If you owned Orphek...

BonsaiNut · 09/15/2011, 08:53 AM

...what would you do to improve their fixture?

I have read some recent threads (and articles) that have been critical of the Orphek 156. And yet, there are some aspects of the company that I like - despite some missteps in the market. So, in the spirit of constructive feedback, what would you like to see changed for the next version of this product?

gcarroll · 09/15/2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BonsaiNut

...what would you do to improve their fixture?

I have read some recent threads (and articles) that have been critical of the Orphek 156. And yet, there are some aspects of the company that I like - despite some missteps in the market. So, in the spirit of constructive feedback, what would you like to see changed for the next version of this product?

If you owned the company you would be speaking Chinese!

There are 3 major issues that need correcting IMO.
1. Stop the lying. Sell the fixture for what it is. Full disclosure.
2. Stop stating the optics are wider than they are. Orphek lies in stating that 40 degree optics in their fixture are 90 degree optics and 60 degree optics in their fixture are 120 degree optics. It is a blatant lie.
3. Sell the fixture for fair market price. This fixture used to be sold for $500 direct from China 2 years ago. There have been no changes to the fixture (except changing out a couple LEDs for violet ones. The retail price has swelled to $899 because they have been able to convince the public that they have done something to make it worth that. Using 2 year old tech this fixture should be priced no higher than $450 although I feel $400 is a more fair price.

BonsaiNut · 09/15/2011, 10:14 AM

Greg do you have a link to info about when it was sold direct from China? I'm a little murky on my Orphek history, but I thought the story was an engineer from Israel developed the light and they produced it in Brazil(?) (at least initially?).

rtparty · 09/15/2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BonsaiNut

Greg do you have a link to info about when it was sold direct from China? I'm a little murky on my Orphek history, but I thought the story was an engineer from Israel developed the light and they produced it in Brazil(?) (at least initially?).

That is where Greg's first point comes into play. Stop the lying.

ti-christ · 09/15/2011, 11:09 AM

I own 3 fixtures from them. I'm very happy with the color and the shimming. One important point is that you do not see the color separation (blue, white, yellow-white) that you can see with Cree LED fixtures.

I would like from them to be able to control more than 1 LED fixture from a single power supply. Because 1 power supply by fixture is quite bulky and it takes a lot of room. Also, one very important thing is: I would like to control these power supply from my APEX controller since my controller control everything in my system. It's cumbersome to set 6 timers (1 timer for white LED and 1 timer for Blue LED) to control 3 LED fixtures.

My setup is new, so I cannot comment on coral grow!!!

msr224 · 09/15/2011, 11:33 AM

I would like integration with my RKE for dimming and built in drivers eliminating the power supply box.

d2mini · 09/15/2011, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rtparty

That is where Greg's first point comes into play. Stop the lying.

Exactly. This thread reaks of baiting by an Orphek associate.

KafudaFish · 09/15/2011, 12:34 PM

Does this have anything to do with other companies products?

pmrossetti · 09/15/2011, 01:18 PM

don't know, but there always seems to be controversies around Orphek. just come out and clear things up.

anyone open a fixture to see what's inside? and the optics thing bothers me. and the price.

BonsaiNut · 09/15/2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by d2mini

Exactly. This thread reaks of baiting by an Orphek associate.

Trust me, I'm no Orphek associate, if that's what you mean. I can honestly say I have no professional relationship with the lighting or reef aquarium industries whatsoever.

So if the whole Israel/Brazil thing is incorrect, what IS the story? I feel like there's a big secret somewhere and I'm the only one not in the "know". Is there another article or link somewhere I missed?

BFG · 09/15/2011, 04:44 PM

There's a story about Orphek on ReefBuilder. Can't link it here due to me using a Galaxy Tab.

gcarroll · 09/15/2011, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pmrossetti

don't know, but there always seems to be controversies around Orphek. just come out and clear things up.

anyone open a fixture to see what's inside? and the optics thing bothers me. and the price.

Your wish is my command

pmrossetti · 09/15/2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gcarroll

Your wish is my command

thanks g,

looks like an egg.

please explain what i'm looking at? doesn't look good.

gcarroll · 09/15/2011, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pmrossetti

thanks g,

looks like an egg.

please explain what i'm looking at? doesn't look good.

You are looking at a macro of the actual Orphek diodes in a PR-156 that I took some months ago.

Think something similar to this without the star.

pmrossetti · 09/15/2011, 05:22 PM

got it, so how does it stack up. i've nothing to compare it to.

gcarroll · 09/15/2011, 05:33 PM

fixed pic!

pmrossetti · 09/15/2011, 05:37 PM

got it, so how does it stack up. i've nothing to compare it to.

MedRed · 09/15/2011, 05:56 PM

Anyone have a PR-156 that they would be willing to let Advanced Aquarist evaluate?

ti-christ · 09/15/2011, 07:47 PM

I don't understand all the bashing around this company?!?!

When someone buys an iPhone or a Sony LED, do the company specify in detail all parts inside their product??? Apple gives no information about what is inside. Probably their iPhone cost less than 100$ to manufacturer (once your iPhone battery is dead, it cost only 89$ to get a brand new). But Apple sells their iPhone for 800$. So, is it over price? Yes, but people wants them. So they buy it.

Is the Orphek fixture over price? Yes, but i cannot complaint about the quality of fixture. Once again, I will tell in 6 months if My SPS is growing well !!! But they are not perfect and their product can be improved but so far i am happy with it. There is no dimming like the MH but people are very happy with MH. So dimming is just a gizmo but it is useless. Coral does not care about dimmimg.

I also do not have any relationship or any $$$ to write this email. But i am tired to read that people does not like them because they dont tell with LED they are using or where the company is from! Personally I dont care if they have a good poduct and they honor their warranty if something happens with the my fixture.

Best Regards and peace!
They are actually too war in the world!!!

MedRed · 09/16/2011, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ti-christ

I don't understand all the bashing around this company?!?!

When someone buys an iPhone or a Sony LED, do the company specify in detail all parts inside their product??? Apple gives no information about what is inside. Probably their iPhone cost less than 100$ to manufacturer (once your iPhone battery is dead, it cost only 89$ to get a brand new). But Apple sells their iPhone for 800$. So, is it over price? Yes, but people wants them. So they buy it.

Is the Orphek fixture over price? Yes, but i cannot complaint about the quality of fixture. Once again, I will tell in 6 months if My SPS is growing well !!! But they are not perfect and their product can be improved but so far i am happy with it. There is no dimming like the MH but people are very happy with MH. So dimming is just a gizmo but it is useless. Coral does not care about dimmimg.

I also do not have any relationship or any $$$ to write this email. But i am tired to read that people does not like them because they dont tell with LED they are using or where the company is from! Personally I dont care if they have a good poduct and they honor their warranty if something happens with the my fixture.

Best Regards and peace!
They are actually too war in the world!!!

What if a company went around bashing other companies' products while lying about the other companies' products and their own? Would you feel differently if people had something to say about it?

gcarroll · 09/16/2011, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MedRed

Anyone have a PR-156 that they would be willing to let Advanced Aquarist evaluate?

Sanjay already did. We will here about it in his next article.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmrossetti

got it, so how does it stack up. i've nothing to compare it to.

We will wait for Sanjay's report.

moonpod · 09/16/2011, 08:52 AM

I don't have a pr156. I have one of the 100w spots by them and two of the p38 bulbs and the moonlight. Re: pricing....I got the 100w spot during the "summer sale", so it was pretty reasonably priced vs say an ecoxotic cannon. The par bulbs I all got used, so they were also reasonable vs the competition. The pricing is WAY out of line. The par38 are very nice vs the other bulbs I have (nano tuners, ecoxotic, no name, wingoled) and have the most output (also draw most wattage). The moonlight is frankly the coolest moonlight I've ever used....that being said it is NOT worth the retail price. Retail pricing is ludicrous. I would say that they sold me the dif 100 as a 60 deg and it "looks" like a 60 deg lens. The stuff has only been over the tank for a month or so and I've been doing a lot of "other" fiddling with the tank, but the corals (mixed softie, lps the odd sps frag) seem to "like" the light. Lots of polyp extension, "fleshy" healthy look to things. We will see. I don't have complaints about the "look". Too soon to comment on longevity. But the pricing is just ridiculous at retail.

jamesdawson · 09/16/2011, 10:14 AM

The pricing is ridiculous at retail and that is a function of the importer more then the manufacturer. So there was a built in incentive for people to puff up the product and denigrate its competition so they could make more money by selling more units and I'm sure the profit margin is pretty high.

pmrossetti · 09/16/2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesdawson

The pricing is ridiculous at retail and that is a function of the importer more then the manufacturer. So there was a built in incentive for people to puff up the product and denigrate its competition so they could make more money by selling more units and I'm sure the profit margin is pretty high.

yes, goes for Acan too.nice fixture, ridic price.

Allmost · 09/16/2011, 10:27 AM

its all lies ...

when you email and ask them about their product, they reply you with a Philosophical answer ! this shows the company is SCARED to give out info on their product. Im in the same line of business ... electrical ...

I feel bad for Peter ... getting played

09/15/2011, 08:53 AM	#1
BonsaiNut Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 4,629	If you owned Orphek... ...what would you do to improve their fixture? I have read some recent threads (and articles) that have been critical of the Orphek 156. And yet, there are some aspects of the company that I like - despite some missteps in the market. So, in the spirit of constructive feedback, what would you like to see changed for the next version of this product? __________________ "You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - The Hobbit; J. R. R. Tolkien

09/15/2011, 10:14 AM	#3
BonsaiNut Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 4,629	Greg do you have a link to info about when it was sold direct from China? I'm a little murky on my Orphek history, but I thought the story was an engineer from Israel developed the light and they produced it in Brazil(?) (at least initially?). __________________ "You are a very fine person, Mr. Baggins, and I am very fond of you; but you are only quite a little fellow in a wide world after all!" - The Hobbit; J. R. R. Tolkien

09/15/2011, 11:33 AM	#6
msr224 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 540	I would like integration with my RKE for dimming and built in drivers eliminating the power supply box. __________________ The best thing a man can do for his children is to love their mother. Current Tank Info: Just a mixed reef tank.

09/15/2011, 04:44 PM	#11
BFG Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 700	There's a story about Orphek on ReefBuilder. Can't link it here due to me using a Galaxy Tab. __________________ If you've learnt, teach. If you have, give.

09/15/2011, 05:33 PM	#16
gcarroll Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 9,666	fixed pic! __________________ Greg Carroll I will be at REEF-A-PALOOZA! SPS = Stability Promotes Success Be wary of advice coming from those who will not show you the fruits of their success! Current Tank Info: building: 250g AGE Euro tank, Abyzz A200, Vertex Supra-G filtration, Ecotech Radion Pro LEDs, ...

09/15/2011, 11:09 AM	#5
ti-christ Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 153	I own 3 fixtures from them. I'm very happy with the color and the shimming. One important point is that you do not see the color separation (blue, white, yellow-white) that you can see with Cree LED fixtures. I would like from them to be able to control more than 1 LED fixture from a single power supply. Because 1 power supply by fixture is quite bulky and it takes a lot of room. Also, one very important thing is: I would like to control these power supply from my APEX controller since my controller control everything in my system. It's cumbersome to set 6 timers (1 timer for white LED and 1 timer for Blue LED) to control 3 LED fixtures. My setup is new, so I cannot comment on coral grow!!!

09/15/2011, 12:34 PM	#8
KafudaFish Cyprinius carpio Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,496	Does this have anything to do with other companies products?

09/15/2011, 01:18 PM	#9
pmrossetti Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cali. Posts: 3,199	don't know, but there always seems to be controversies around Orphek. just come out and clear things up. anyone open a fixture to see what's inside? and the optics thing bothers me. and the price.

09/15/2011, 05:22 PM	#15
pmrossetti Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cali. Posts: 3,199	got it, so how does it stack up. i've nothing to compare it to.

09/15/2011, 05:37 PM	#17
pmrossetti Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cali. Posts: 3,199	got it, so how does it stack up. i've nothing to compare it to.

09/15/2011, 05:56 PM	#18
MedRed Registered Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,035	Anyone have a PR-156 that they would be willing to let Advanced Aquarist evaluate? __________________ 60 Gallon Current Solana XL 24x24x24 Cube: SPS/LPS/NPS/Softie/Invert Reef Candy Basslet Pair Showcase \| Minimalist Aquascape

09/15/2011, 07:47 PM	#19
ti-christ Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 153	I don't understand all the bashing around this company?!?! When someone buys an iPhone or a Sony LED, do the company specify in detail all parts inside their product??? Apple gives no information about what is inside. Probably their iPhone cost less than 100$ to manufacturer (once your iPhone battery is dead, it cost only 89$ to get a brand new). But Apple sells their iPhone for 800$. So, is it over price? Yes, but people wants them. So they buy it. Is the Orphek fixture over price? Yes, but i cannot complaint about the quality of fixture. Once again, I will tell in 6 months if My SPS is growing well !!! But they are not perfect and their product can be improved but so far i am happy with it. There is no dimming like the MH but people are very happy with MH. So dimming is just a gizmo but it is useless. Coral does not care about dimmimg. I also do not have any relationship or any $$$ to write this email. But i am tired to read that people does not like them because they dont tell with LED they are using or where the company is from! Personally I dont care if they have a good poduct and they honor their warranty if something happens with the my fixture. Best Regards and peace! They are actually too war in the world!!!

09/16/2011, 08:52 AM	#22
moonpod Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: B.H., Los Angeles Posts: 13,053	I don't have a pr156. I have one of the 100w spots by them and two of the p38 bulbs and the moonlight. Re: pricing....I got the 100w spot during the "summer sale", so it was pretty reasonably priced vs say an ecoxotic cannon. The par bulbs I all got used, so they were also reasonable vs the competition. The pricing is WAY out of line. The par38 are very nice vs the other bulbs I have (nano tuners, ecoxotic, no name, wingoled) and have the most output (also draw most wattage). The moonlight is frankly the coolest moonlight I've ever used....that being said it is NOT worth the retail price. Retail pricing is ludicrous. I would say that they sold me the dif 100 as a 60 deg and it "looks" like a 60 deg lens. The stuff has only been over the tank for a month or so and I've been doing a lot of "other" fiddling with the tank, but the corals (mixed softie, lps the odd sps frag) seem to "like" the light. Lots of polyp extension, "fleshy" healthy look to things. We will see. I don't have complaints about the "look". Too soon to comment on longevity. But the pricing is just ridiculous at retail. __________________ Excuses are just the nails for the house of failure. Current Tank Info: 32" Leemar starfire cube now empty and not quite so stinky

09/16/2011, 10:14 AM	#23
jamesdawson Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: I AM THE SEA Posts: 1,303	The pricing is ridiculous at retail and that is a function of the importer more then the manufacturer. So there was a built in incentive for people to puff up the product and denigrate its competition so they could make more money by selling more units and I'm sure the profit margin is pretty high. __________________ Old Reefers Never Die, they just...join the crew! Current Tank Info: I'm expanding my reach

09/16/2011, 10:27 AM	#25
Allmost Moved On Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: canada, toronto Posts: 8,161	its all lies ... when you email and ask them about their product, they reply you with a Philosophical answer ! this shows the company is SCARED to give out info on their product. Im in the same line of business ... electrical ... I feel bad for Peter ... getting played

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