like feedback from ppl using 2MP10 on a 4' tank...

Devaji108 · 03/21/2012, 09:33 AM

I have been thinking about this for some time now. and would like first hand experience of ppl using two MP10 on a 4 foot tank...

I know I know I have read most of all the 2MP10 or 1mp40 threads even started one...

however for my system I think 2 MP10 would be a better fit then 1mp40.

the system is a 75RR and will be softie LPS and a few well placed SPS in the higher flow areas.
all that said I know there will be mix reviews and thoughts about this but was hoping get first hand feedback form other reefer that have done this.

oh and two MP40 is over my budget...thoght about 1mp10 and 1mp10 but that is more than feel I need and want to spend on PH.

Oh also would to see a video if any one has some that would be very nice.

ek9vboi · 03/21/2012, 10:43 AM

I'm against an MP10 in a 3rd tank. lol, but really I don't think it's sufficient IMO. Right now I'm running an MP40 and MP10, content but the MP10 is on full power and creates more noise as well as heat which in turns transfers to the tank and into the water.

If you can get away with one, get an MP40. Regardless, your going to spend around $400 so why not open up to other options? Tunzes are nice and have a proven track record, a lot longer then Vortecs.

username in use · 03/21/2012, 10:47 AM

2 mp10's on a softie/lps tank will be sufficient. 1 MP40 would be sufficient. So its really just what you want to do with it. I think the 2 would give you better overall control of the current than the single larger pump.

karsseboom · 03/21/2012, 11:03 AM

I had 2 mp10s on my 60g 4ft tank and I don't think the flow was strong enough. If it were me I would buy one mp40 and put a k3 or k4 on the other end.

f3honda4me · 03/21/2012, 11:12 AM

I use two MP10s on my 4' 75 gallon tank. I have them at 80% power and use tidal surge mode. I have like 8 SPS corals, along with various softy and LPS. They work great, and the flow is awesome.

Dustin1300 · 03/21/2012, 11:20 AM

I would suggest having an MP 40 on the side and an MP10 on the back. You could then use EcoSmart mode and have more control of the flow. If the tank evolves and you want to keep SPS you are better prepared too

f3honda4me · 03/21/2012, 01:01 PM

I dont think he'll have any problem keeping SPS with 2 MP10s.

Devaji108 · 03/21/2012, 03:19 PM

humm as I thought it all over the board...and rightfully so.
one of the main reasons for wanting two MP10 is the back and forth flow of the softies and nem.

also read somewhere that the undertow on the mp40 might be to much for softies and LPS.
f3honda4me
anyway you could post a video of your setup I would like to see the flow and hear the noise.

Devaji108 · 03/21/2012, 03:21 PM

also still thinking about the JBJ ocean pulse...

doctorgori · 03/21/2012, 03:45 PM

This was asked about 1 mo ago but nothing came of it....
I'm interested also because I'm considering the exact same thing for my 90....except I got an Apex and 4 koralias...subscribing

daplatapus · 03/21/2012, 05:09 PM

Actually, I'm interested as well. I'm running a Koralia Evo 1050 and 1450 in my 4' 80 Gal with a cheaper wave timer and I've certainly got some dead spots that I think would go away with a decent surge effect that I can't seem to get with the Koralia's.
Also subscribed.

feh · 03/22/2012, 04:19 AM

I have 2 MP10s on my 75 gal. I've been happy with the flow so far but I am considering adding something behind the rocks to get a little more flow back there. I think it would work nicely depending on how open you plan to keep things in the tank.

PokerReefer · 03/22/2012, 05:39 AM

I have a 48x18x18 tank with two mp40s. I run reefcrest at 100% no problem. I have mixed reef at the moment ,but am gearing towards a dominated sps tank. If two mp40's are out of your budget. Then get one mp40 and one mp10 as mentioned earlier. Sell the mp10 later and buy an mp40 when funds are available. Just pull the trigger and don't look back.

jiperalta · 03/22/2012, 06:33 AM

better question may be how much rockwork do you have. i am currently using a 40 on the side and a 10 in the back (both at 100%), but because of rock placement and returns (have penductors on them) i have a dead spot at the far front corner. About to buy a second 40. 2 10s can work, just think through existing flow patterns and tank setup.

doctorgori · 03/22/2012, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokerReefer

I have a 48x18x18 tank with two mp40s. I run reefcrest at 100% no problem. I have mixed reef at the moment ,but am gearing toward a dominated sps tank. If two mp40's are out of your budget. Then get one mp40 and one mp10 as mentioned earlier. Sell the mp10 later and buy an mp40 when funds are available. Just pull the trigger and don't look back.

ya know that is an option... but buy the MP10 1st, tyhen the MP40, then see if you can sell the MP10....hmmm

Given all of life's other priorities, I simply can bring myself to shell out almost $1000 on 2 power heads, whereas $530 for 2 MP10s or $460 seems less painful....

the 2 MP10s on paper seems more versatile than a single MP10 from a wave-making POV.

fshaqrmman · 03/22/2012, 08:13 AM

I have 2 mp10s on my 90 gallon and keep them at about 80%. Plenty of flow in my opinion.

rogersb · 03/22/2012, 10:16 AM

I have 2 mp10 on my 75 along with a mag 5 return from the sump. Plenty of flow. I have no problem with any sps or lps thriving.

Devaji108 · 03/22/2012, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doctorgori

ya know that is an option... but buy the MP10 1st, tyhen the MP40, then see if you can sell the MP10....hmmm

Given all of life's other priorities, I simply can bring myself to shell out almost $1000 on 2 power heads, whereas $530 for 2 MP10s or $460 seems less painful....

the 2 MP10s on paper seems more versatile than a single MP10 from a wave-making POV.

yes my thoughts too.

Devaji108 · 03/22/2012, 10:19 AM

do you guys that are doing have pics or vids of your tank?

Devaji108 · 03/22/2012, 10:23 AM

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[/IMG]here is a pic of my tank a while back few months...just to give an idea of the aqua scape

f3honda4me · 03/22/2012, 12:05 PM

Here is a full shot of my tank. I have quite a bit of rock work. Note the tank is only a few months old, so I don't have a ton of growth. But the frags I do have are growing fast. For corals I have:

scroll, xenia, two different acroporas, a green birdsnest, sinularia, duncan, another stylophora-type (birdsnest), orange eye leptastrea, a cyphastrea (not sure what kind), two different chalice, hydnophora, acan echinata, favite frag, hammer, torch

[IMG]http://i43.*******.com/a28x21.jpg[/IMG]

I should have video shortly

f3honda4me · 03/22/2012, 12:23 PM

note: watch videos in full screen mode. taken on an iphone so not super quality. also note the sound. you can't really hear them over the sound of my overflow and return.

Ok so here's the first video. It's of the left side of my tank. Note how close the rock is to the side and front and back/corner overflow. And yet with the MP10 you can still see stuff being pulled up from that corner which was a total deadspot with my previous powerheads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1J6EEFmidk

In the second video here, I show the undertow from the right side, as well as a few shots of some of my leathers moving in the flow, as well as my anemone which has been happy in the spot I put it since day one. It stays there, and has doubled in size since I got it 2 months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7NiFHTyODQ

I can't stress enough how great the design is of these pumps. That undertow effect is huge, and is a big part of how these pumps perform. I could never get that kind of effect on my previous pumps (koralia evos) and to get decent flow near the sand on the evos I had to deal with them blowing sand around.

Zypharus · 03/22/2012, 12:55 PM

I'm using 2 MP10's on my 4' 75g and would say the flow is sufficient. I have them set on the Tidal mode at about 80% and have had acceptable results with my few SPS and zoas. If the tank were very heavily stocked I imagine the flow would be borderline, but it has been working fine for me in a medium stocked tank. I should also add my return is doing a little under 600gph as well.

Devaji108 · 03/22/2012, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fshaqrmman

I have 2 mp10s on my 90 gallon and keep them at about 80%. Plenty of flow in my opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogersb

I have 2 mp10 on my 75 along with a mag 5 return from the sump. Plenty of flow. I have no problem with any sps or lps thriving.

Quote:

Originally Posted by f3honda4me

note: watch videos in full screen mode. taken on an iphone so not super quality. also note the sound. you can't really hear them over the sound of my overflow and return.

Ok so here's the first video. It's of the left side of my tank. Note how close the rock is to the side and front and back/corner overflow. And yet with the MP10 you can still see stuff being pulled up from that corner which was a total deadspot with my previous powerheads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1J6EEFmidk

In the second video here, I show the undertow from the right side, as well as a few shots of some of my leathers moving in the flow, as well as my anemone which has been happy in the spot I put it since day one. It stays there, and has doubled in size since I got it 2 months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7NiFHTyODQ

I can't stress enough how great the design is of these pumps. That undertow effect is huge, and is a big part of how these pumps perform. I could never get that kind of effect on my previous pumps (koralia evos) and to get decent flow near the sand on the evos I had to deal with them blowing sand around.

great! thanks for posting...

doctorgori · 03/22/2012, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zypharus

I'm using 2 MP10's on my 4' 75g and would say the flow is sufficient. I have them set on the Tidal mode at about 80% and have had acceptable results with my few SPS and zoas. If the tank were very heavily stocked I imagine the flow would be borderline, but it has been working fine for me in a medium stocked tank. I should also add my return is doing a little under 600gph as well.

I got rid of my 75G .... how thick is the glass? (wondering if a 90's glass is too thick for a mp10)

03/21/2012, 09:33 AM	#1
Devaji108 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Jackson Hole Wy Posts: 3,430	like feedback from ppl using 2MP10 on a 4' tank... I have been thinking about this for some time now. and would like first hand experience of ppl using two MP10 on a 4 foot tank... I know I know I have read most of all the 2MP10 or 1mp40 threads even started one... however for my system I think 2 MP10 would be a better fit then 1mp40. the system is a 75RR and will be softie LPS and a few well placed SPS in the higher flow areas. all that said I know there will be mix reviews and thoughts about this but was hoping get first hand feedback form other reefer that have done this. oh and two MP40 is over my budget...thoght about 1mp10 and 1mp10 but that is more than feel I need and want to spend on PH. Oh also would to see a video if any one has some that would be very nice.

03/21/2012, 10:47 AM	#3
username in use Sciencing Daily Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,560	2 mp10's on a softie/lps tank will be sufficient. 1 MP40 would be sufficient. So its really just what you want to do with it. I think the 2 would give you better overall control of the current than the single larger pump. __________________ Joshua "With fronds like these, who needs anemones?" - Albert Einstein Current Tank Info: multiple nano's sprinkled around the house

03/21/2012, 11:20 AM	#6
Dustin1300 Reefaholic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 5,135	I would suggest having an MP 40 on the side and an MP10 on the back. You could then use EcoSmart mode and have more control of the flow. If the tank evolves and you want to keep SPS you are better prepared too __________________ INDMAS President Check out my tank in the Large Tank Forums, "A Reefaholic's 1000+ Gallon Mixed Reef System Build"! Current Tank Info: 600 Gallon DT, 140 Gallon Grow Out Tank, 125 Gallon Sump, 90 Gallon Fuge, 200 Gallon Fish QT, 15 Gallon Frag QT

03/21/2012, 05:09 PM	#11
daplatapus Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Port Alberni, B.C., Canada Posts: 895	Actually, I'm interested as well. I'm running a Koralia Evo 1050 and 1450 in my 4' 80 Gal with a cheaper wave timer and I've certainly got some dead spots that I think would go away with a decent surge effect that I can't seem to get with the Koralia's. Also subscribed. __________________ 130 lbs Tonga LR, GFO and Carbon reactors, Tunze ozmolator ATO, 2- 20 gal QT tanks, Current Tank Info: 80 gal display 48L X 24H X16D, 2 MP-40's, Odyssea 2-250W MH 4-HO T-5 Actinic's, 80 lbs Aragonite sand, 4 - 150W titanium heaters, Reeflo Baracuda return pump, 150gal sump, Filter Guys Reef Miser 6 stage + 1 Dual RO/DI, LifeReef 48" Skimmer

03/22/2012, 08:13 AM	#16
fshaqrmman Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Mount Pleasant, SC Posts: 133	I have 2 mp10s on my 90 gallon and keep them at about 80%. Plenty of flow in my opinion. __________________ 90 Gallon Reef-Ready AGA, 20L Sump, (2) 250W Aqua Medic hqi pendants, Aqua Euro Chiller, (2) Vortech mp10w es, JBJ ATO

03/21/2012, 10:43 AM	#2
ek9vboi Registered Member. Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: South FL Posts: 3,027	I'm against an MP10 in a 3rd tank. lol, but really I don't think it's sufficient IMO. Right now I'm running an MP40 and MP10, content but the MP10 is on full power and creates more noise as well as heat which in turns transfers to the tank and into the water. If you can get away with one, get an MP40. Regardless, your going to spend around $400 so why not open up to other options? Tunzes are nice and have a proven track record, a lot longer then Vortecs.

03/21/2012, 11:03 AM	#4
karsseboom Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,183	I had 2 mp10s on my 60g 4ft tank and I don't think the flow was strong enough. If it were me I would buy one mp40 and put a k3 or k4 on the other end.

03/21/2012, 11:12 AM	#5
f3honda4me Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,218	I use two MP10s on my 4' 75 gallon tank. I have them at 80% power and use tidal surge mode. I have like 8 SPS corals, along with various softy and LPS. They work great, and the flow is awesome.

03/21/2012, 01:01 PM	#7
f3honda4me Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,218	I dont think he'll have any problem keeping SPS with 2 MP10s.

03/21/2012, 03:19 PM	#8
Devaji108 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Jackson Hole Wy Posts: 3,430	humm as I thought it all over the board...and rightfully so. one of the main reasons for wanting two MP10 is the back and forth flow of the softies and nem. also read somewhere that the undertow on the mp40 might be to much for softies and LPS. f3honda4me anyway you could post a video of your setup I would like to see the flow and hear the noise.

03/21/2012, 03:21 PM	#9
Devaji108 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Jackson Hole Wy Posts: 3,430	also still thinking about the JBJ ocean pulse...

03/21/2012, 03:45 PM	#10
doctorgori Moved On Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Simon Bar-Sinistar Posts: 1,097	This was asked about 1 mo ago but nothing came of it.... I'm interested also because I'm considering the exact same thing for my 90....except I got an Apex and 4 koralias...subscribing

03/22/2012, 04:19 AM	#12
feh Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Atlanta area Posts: 535	I have 2 MP10s on my 75 gal. I've been happy with the flow so far but I am considering adding something behind the rocks to get a little more flow back there. I think it would work nicely depending on how open you plan to keep things in the tank.

03/22/2012, 05:39 AM	#13
PokerReefer Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Modesto,CA. Posts: 309	I have a 48x18x18 tank with two mp40s. I run reefcrest at 100% no problem. I have mixed reef at the moment ,but am gearing towards a dominated sps tank. If two mp40's are out of your budget. Then get one mp40 and one mp10 as mentioned earlier. Sell the mp10 later and buy an mp40 when funds are available. Just pull the trigger and don't look back.

03/22/2012, 06:33 AM	#14
jiperalta Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: coolidge, ga Posts: 165	better question may be how much rockwork do you have. i am currently using a 40 on the side and a 10 in the back (both at 100%), but because of rock placement and returns (have penductors on them) i have a dead spot at the far front corner. About to buy a second 40. 2 10s can work, just think through existing flow patterns and tank setup.

03/22/2012, 10:16 AM	#17
rogersb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: white haven Posts: 1,135	I have 2 mp10 on my 75 along with a mag 5 return from the sump. Plenty of flow. I have no problem with any sps or lps thriving.

03/22/2012, 10:19 AM	#19
Devaji108 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Jackson Hole Wy Posts: 3,430	do you guys that are doing have pics or vids of your tank?

03/22/2012, 10:23 AM	#20
Devaji108 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Jackson Hole Wy Posts: 3,430	[IMG][/IMG]here is a pic of my tank a while back few months...just to give an idea of the aqua scape

03/22/2012, 12:05 PM	#21
f3honda4me Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,218	Here is a full shot of my tank. I have quite a bit of rock work. Note the tank is only a few months old, so I don't have a ton of growth. But the frags I do have are growing fast. For corals I have: scroll, xenia, two different acroporas, a green birdsnest, sinularia, duncan, another stylophora-type (birdsnest), orange eye leptastrea, a cyphastrea (not sure what kind), two different chalice, hydnophora, acan echinata, favite frag, hammer, torch [IMG]http://i43.*******.com/a28x21.jpg[/IMG] I should have video shortly

03/22/2012, 12:23 PM	#22
f3honda4me Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,218	note: watch videos in full screen mode. taken on an iphone so not super quality. also note the sound. you can't really hear them over the sound of my overflow and return. Ok so here's the first video. It's of the left side of my tank. Note how close the rock is to the side and front and back/corner overflow. And yet with the MP10 you can still see stuff being pulled up from that corner which was a total deadspot with my previous powerheads. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1J6EEFmidk In the second video here, I show the undertow from the right side, as well as a few shots of some of my leathers moving in the flow, as well as my anemone which has been happy in the spot I put it since day one. It stays there, and has doubled in size since I got it 2 months ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7NiFHTyODQ I can't stress enough how great the design is of these pumps. That undertow effect is huge, and is a big part of how these pumps perform. I could never get that kind of effect on my previous pumps (koralia evos) and to get decent flow near the sand on the evos I had to deal with them blowing sand around.

03/22/2012, 12:55 PM	#23
Zypharus Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Spring Hill, Florida Posts: 52	I'm using 2 MP10's on my 4' 75g and would say the flow is sufficient. I have them set on the Tidal mode at about 80% and have had acceptable results with my few SPS and zoas. If the tank were very heavily stocked I imagine the flow would be borderline, but it has been working fine for me in a medium stocked tank. I should also add my return is doing a little under 600gph as well. __________________ Current Tank Info: 75g mixed reef / 30g sump & refugium / EV-120 skimmer / 2x MP10w / 2x Eheim 1260 / 2x 24 LED DIY Panels / BRS Carbon reactor Last edited by Zypharus; 03/22/2012 at 01:05 PM.