2011, 08:29 AM	#6
KidFrost Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 85	http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...ight=27+clowns

09/15/2011, 08:37 AM	#8
bng.fixious Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 73	Saw the link ty so much kidfrost yOu shed some light and now thats my goal to have as many clowns as i want. I reAlly appreciate it kidfrost you made my day.

09/15/2011, 09:06 AM	#9
SirReefer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Miami Posts: 707	The only concern it putting them in, im sure you cant jjust add them little by little because they are agressive towards each other. You should send that guy a message to see how he added so many in his tank. Many ppl say its better to add them all at once im not sure tho. Gl

09/15/2011, 09:19 AM	#10
thegrun Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Garden Grove, Ca Posts: 17,023	Well, yes, you can take the fish store approach and cram so many fish in a small aquarium they basically give up their aggression. That is how LFS overcome the damsel aggression issue, if you overpopulate a tank with the same species, the fish can't figure out whom to attack. The key to this approach is extreme overpopulation and a lot of filtration and skimming. I don't agree with the approach, but to some extent it does work. It should be noted the fish in this example are all from the same hatching and are still not mature. IMHO 8 clowns in a 55 gallon tank are not enough fish to overpopulate the tank and I would be willing to bet there will be heavy losses.

09/15/2011, 09:05 PM	#16
bng.fixious Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 73	todd, i have a 55gallon tank the 10 gallon tank is now my skimmer. fish list- 4 perculas (added 2 last night), 3 chromis and a brown tang. mobert GOD hehehe, sorry i bought another 2 last night because i was excited when i saw you tank sorry. im not going to get anymore clowns for now. i do have questions how you successfully bred them. i sent you a pm. thanks.

09/15/2011, 09:12 PM	#18
bng.fixious Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 73	*correction 10 gallon is my sump.* i do have a bubble tip anemone but the clowns is not using them why is that? what anemone do you advise?

09/15/2011, 09:13 PM	#19
bng.fixious Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 73	not to worry todd ill return it later since he said it was a bad idea. i was just excited yesterday sorry todd.

09/15/2011, 09:14 PM	#20
Toddrtrex Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Carol Stream, IL Posts: 23,162	How long has the tank been set up? What lights do you have? What are your water parameters -- with numbers. __________________ Click my name and then "visit toddrtrex's homepage" for tank pictures Current Tank Info: 210g reef and 65g reef

09/15/2011, 09:18 PM	#21
KidFrost Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 85	Well the question was "How many clowns CAN I have in one tank?" not "How many clowns do you guys think I should put in one tank?" And BTW I understand you guys are just trying to prevent the loss of any more fish than needed but a little encouragement could lead to the beautiful tank in the link I listed.. Not everyone has to conform to the guidelines set forth by.. umm the internet. And just for the record "pairing" clowns isn't exactly as easy as that. That can be hit or miss as well. 2 Clowns that aren't young enough could already be converted to females and attack each other anyway. IME If you wanted 4 "pair" or 8 clowns, I would go with Yellow Stripe Maroon Clowns not Percs or Occ.. They are much less hit or miss on hosting an anem.. they will host every time. And get them as young as possible, let your LFS know what you are trying to do and tell them you want them as young as they can get them and see what they can do for you.

09/15/2011, 09:18 PM	#22
jflores Registered Member. Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Mesa Arizona Posts: 287	Not to mention the brown tang (min 125g) in a 55? Hope you are going to be able to upgrade tank soon...

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