overflow with no drilled tank

jones02 · 11/22/2011, 12:24 PM

So I don't jave a drilled tank annd I'm not sure I want to try to drill my 90g. I wasn't going to use a sump but I thought I would price out doing 1. How would I run a sump and overflow without it overflowing whenn power goes out and everything? All info woild be great. Even a diagram of how to set it up would be amazing! Thanks.

jones02 · 11/22/2011, 12:27 PM

Almost forgot I want to have a fuge in the sump aswell. I'm going to me using a 20 or 30 gallon tank to make a sump.

Saltyjam · 11/22/2011, 12:51 PM

There are overflow options available without drilling your tank, such as the CPR C-Siphon overflow. When the power goes out the water level in your Display tank will drop to the level of the overflow intake (not much) and will drain into your sump. When the power starts up water will be pumped from the sump up to your tank again so it is important that this siphon over flow starts again. This model has a pump to prime the overflow. The other thing to consider is that the water in your return pipe and the water above the overflow level is going to drain into your sump, so you do not want to keep the water level too high in there.

Saltyjam · 11/22/2011, 12:57 PM

I priced it out once, for requirements a little less than yours, and in Canada I was looking around $350 for overflow, pump, plumbing and a good used sump. Ballpark figure, your probably looking at a minimum $450

jones02 · 11/22/2011, 03:01 PM

Thanks. I looked up there overflows and I found a CPR CSC0 overflow rated for 600GPH thenhave that drain into a filter sock go thru bio balls then into a fuge then last area have my skimmer and a aquatics pro 3000 water pump (or mag??) I have a 20g and a 30g. Prolly going to have to use the 30g. Not sure of what skimmer as of yet cuz I duno if I wanted a HOB or buy a new stand and do a sump. How would this sump/fuge set up be? I'm new to saltwater so all help would be great!

Saltyjam · 11/22/2011, 03:43 PM

If you have the resources, a sump is typically the preferred way to go. It keeps things out of your tank, increases total water volume, and gives you more options with skimmers and media reactors and such. Most people will have the skimmer in the first chamber of their sump and their fuge last. Some people use their refuge for remote DSB's (deep sand beds) and macro algae but their primary function is a location for beneficial critters to grow away from predation in your display tank. For this reason, it goes last, so that these critters can travel through to your DT without going through your skimmer, and anything else you may decide to put in there.

Johnwayne · 12/18/2011, 10:51 PM

check petsandponds they have a good selection and ar local to us in ontario, free shipping over 200......sorry if i wasnt supposed to post that whoever it may concern

Johnwayne · 12/18/2011, 10:53 PM

where abouts in ont are you

daplatapus · 12/18/2011, 11:09 PM

I think once you have your tank for a bit, you will regret no looking into drilling your tank. I was nervous too when I did mine this summer so I brought it to a glass place and they drilled the tank for me. I can't remember who it was though... budget glass or somebody like that. Most of them have all the bits and so on and they know what to look for if it's tempered. (but I would still point it out to them to check first). Or if you're a DIY kinda guy or girl, you can but the bit and do it yourself. It's way easier than you think. Just watch a couple youtube video's and you're set.
I'm totally kicking myself for not drilling for my returns, but now that the tank has water in it, it's wayyyy too late and I have to live with it until I upgrade my tank.

Johnwayne · 12/19/2011, 10:49 PM

i bought an eshopps 1200 overflow today and its great, im only running one of the tubes and its dead silent. im guessing around 500gh. ive turned the pump on and off a hundred ant it starts back up every timewithout any help.

11/22/2011, 12:24 PM	#1
jones02 Registered Member. Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ontario Posts: 71	overflow with no drilled tank So I don't jave a drilled tank annd I'm not sure I want to try to drill my 90g. I wasn't going to use a sump but I thought I would price out doing 1. How would I run a sump and overflow without it overflowing whenn power goes out and everything? All info woild be great. Even a diagram of how to set it up would be amazing! Thanks.

12/18/2011, 11:09 PM	#9
daplatapus Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Port Alberni, B.C., Canada Posts: 895	I think once you have your tank for a bit, you will regret no looking into drilling your tank. I was nervous too when I did mine this summer so I brought it to a glass place and they drilled the tank for me. I can't remember who it was though... budget glass or somebody like that. Most of them have all the bits and so on and they know what to look for if it's tempered. (but I would still point it out to them to check first). Or if you're a DIY kinda guy or girl, you can but the bit and do it yourself. It's way easier than you think. Just watch a couple youtube video's and you're set. I'm totally kicking myself for not drilling for my returns, but now that the tank has water in it, it's wayyyy too late and I have to live with it until I upgrade my tank. __________________ 130 lbs Tonga LR, GFO and Carbon reactors, Tunze ozmolator ATO, 2- 20 gal QT tanks, Current Tank Info: 80 gal display 48L X 24H X16D, 2 MP-40's, Odyssea 2-250W MH 4-HO T-5 Actinic's, 80 lbs Aragonite sand, 4 - 150W titanium heaters, Reeflo Baracuda return pump, 150gal sump, Filter Guys Reef Miser 6 stage + 1 Dual RO/DI, LifeReef 48" Skimmer

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11/22/2011, 12:27 PM	#2
jones02 Registered Member. Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ontario Posts: 71	Almost forgot I want to have a fuge in the sump aswell. I'm going to me using a 20 or 30 gallon tank to make a sump.

11/22/2011, 12:51 PM	#3
Saltyjam Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NB, Canada Posts: 43	There are overflow options available without drilling your tank, such as the CPR C-Siphon overflow. When the power goes out the water level in your Display tank will drop to the level of the overflow intake (not much) and will drain into your sump. When the power starts up water will be pumped from the sump up to your tank again so it is important that this siphon over flow starts again. This model has a pump to prime the overflow. The other thing to consider is that the water in your return pipe and the water above the overflow level is going to drain into your sump, so you do not want to keep the water level too high in there.

11/22/2011, 12:57 PM	#4
Saltyjam Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NB, Canada Posts: 43	I priced it out once, for requirements a little less than yours, and in Canada I was looking around $350 for overflow, pump, plumbing and a good used sump. Ballpark figure, your probably looking at a minimum $450

11/22/2011, 03:01 PM	#5
jones02 Registered Member. Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ontario Posts: 71	Thanks. I looked up there overflows and I found a CPR CSC0 overflow rated for 600GPH thenhave that drain into a filter sock go thru bio balls then into a fuge then last area have my skimmer and a aquatics pro 3000 water pump (or mag??) I have a 20g and a 30g. Prolly going to have to use the 30g. Not sure of what skimmer as of yet cuz I duno if I wanted a HOB or buy a new stand and do a sump. How would this sump/fuge set up be? I'm new to saltwater so all help would be great!

11/22/2011, 03:43 PM	#6
Saltyjam Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NB, Canada Posts: 43	If you have the resources, a sump is typically the preferred way to go. It keeps things out of your tank, increases total water volume, and gives you more options with skimmers and media reactors and such. Most people will have the skimmer in the first chamber of their sump and their fuge last. Some people use their refuge for remote DSB's (deep sand beds) and macro algae but their primary function is a location for beneficial critters to grow away from predation in your display tank. For this reason, it goes last, so that these critters can travel through to your DT without going through your skimmer, and anything else you may decide to put in there.

12/18/2011, 10:51 PM	#7
Johnwayne Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ont Posts: 157	check petsandponds they have a good selection and ar local to us in ontario, free shipping over 200......sorry if i wasnt supposed to post that whoever it may concern

12/18/2011, 10:53 PM	#8
Johnwayne Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ont Posts: 157	where abouts in ont are you

12/19/2011, 10:49 PM	#10
Johnwayne Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ont Posts: 157	i bought an eshopps 1200 overflow today and its great, im only running one of the tubes and its dead silent. im guessing around 500gh. ive turned the pump on and off a hundred ant it starts back up every timewithout any help.