Angels

Guss · 08/25/2012, 05:48 AM

Is there any angel that is reef safe? The more I read the less likely it is I will get one.

Mussin · 08/25/2012, 06:08 AM

I think the dwarf angles are considered semi freef safe. Ive had a coral beatuy and a flame angel fo a while now and have never seen them go after my corals.

edsbeaker · 08/25/2012, 06:16 AM

The only ones that I know of that are considered reef safe are Lamarck's , Swallowtails , Watanabeis, and Bellus Angelfish.

Others are hit or miss. Some may be fine and others will nip. I've taken the chance with flames, coral beauty, and multicolor, and so far haven't had problems...with a big YET at the end of the sentence!

johnike · 08/25/2012, 06:19 AM

Flame and an Eibli in a 240 here with no problems so far. I agree with everyone that says to keep them well fed to avoid coral munching.
Good luck.

BigBarnacles · 08/25/2012, 06:54 AM

I have a dwarf bicolor angel in my 75 and he's been a good boy. He only nips at algae on the rocks and leaves the corals alone.

OffDaHook · 08/25/2012, 07:07 AM

Spotbreast Angelfish (Genicanthus melanospilos)

Coffee Crazy · 08/25/2012, 10:02 AM

Angelfish are a hit and miss when it comes to keeping them in a reef tank it really comes down to each individual fish. Dwarf Angelfish have a better track record of not picking at coral compared to larger angel fish though. So if you decide to get one a dwarf angel is your best bet.Hope this helps.

reeferstace · 08/25/2012, 11:02 AM

Genicanthus angels are typically considered reef-safe. Dwarf angels very much tend to be hit or miss. I have a Pomocanthus juvenile in my tank who bothers nothing...yet

Guss · 08/25/2012, 11:45 AM

sound a little more convincing I will look into these. Thank you all!!!

freeswimmingfis · 08/25/2012, 11:49 AM

I have a small flame that is a model citizen, so far...

WillM · 08/25/2012, 06:01 PM

My flame picks at my SPS. Not incessantly, but enough that it's bugging me. Next remodeling he's probably going elsewhere.

bretcummings · 08/25/2012, 09:12 PM

I have seen SPS dominated tanks that had two regal angels. I did see the one angel was removed but it was because it was picking on the other. I have also seen gold flake angels kept with success but again these are with mainly being kept with SPS corals. I don't thin zoanthids and angela mix to well. I've done a ton of research on this because I wanted an angel but also wanted a mix reef. Im still in the build process so I don't know from personal experience.

bretcummings · 08/25/2012, 09:14 PM

Sorry but auto correct sucks. I ment to say zoanthids and angels typically don't do well together.

9501gle · 08/25/2012, 09:58 PM

If you have a good trap they aint hard to catch.

b0bab0ey · 08/26/2012, 12:27 PM

Watanabei, Bellus and Lamarck's are generally considered the most "reef safe" of the large angels. All of the dwarfs are very hit or miss. I find feeding 2-3 times a day helps.

cloak · 08/26/2012, 05:21 PM

It's a crap shoot...

I keep on hitting "snake eyes."

chrisfont23 · 08/26/2012, 05:27 PM

No. In fact my clowns nip at my coral every now and then. IMO the only reef safe fish is a dead one and even those can take down a tank when dead. Good luck.

b0bab0ey · 08/26/2012, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisfont23

No. In fact my clowns nip at my coral every now and then. IMO the only reef safe fish is a dead one and even those can take down a tank when dead. Good luck.

+1 I have a female Maroon that will push over or attack any coral I put too close to her anemone.

cloak · 08/26/2012, 05:45 PM

Woops... (I was thinking about something else)

vaporized · 08/26/2012, 05:51 PM

My flame angel is awesome. It doesn't bother any coral and is gorgeous in my tank.

Vince272992 · 08/26/2012, 06:30 PM

i LOVE lamarks angels and bellus angels and flame angels, all do good in a reef

cloak · 08/26/2012, 06:42 PM

Check these out.

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-09/jf/index.php

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...hcs3/index.php

billdogg · 08/27/2012, 08:04 AM

I have both a pygme and a flame in my 60g cube. They are both doing just fine. The pygmy has been in there for 7+ years, the flame for about 3. No problems with them nipping corals. Can't say the same about new fish additions......

Mr.Tan · 08/27/2012, 09:00 AM

I had a coral beauty for awhile until my tank crashed due to a snow storm... go figure it was the last fish to die, and did so RIGHT before power came back... It never picked at corals and was a great fish. Its pretty hit or miss like everyone else has been saying.

Joe0813 · 08/27/2012, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cloak

Check these out.

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-09/jf/index.php

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...hcs3/index.php

thanks.... that helped out in my decision

08/25/2012, 05:48 AM	#1
Guss Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: harrisburg Pa Posts: 296	Angels Is there any angel that is reef safe? The more I read the less likely it is I will get one. __________________ 150 reef tank, coralife 225 skimmer,40 gal sump,2" fine SB, 2 950gph powerheads, 2200 gph return. Temp.78, Ph 8.2, Nh3 -0, No2-0, No3-5 Ca-400, Kh-9 ,Po4-0, Mg~900, T5 6 bulb lighting, Sg 1024 Current Tank Info: 150 reef tank

08/25/2012, 06:16 AM	#3
edsbeaker Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bartlett, IL Posts: 857	The only ones that I know of that are considered reef safe are Lamarck's , Swallowtails , Watanabeis, and Bellus Angelfish. Others are hit or miss. Some may be fine and others will nip. I've taken the chance with flames, coral beauty, and multicolor, and so far haven't had problems...with a big YET at the end of the sentence! __________________ Marilyn RedSea Max-E 260

08/25/2012, 06:54 AM	#5
BigBarnacles Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Aurora, Il. Posts: 748	I have a dwarf bicolor angel in my 75 and he's been a good boy. He only nips at algae on the rocks and leaves the corals alone. __________________ “I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.” ― Hunter S. Thompson Current Tank Info: 75 gallon mixed reef. 8 gallon Nuvo.

08/25/2012, 11:02 AM	#8
reeferstace I'm a little people Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Over Yonder Posts: 1,392	Genicanthus angels are typically considered reef-safe. Dwarf angels very much tend to be hit or miss. I have a Pomocanthus juvenile in my tank who bothers nothing...yet __________________ Stacy

08/25/2012, 11:45 AM	#9
Guss Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: harrisburg Pa Posts: 296	sound a little more convincing I will look into these. Thank you all!!! __________________ 150 reef tank, coralife 225 skimmer,40 gal sump,2" fine SB, 2 950gph powerheads, 2200 gph return. Temp.78, Ph 8.2, Nh3 -0, No2-0, No3-5 Ca-400, Kh-9 ,Po4-0, Mg~900, T5 6 bulb lighting, Sg 1024 Current Tank Info: 150 reef tank

08/25/2012, 06:08 AM	#2
Mussin Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lima,Ohio Posts: 728	I think the dwarf angles are considered semi freef safe. Ive had a coral beatuy and a flame angel fo a while now and have never seen them go after my corals.

08/25/2012, 06:19 AM	#4
johnike Moved On Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bureau County Illinois Posts: 5,406	Flame and an Eibli in a 240 here with no problems so far. I agree with everyone that says to keep them well fed to avoid coral munching. Good luck.

08/25/2012, 07:07 AM	#6
OffDaHook Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Kissimmee, FL Posts: 515	Spotbreast Angelfish (Genicanthus melanospilos)

08/25/2012, 10:02 AM	#7
Coffee Crazy Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3	Angelfish are a hit and miss when it comes to keeping them in a reef tank it really comes down to each individual fish. Dwarf Angelfish have a better track record of not picking at coral compared to larger angel fish though. So if you decide to get one a dwarf angel is your best bet.Hope this helps.

08/25/2012, 11:49 AM	#10
freeswimmingfis Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Katy Tx Posts: 622	I have a small flame that is a model citizen, so far... __________________ 60x24x24, 2-AI Hydra 26HD, PM R36+ sump, WB HY-5000 pump, 2 MP40 WES, BRS Duel reactor, LifeReef Skimmer, Red Sea 50 Ozone

08/25/2012, 06:01 PM	#11
WillM Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 663	My flame picks at my SPS. Not incessantly, but enough that it's bugging me. Next remodeling he's probably going elsewhere.

08/25/2012, 09:12 PM	#12
bretcummings Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 194	I have seen SPS dominated tanks that had two regal angels. I did see the one angel was removed but it was because it was picking on the other. I have also seen gold flake angels kept with success but again these are with mainly being kept with SPS corals. I don't thin zoanthids and angela mix to well. I've done a ton of research on this because I wanted an angel but also wanted a mix reef. Im still in the build process so I don't know from personal experience.

08/25/2012, 09:14 PM	#13
bretcummings Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 194	Sorry but auto correct sucks. I ment to say zoanthids and angels typically don't do well together.

08/25/2012, 09:58 PM	#14
9501gle Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In the fish room Posts: 396	If you have a good trap they aint hard to catch. __________________ Garret Current Tank Info: 240 gal reef tank, 3 xMH400EB Icecap ballasts,12000K Reeflux bulbs in Lumenarc III reflectors, Aquatic Systems Design Kalk Reactor & Skimmer. 5500 gph Hammer Head Pump, Neptune Jr Controller, !00 gal Rubbermaid tank 2/3 full for sump.

08/26/2012, 12:27 PM	#15
b0bab0ey Moved On Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,564	Watanabei, Bellus and Lamarck's are generally considered the most "reef safe" of the large angels. All of the dwarfs are very hit or miss. I find feeding 2-3 times a day helps.

08/26/2012, 05:21 PM	#16
cloak Moved On Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 14,854	It's a crap shoot... I keep on hitting "snake eyes."

08/26/2012, 05:27 PM	#17
chrisfont23 Reef Monster Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Long Island Posts: 1,343	No. In fact my clowns nip at my coral every now and then. IMO the only reef safe fish is a dead one and even those can take down a tank when dead. Good luck.

08/26/2012, 05:45 PM	#19
cloak Moved On Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 14,854	Woops... (I was thinking about something else)

08/26/2012, 05:51 PM	#20
vaporized Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 84	My flame angel is awesome. It doesn't bother any coral and is gorgeous in my tank.

08/26/2012, 06:30 PM	#21
Vince272992 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Colorado Posts: 651	i LOVE lamarks angels and bellus angels and flame angels, all do good in a reef

08/26/2012, 06:42 PM	#22
cloak Moved On Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 14,854	Check these out. http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-09/jf/index.php http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...hcs3/index.php

08/27/2012, 08:04 AM	#23
billdogg Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Grove City, Ohio Posts: 10,806	I have both a pygme and a flame in my 60g cube. They are both doing just fine. The pygmy has been in there for 7+ years, the flame for about 3. No problems with them nipping corals. Can't say the same about new fish additions...... __________________ I'll try to be nice if you try to be smarter! I can't help that I grow older, but you can't make me grow up! Current Tank Info: 120 mixed reef with 40b sump, RO 150 skimmer, AI Sol Blue x 2, and a 60g Frag Tank with 100g rubbermaid sump. 2 x Kessil A360w lights, BM curve 5 skimmer

08/27/2012, 09:00 AM	#24
Mr.Tan Registered Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: York, PA Posts: 734	I had a coral beauty for awhile until my tank crashed due to a snow storm... go figure it was the last fish to die, and did so RIGHT before power came back... It never picked at corals and was a great fish. Its pretty hit or miss like everyone else has been saying.