Are these Dead, or just coloring up?Pictures Inside.

Reef264 · 11/04/2011, 08:10 PM

I have had some Monti's & 1 Acro that are not up to par on what there color should be.I have some pictures.

A Frag I bought a month or so ago, that was brown with yellow polyps when I got it.
Today:

This next Monti I have had for 5 months.It was brown, then colored up to neon green in about 8 weeks.But now seems as if it may be dying.Because there is purple corraline Growing on it.But it is still encrusting.
Today:

This here Monti I bought for a steal, and I don't know what kind of growth is happening there.I have noticed some
But not much.It has been 6 weeks.No color up at all.Which, I mean I have seen monti's that didn't color up for 8 months.
Today:

Here is a Green Birdsnest that got hit pretty bad with RTN (Rapid Tissue Necrosis), due to a clam dying.But I think it is trying to make a comeback, because some of the tissue survived, and I am starting to see litter polyps on parts of it.It was thriving before the RTN, so it was a heartbreaker.
Today:

TucanSam007 · 11/04/2011, 08:35 PM

It's tough to tell from the pics, I've had stuff completely washed out/browned out that's bounced back. Id say unless you see film algae growing on it hold on to it and keep your fingers crossed

Reef264 · 11/04/2011, 08:38 PM

Ok Tucan, Thanks, will do.

chefzif · 11/04/2011, 09:50 PM

They look like they have seen there day!

crawlerman · 11/04/2011, 09:53 PM

I'd say # one is alive. I can't tell on number 2, but it doesn't look too good if it is alive. #3 looks alive. Birds nest looks rough, but there is live tissue as you said. Are you sure that bubble is not stinging it. Their sweepers can reach out pretty far and sting.

Reef264 · 11/04/2011, 10:03 PM

The bubble is farther away than it looks, about 2" away.I think I need to re-evaluate my SPS Feeding.What do all of you feed your SPS?And how often?

reefinder · 11/04/2011, 11:42 PM

dont feed, get your water chemistry in check first and then down the road waste your money on coral food.

Reef264 · 11/05/2011, 12:51 AM

I am A bit picky about my water chemistry.Ammonia, Nitrites, Nitrates, Phosphate all 0.

discus513 · 11/05/2011, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reef264

The bubble is farther away than it looks, about 2" away.I think I need to re-evaluate my SPS Feeding.What do all of you feed your SPS?And how often?

I dont think 2'' is far enough away, I have seen them sweep 4''+ before, I agree you may want to move one or the other.

REEF SMAC · 11/05/2011, 01:19 AM

Hard to tell from the pics. Although they seem to be still alive, something looks to be stressing them out though. #2 especially. They should be looking a lot better.

defchild84 · 11/05/2011, 01:36 AM

#1 is still alive. #2 is gone. #3 could use care, along with number one , and I would break off the dead pieces on the birds nest.

acroholicreefer · 11/05/2011, 06:52 AM

1) alive

2) dead

3) alive (looks the most alive to me compared to the others)

4) alive

If you are running gfo, turn it off. Montis and birdsnest are really hardy. The only time I see them not doing well is when the zooplankton is stripped from the water column.

Reef Bass · 11/05/2011, 08:02 AM

Seeing multiple species of coral not at their best to me suggests a water chemistry issue with at least one of the big three compounds - alk, ca and mag. It's good that you also monitor other items ('trites, 'trates, 'phates, ammonia), but I'd look into your alk, ca and mag.

chefzif · 11/05/2011, 08:35 AM

If you are saying your water chemistry is in check your test kits may be giving you false readings! by the look of the corals I would really look at your alk! IMO

madkeenreefer · 11/05/2011, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reef Bass

Seeing multiple species of coral not at their best to me suggests a water chemistry issue with at least one of the big three compounds - alk, ca and mag. It's good that you also monitor other items ('trites, 'trates, 'phates, ammonia), but I'd look into your alk, ca and mag.

+1 , also I would aim abit higher for the nitrates then zero.

Reef264 · 11/05/2011, 10:43 AM

Good point chefzif, I may be due for new test kits!Because something has to be wrong, or else we wouldn't be having this discussion here.I am going to look into test kits.Also, I am going to start buying the best looking corals, not the cheapest...

29reef · 11/05/2011, 11:42 AM

I suggest that you buy premium kits and keep the basics alive before you buy premium corals.

Reef264 · 11/05/2011, 11:55 AM

29reef, great advice.I plan on doing just that.

rmalone · 11/05/2011, 12:36 PM

What are you testing nitrates and phosphates with. Anything but a meter is useless for phosphates. On the nitrate side I have seen api and ocean give false negatives, only to find out via Salifert and Lamotte that nitrates were at 25ppm. At the least you need a low range nitrate kit, if the first color difference is at 5 or 10ppm that aint good enough. The good kits start at .25ppm and have 3-4 color changes between that and 10ppm. IMO very few tanks are actually at 0phos or 0nitrate.

Reef264 · 11/05/2011, 07:41 PM

I have Salifert test kits.

allsps40 · 11/06/2011, 11:50 AM

Seeing that many dead sps makes me think something is not right with the tank.

Reef264 · 11/06/2011, 11:25 PM

I was just thinking that myself, I went and got new Nitrate, Phosphate, and Ammonia test kits today.I really didn't see much difference in Results.Nitrates are 0 still, Ammonia is 0 still, But I did see a difference on the phosphates, 0.2., formerly tested at 0.I did a calcium test, it was 500, not horrible, but not what I prefer.ALK is 10dKH.Magnesium is 1400.

allsps40 · 11/08/2011, 11:19 AM

Looks like you have a lot of soft corals in the tank. SPS do not like being around a lot of softies, chemical war fare.

Reef264 · 11/08/2011, 11:30 AM

Allsps40, I had considered this.I may take them out.

11/04/2011, 09:50 PM	#4
chefzif Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Stow,Ohio Posts: 1,662	They look like they have seen there day! __________________ 205g AGE Starfire, ATI T5 Hybrid Lighting, Octopus Extreme 3000 Skimmer, 2-Tunze 6105, 7096 Tunze Controller, 6215 Tunze Wave Maker, Tunze Osmolator, Apex Controller, GEO 618 Calcium Reactor, 285g Sys

11/04/2011, 10:03 PM	#6
Reef264 Where's The Reef? Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southaven, Ms Posts: 2,098	The bubble is farther away than it looks, about 2" away.I think I need to re-evaluate my SPS Feeding.What do all of you feed your SPS?And how often? __________________ I'd rather Die on my feet, than Live on my Knees. Current Tank Info: 150g SPS Reef, 2x250w 14k Pheonix Metal Halides w/T-5 Actinics, 2 Tunze 6095's, Tunze 7096 controller, Ozone, Precision Marine Skimmer, Reef Octopus Bio-Churn Bio Pellet Reactor, GFO & Carbon Reactor, Ozone Reactor, ATO, Reef Keeper.

11/05/2011, 12:51 AM	#8
Reef264 Where's The Reef? Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southaven, Ms Posts: 2,098	I am A bit picky about my water chemistry.Ammonia, Nitrites, Nitrates, Phosphate all 0. __________________ I'd rather Die on my feet, than Live on my Knees. Current Tank Info: 150g SPS Reef, 2x250w 14k Pheonix Metal Halides w/T-5 Actinics, 2 Tunze 6095's, Tunze 7096 controller, Ozone, Precision Marine Skimmer, Reef Octopus Bio-Churn Bio Pellet Reactor, GFO & Carbon Reactor, Ozone Reactor, ATO, Reef Keeper.

11/05/2011, 01:36 AM	#11
defchild84 Registered Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 508	#1 is still alive. #2 is gone. #3 could use care, along with number one , and I would break off the dead pieces on the birds nest. __________________ God bless Acropora.

11/05/2011, 08:02 AM	#13
Reef Bass colors and textures Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Petaluma CA Posts: 6,301	Seeing multiple species of coral not at their best to me suggests a water chemistry issue with at least one of the big three compounds - alk, ca and mag. It's good that you also monitor other items ('trites, 'trates, 'phates, ammonia), but I'd look into your alk, ca and mag. __________________ The human desires for instant gratification and immediate problem resolution cannot be satisfied with this hobby. Former president and co-president of the Wine Country Reefers. Current Tank Info: 60 gallons of Scleractinia and Zoanthidae lit w/ LEDs

11/04/2011, 08:10 PM	#1
Reef264 Where's The Reef? Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southaven, Ms Posts: 2,098	Are these Dead, or just coloring up?Pictures Inside. I have had some Monti's & 1 Acro that are not up to par on what there color should be.I have some pictures. A Frag I bought a month or so ago, that was brown with yellow polyps when I got it. Today: This next Monti I have had for 5 months.It was brown, then colored up to neon green in about 8 weeks.But now seems as if it may be dying.Because there is purple corraline Growing on it.But it is still encrusting. Today: This here Monti I bought for a steal, and I don't know what kind of growth is happening there.I have noticed some But not much.It has been 6 weeks.No color up at all.Which, I mean I have seen monti's that didn't color up for 8 months. Today: Here is a Green Birdsnest that got hit pretty bad with RTN (Rapid Tissue Necrosis), due to a clam dying.But I think it is trying to make a comeback, because some of the tissue survived, and I am starting to see litter polyps on parts of it.It was thriving before the RTN, so it was a heartbreaker. Today: __________________ I'd rather Die on my feet, than Live on my Knees. Current Tank Info: 150g SPS Reef, 2x250w 14k Pheonix Metal Halides w/T-5 Actinics, 2 Tunze 6095's, Tunze 7096 controller, Ozone, Precision Marine Skimmer, Reef Octopus Bio-Churn Bio Pellet Reactor, GFO & Carbon Reactor, Ozone Reactor, ATO, Reef Keeper.

11/04/2011, 08:35 PM	#2
TucanSam007 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Suffolk, Long Island Posts: 652	It's tough to tell from the pics, I've had stuff completely washed out/browned out that's bounced back. Id say unless you see film algae growing on it hold on to it and keep your fingers crossed __________________ 65g sps tank, 20L sump, Apex, ATI Sunpower 6x39/Reef brite, SSA CS1, 2xMP10wes & 1 MP40wes, Eheim 1260, Tunze Osmolator, Two-part, GFO/Gac

11/04/2011, 08:38 PM	#3
Reef264 Where's The Reef? Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southaven, Ms Posts: 2,098	Ok Tucan, Thanks, will do. __________________ I'd rather Die on my feet, than Live on my Knees. Current Tank Info: 150g SPS Reef, 2x250w 14k Pheonix Metal Halides w/T-5 Actinics, 2 Tunze 6095's, Tunze 7096 controller, Ozone, Precision Marine Skimmer, Reef Octopus Bio-Churn Bio Pellet Reactor, GFO & Carbon Reactor, Ozone Reactor, ATO, Reef Keeper.

11/04/2011, 09:53 PM	#5
crawlerman Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 503	I'd say # one is alive. I can't tell on number 2, but it doesn't look too good if it is alive. #3 looks alive. Birds nest looks rough, but there is live tissue as you said. Are you sure that bubble is not stinging it. Their sweepers can reach out pretty far and sting.

11/04/2011, 11:42 PM	#7
reefinder Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 455	dont feed, get your water chemistry in check first and then down the road waste your money on coral food.

11/05/2011, 01:19 AM	#10
REEF SMAC Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Salinas CA Posts: 875	Hard to tell from the pics. Although they seem to be still alive, something looks to be stressing them out though. #2 especially. They should be looking a lot better.

11/05/2011, 06:52 AM	#12
acroholicreefer Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 439	1) alive 2) dead 3) alive (looks the most alive to me compared to the others) 4) alive If you are running gfo, turn it off. Montis and birdsnest are really hardy. The only time I see them not doing well is when the zooplankton is stripped from the water column.

11/05/2011, 08:35 AM	#14
chefzif Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Stow,Ohio Posts: 1,662	If you are saying your water chemistry is in check your test kits may be giving you false readings! by the look of the corals I would really look at your alk! IMO __________________ 205g AGE Starfire, ATI T5 Hybrid Lighting, Octopus Extreme 3000 Skimmer, 2-Tunze 6105, 7096 Tunze Controller, 6215 Tunze Wave Maker, Tunze Osmolator, Apex Controller, GEO 618 Calcium Reactor, 285g Sys

11/05/2011, 10:43 AM	#16
Reef264 Where's The Reef? Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southaven, Ms Posts: 2,098	Good point chefzif, I may be due for new test kits!Because something has to be wrong, or else we wouldn't be having this discussion here.I am going to look into test kits.Also, I am going to start buying the best looking corals, not the cheapest... __________________ I'd rather Die on my feet, than Live on my Knees. Current Tank Info: 150g SPS Reef, 2x250w 14k Pheonix Metal Halides w/T-5 Actinics, 2 Tunze 6095's, Tunze 7096 controller, Ozone, Precision Marine Skimmer, Reef Octopus Bio-Churn Bio Pellet Reactor, GFO & Carbon Reactor, Ozone Reactor, ATO, Reef Keeper.

11/05/2011, 11:42 AM	#17
29reef It's all about the flow Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Huntington Beach OC Posts: 3,643	I suggest that you buy premium kits and keep the basics alive before you buy premium corals. __________________ -Brian RIP-The Metal Halide- My SPS may never know such a great friend again. Current Tank Info: Currently Tankless

11/05/2011, 11:55 AM	#18
Reef264 Where's The Reef? Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southaven, Ms Posts: 2,098	29reef, great advice.I plan on doing just that. __________________ I'd rather Die on my feet, than Live on my Knees. Current Tank Info: 150g SPS Reef, 2x250w 14k Pheonix Metal Halides w/T-5 Actinics, 2 Tunze 6095's, Tunze 7096 controller, Ozone, Precision Marine Skimmer, Reef Octopus Bio-Churn Bio Pellet Reactor, GFO & Carbon Reactor, Ozone Reactor, ATO, Reef Keeper.

11/05/2011, 12:36 PM	#19
rmalone Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 70	What are you testing nitrates and phosphates with. Anything but a meter is useless for phosphates. On the nitrate side I have seen api and ocean give false negatives, only to find out via Salifert and Lamotte that nitrates were at 25ppm. At the least you need a low range nitrate kit, if the first color difference is at 5 or 10ppm that aint good enough. The good kits start at .25ppm and have 3-4 color changes between that and 10ppm. IMO very few tanks are actually at 0phos or 0nitrate.

11/05/2011, 07:41 PM	#20
Reef264 Where's The Reef? Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southaven, Ms Posts: 2,098	I have Salifert test kits. __________________ I'd rather Die on my feet, than Live on my Knees. Current Tank Info: 150g SPS Reef, 2x250w 14k Pheonix Metal Halides w/T-5 Actinics, 2 Tunze 6095's, Tunze 7096 controller, Ozone, Precision Marine Skimmer, Reef Octopus Bio-Churn Bio Pellet Reactor, GFO & Carbon Reactor, Ozone Reactor, ATO, Reef Keeper.

11/06/2011, 11:50 AM	#21
allsps40 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Arizona Posts: 4,627	Seeing that many dead sps makes me think something is not right with the tank. __________________ __________ Current Tank Info: Past reef tanks: 20H softy, 29G mixed reef, 55G mixed reef, 40B sps dominant mixed reef and 75G sps dominant mixed reef. No tank currently

11/06/2011, 11:25 PM	#22
Reef264 Where's The Reef? Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southaven, Ms Posts: 2,098	I was just thinking that myself, I went and got new Nitrate, Phosphate, and Ammonia test kits today.I really didn't see much difference in Results.Nitrates are 0 still, Ammonia is 0 still, But I did see a difference on the phosphates, 0.2., formerly tested at 0.I did a calcium test, it was 500, not horrible, but not what I prefer.ALK is 10dKH.Magnesium is 1400. __________________ I'd rather Die on my feet, than Live on my Knees. Current Tank Info: 150g SPS Reef, 2x250w 14k Pheonix Metal Halides w/T-5 Actinics, 2 Tunze 6095's, Tunze 7096 controller, Ozone, Precision Marine Skimmer, Reef Octopus Bio-Churn Bio Pellet Reactor, GFO & Carbon Reactor, Ozone Reactor, ATO, Reef Keeper.

11/08/2011, 11:19 AM	#23
allsps40 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Arizona Posts: 4,627	Looks like you have a lot of soft corals in the tank. SPS do not like being around a lot of softies, chemical war fare. __________________ __________ Current Tank Info: Past reef tanks: 20H softy, 29G mixed reef, 55G mixed reef, 40B sps dominant mixed reef and 75G sps dominant mixed reef. No tank currently

11/08/2011, 11:30 AM	#24
Reef264 Where's The Reef? Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southaven, Ms Posts: 2,098	Allsps40, I had considered this.I may take them out. __________________ I'd rather Die on my feet, than Live on my Knees. Current Tank Info: 150g SPS Reef, 2x250w 14k Pheonix Metal Halides w/T-5 Actinics, 2 Tunze 6095's, Tunze 7096 controller, Ozone, Precision Marine Skimmer, Reef Octopus Bio-Churn Bio Pellet Reactor, GFO & Carbon Reactor, Ozone Reactor, ATO, Reef Keeper.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
SPS PREADATORS Red bugs, AEFW's ,Monti nudis and Sea spiders. Pictures Inside	clkwrk	SPS Keepers	406	06/17/2010 05:26 AM
150 gallon... pictures inside	slobound	SPS Keepers	125	01/09/2008 06:16 PM
Help with unwanted growth. Pictures inside.	FuriaReef	New to the Hobby	4	08/13/2006 11:41 PM
lots of stuff for sale (fish, decorations..ect).... pictures inside	Cockatoo	Chicagoland Marine Aquarium Society (CMAS)	14	05/10/2006 10:14 PM
New 125 On The Block - Watch The Process! Pictures Inside	TJcop	Reef Discussion	417	05/06/2006 04:59 AM