singularity96 overflow is killing the "bean" period!

[Drae]

I'm sure I'll get a bunch of responses on how I'm crazy, or... what do you know noob? I can care less. Reefing isn't rocket, or even, exacting science to tell you the truth and I'm outspoken about my opinions. Imho... the bean isn't law people. Duh... *Drae* flame on drones!

[Drae]

Btw... i think a debate forum would be great. Why not?

[smsreefer]

Hey Drae,
After doing a search ,I can find anything on the singularity96 overflow, you have a link ?
Thanks

[BMUR]

actually reefing is science, its called marine biology.

[fasteddie99]

Originally Posted by BMUR

actually reefing is science, its called marine biology.

plus one

Sounds like the OP "wants" friction.

[RocketEngineer]

Originally Posted by smsreefer

Hey Drae,
After doing a search ,I can find anything on the singularity96 overflow, you have a link ?
Thanks

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=1846152

All that singularity96 presented was an overflow BOX. The BeanAnimal overflow design only applies to the drain pipes. If the build uses an external drain, the designs are independent of each other. The thin profile box singularity96 presented probably does work well but I personally don't think the method of attaching the bulkheads to a piece of glass which is then siliconed to the tank is practical as it doesn't allow you to replace the bulkhead later nor tighten it if the bulkhead doesn't seal perfectly. While I like the concept of the box, the overall design can definitely be improved.

RocketEngineer

[MojaveReefer]

Originally Posted by Drae

Btw... i think a debate forum would be great. Why not?

For anyone to debate you would have to list reasons for your opinion. Just saying you think an overflow design is better than another without any justification is merely stating your opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...

[Drae]

I didn't say it wasn't " science" i said " rocket " or "exacting" science. And sure what's wrong with an intelligent debate over different methods being used. I don't need friction actually... maybe some intelligent debate, but not friction. The bean animal (imho) is a waste off plumbing parts, real estate, and its just overly redundant. That's my 2cents. *Drae*

[Drae]

No need for the dry emergency pipe at all. A Herbie with an overflow lid to keep out them pesky snails that clogged my full siphon drain a few times ( once completely even) was the only mods needed for my flawlessly, and like a fellow rc member said once, " ninja silent" Herbie to perform.

[MojaveReefer]

Originally Posted by Drae

I didn't say it wasn't " science" i said " rocket " or "exacting" science. And sure what's wrong with an intelligent debate over different methods being used. I don't need friction actually... maybe some intelligent debate, but not friction. The bean animal (imho) is a waste off plumbing parts, real estate, and its just overly redundant. That's my 2cents. *Drae*

OK I can see what you're saying there. Speaking on the point of being overly redundant though, some folks tanks we're talking thousands to tens of thousands invested. I don't think being double redundant is overkill when protecting an investment that large. Not many folks would say running 2 heaters is over doing it, why chance a system crash on something so preventable? Now I'm speaking solely in monetary terms because that would be my initial feeling if my tank crashed (that's going to cost a lot to recreate), however, you are also protecting the well being of your livestock.

[anderson0196]

Just a couple of observations...I don't have hands on experience with either.

- it seems to me this thread was started just to get a rise out of folks
- based on Drae's post in another thread I assume he has no hands on experience with this overflow

Drae - Can you elaborate on why you believe what you titled this thread?

[BMUR]

Originally Posted by Drae

I didn't say it wasn't " science" i said " rocket " or "exacting" science. And sure what's wrong with an intelligent debate over different methods being used. I don't need friction actually... maybe some intelligent debate, but not friction. The bean animal (imho) is a waste off plumbing parts, real estate, and its just overly redundant. That's my 2cents. *Drae*

yeah and rocket science has nothing to do with marine biology sooooooooooo? and exacting science??? thats why theres not going to be any intelligent debates

[Drae]

Knock all you want. My strengths are math not English. But the point is there. *Drae*

[Alysiak00]

no offense but to me it sounds like your just a friction starter. This isnt the first thread you have started containing info that could possibly get everyone in a tizzy. JMO

now as for the topic at hand, I like the bean overflow. It makes perfect sense and allows for the whoopsie factor. I also, think why not add a little extra pipe as a safety net. I dont think a few extra dollers in pvc is enough to override a tank crash. I think these kind of topics are like comparing a kia to a cadillac. Some people like them, some people need them, and some cost more. In the end, it is still a piece of equipment and a technique and everyone uses different setups. If you would rather use less pvc and use a single drain per se, then go for it. If you want a bean (or similiar) overflow that uses more pvc but has more science (rocket, exact, or marine) then so be it. To each there own

[Richard Reefer]

I don't see a valid point here, both systems have their pro's and con's.

If your sole arguement rests in a few extra dollars in plumbing parts, perhaps this is the wrong hobby for you. As far as space is concerned you can always have an external overflow taking up no area inside the tank. With respect to redundancy when it comes to tens of thousands of dollars or more invested, the countless amount of time involved, and the well being of the livestock, I can't think of any amount of redundancy being unnecessary.

[Drae]

Maybe i just keep it real. What thread are you referring to? Maybe i was misunderstood.

[Drae]

Originally Posted by Richard Reefer

I don't see a valid point here, both systems have their pro's and con's.

If your sole arguement rests in a few extra dollars in plumbing parts, perhaps this is the wrong hobby for you. As far as space is concerned you can always have an external overflow taking up no area inside the tank. With respect to redundancy when it comes to tens of thousands of dollars or more invested, the countless amount of time involved, and the well being of the livestock, I can't think of any amount of redundancy being unnecessary.

I actually agree with you. I'm aware of the different methods of draining and returning water to an aquarium. I wanted to see if i got flamwd for just an honest opinion. I actually am a fan of redundancy, just not beans. And i wanted to prove to my wife that controversy( not good questions) rule these boards sometimes. And I wanted her to see how easy it was to get a thread closed. I made my point. I don't start stuff on here. She was reading some ome past

[Alysiak00]

if your sole purpose was to get a thread closed then im sorry to hear that.

your point has apparently been made. Good day

[csmfish]

First of all, if your gonna start trouble, like said, take a little time to be a little more descriptive as i had no idea what your talking about, why your thoughts were your thoughts or what.


Yea, good luck with that design. You need at least a fist wide area to get in there to clean and get fish, so, your right back at the beginning of the coast to coast over flow. If it was just for water flow, would be great but there are more things in play than just water. Totaly impractical for our use.




Hypochondriac oranges, the world is ending, thats all I am saying!

[Drae]

Sorry about that. She read a few posts that she thought should have been closed but nope. Actually was just making a point to the wife. My other threads got completely taken off the forum. And i didn't violate a single rule.

[anderson0196]

Originally Posted by Drae

Maybe i just keep it real. What thread are you referring to? Maybe i was misunderstood.

I'm referring to your post at the end of this thread

To say one design is "killing" another is a strong opinion that I would think should come with actual hands on experience.

Maybe I misunderstood though.

[Richard Reefer]

Personally if I were you I would ask for this thread to be lock as your main intent was to prove a point to your significant other and I see this going nowhere intellectual.

As far as "controversy" over "good questions" if you take one good look at the equipment forum you can find many threads where people ask "is x better than y" or "x vs y vs z, which is best" where people debate intelligently.

[Drae]

Anyone can check my threads. I really don't start stuff. I participate to the best of my knowledge. Bean...I more then respect your wisdom and patience with helping people. Sorry i chose your thread and methods to prove a point to the wife but i knew i would rub quite a few the wrong way dropping the " beans name" ( not sarcasm btw). Just had to prove my point about controversy. My opinion matters is just that... two cents from a noob.

[BMUR]

when you end you first post with " flame on drones" its not going to go anywheres good. you are going to be treated the same way you treat other people.

[Drae]

All i really wanted is to see some power compact pics lol. Just can't seem to get any responses with a(imho) good question. Really was just a point to the wife. Please see my posts in my profile. A lot of noob questions, true, no ill will though. *Drae*