Bought new fish, put in QT, now they are covered in ICH!

Reefahholic · 11/27/2012, 05:50 AM

So yeah....went and got some ICH attach to get it under control before I did hypo. I'm almost through the entire bottle and they are still covered in ICH. It did fight it off, but after water changes and not treating during my begginning stages of lowering the salinity to 1.008, the fish are covered in ICH again. Now they've been in hypo for 2 days and still covered in it. So when should I expect the hypo to reduce the amount of parasites? I will say this, I have dosed ICH attack (herbal formula) while the salinity is 1.008 and no ill affects. The stuff is pretty mild. I know that's a no no if it were copper, but it did help the outbreak a lot. I feel like it's bought me time to gather my thoughts. They say its reef safe, but I wouldn't know. Any experienced hypo people who could tell me when the ICH wil begin to submit to the low salt environment?!!

TealCobra · 11/27/2012, 06:15 AM

The cure in a bottle is unlikely to be very effective with the parasite. It will take a little bit of time for the Hypo to take care of all the parasites since it is only effective at killing them during a particular stage of their life cycle (tomont stage). That said it's very effective treatment-wise. I'd skip the bottled stuff and stay with proven treatments like Hypo.

http://atj.net.au/marineaquaria/hyposalinity.html
http://atj.net.au/marineaquaria/marineich.html

rossco838 · 11/27/2012, 07:02 AM

Quinine sulfate or chloroquine phosphate . I haven't had experience with the 2nd but the quinine sulfate worked well for me on fish like puffers who cannot handle copper. It attacks the ich at all stages of life. Had cleared up ich in as little as 7-9 days for me in the past.

Palting · 11/27/2012, 08:22 AM

I've used hyposalinity to treat Ich, with excellent results. If all you are treating for is Ich, you do not need anything else other than the hyposalinity. Once the fish has the white spots, it will take about 4-5 days for it to disappear from the fish. That's just part of the life cycle, though, and you have to continue treatment for 4-6 weeks to make sure you explode all the Ich as they turn into cysts.

rovster · 11/27/2012, 11:22 AM

Agree with the above. Keep in hypo for at least 4-6 weeks after the last spots are seen. GL, if they are still alive, then there's a chance. Make sure you are feeding a good diet as well, soaking the food in garlic, vitachem, selcon or something similar may help as well. I've only used Vitachem and occasionally garlic. Cant hurt. GL!

Reefahholic · 11/27/2012, 03:22 PM

They are all doing well this far...today the spots are minimal, and the fish seem to be tolerating well with no problems at all.

One question...I have a HUGE scooter blenny, but I don't know what they eat. He is so cool, but a very weird fish. So far he's ate some PE mysis. But...he just doesn't eat like the rest of the fish. He's a trip. Do they have something they love?

Palting · 11/27/2012, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Reefahholic

They are all doing well this far...today the spots are minimal, and the fish seem to be tolerating well with no problems at all.

One question...I have a HUGE scooter blenny, but I don't know what they eat. He is so cool, but a very weird fish. So far he's ate some PE mysis. But...he just doesn't eat like the rest of the fish. He's a trip. Do they have something they love?

Scooter blennies are part of the genus Synchiropus, same as the mandarins. They prefer live pods, and you are lucky yours eats PE mysis. All invertebrates, including pods, will not live in hyposalinity of 1.009. You can try finely chopping meaty foods and have the scooter hunt for it in the substrate, or brine shrimp.

You can also not subject him to the hypo treatment, since the mandarins are supposedly highly resistant to Ich. However, I would still treat him. I had a mandarin as one of 11 fish in a tank with Ich. I decided to take no chances and treated them all with hypo, including the mandarin. The mandarin would not eat anything prepared that I tried, not even live pods since these pods died soon after they got placed in the treatment tank. Luckily he did survive the treatment. He looked like a tadpole in the end, big head and skinny body, but now is fat and happy 3 years later.

Glad to know all your fish are doing well in hypo. Keep an eye on pH, as it has a tendency to drift low during hypo. Also, make sure to be very OC about transferring from the DT to the HT, as anything wet can carry Ich and ruin your treatment. Rinse everything well before you go from tank to tank, including your hands.

Conspiculatus · 11/28/2012, 12:59 AM

Treat with chloroquine phosphate at 8-10ppm for 10-14 days.

Painted skin · 11/28/2012, 01:32 AM

Treat all fish in hypo as we know ich is not visible to the naked eye any fish is badly covered and irritated you can pull that fish out to do a fresh water bath not dip.

Reefahholic · 11/28/2012, 05:43 AM

Well I spoke too soon. They are all covered in ICH again, even in 1.008

They are all getting kinda sluggish.

Lost a bicolor Dottyback now. WTH..I thought hypo reduced the ICH, not made it worse?

Reefahholic · 11/28/2012, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Palting

Scooter blennies are part of the genus Synchiropus, same as the mandarins. They prefer live pods, and you are lucky yours eats PE mysis. All invertebrates, including pods, will not live in hyposalinity of 1.009. You can try finely chopping meaty foods and have the scooter hunt for it in the substrate, or brine shrimp.

You can also not subject him to the hypo treatment, since the mandarins are supposedly highly resistant to Ich. However, I would still treat him. I had a mandarin as one of 11 fish in a tank with Ich. I decided to take no chances and treated them all with hypo, including the mandarin. The mandarin would not eat anything prepared that I tried, not even live pods since these pods died soon after they got placed in the treatment tank. Luckily he did survive the treatment. He looked like a tadpole in the end, big head and skinny body, but now is fat and happy 3 years later.

Glad to know all your fish are doing well in hypo. Keep an eye on pH, as it has a tendency to drift low during hypo. Also, make sure to be very OC about transferring from the DT to the HT, as anything wet can carry Ich and ruin your treatment. Rinse everything well before you go from tank to tank, including your hands.

Also, make sure to be very OC about transferring from the DT to the HT, as anything wet can carry Ich and ruin your treatment. Rinse everything well before you go from tank to tank, including your hands

What do you mean by ruin your tx? Is it possible to start the ICH cycle again even in HYPO???

11/27/2012, 05:50 AM	#1
Reefahholic Moved On Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: League City, Texas Posts: 3,974	Bought new fish, put in QT, now they are covered in ICH! So yeah....went and got some ICH attach to get it under control before I did hypo. I'm almost through the entire bottle and they are still covered in ICH. It did fight it off, but after water changes and not treating during my begginning stages of lowering the salinity to 1.008, the fish are covered in ICH again. Now they've been in hypo for 2 days and still covered in it. So when should I expect the hypo to reduce the amount of parasites? I will say this, I have dosed ICH attack (herbal formula) while the salinity is 1.008 and no ill affects. The stuff is pretty mild. I know that's a no no if it were copper, but it did help the outbreak a lot. I feel like it's bought me time to gather my thoughts. They say its reef safe, but I wouldn't know. Any experienced hypo people who could tell me when the ICH wil begin to submit to the low salt environment?!!

11/27/2012, 06:15 AM	#2
TealCobra Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 896	The cure in a bottle is unlikely to be very effective with the parasite. It will take a little bit of time for the Hypo to take care of all the parasites since it is only effective at killing them during a particular stage of their life cycle (tomont stage). That said it's very effective treatment-wise. I'd skip the bottled stuff and stay with proven treatments like Hypo. http://atj.net.au/marineaquaria/hyposalinity.html http://atj.net.au/marineaquaria/marineich.html __________________ Matt Current Tank Info: 300g Marineland DD Reef Tank

11/27/2012, 07:02 AM	#3
rossco838 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 111	Quinine sulfate or chloroquine phosphate . I haven't had experience with the 2nd but the quinine sulfate worked well for me on fish like puffers who cannot handle copper. It attacks the ich at all stages of life. Had cleared up ich in as little as 7-9 days for me in the past. Last edited by rossco838; 11/27/2012 at 07:09 AM.

11/27/2012, 08:22 AM	#4
Palting Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,912	I've used hyposalinity to treat Ich, with excellent results. If all you are treating for is Ich, you do not need anything else other than the hyposalinity. Once the fish has the white spots, it will take about 4-5 days for it to disappear from the fish. That's just part of the life cycle, though, and you have to continue treatment for 4-6 weeks to make sure you explode all the Ich as they turn into cysts. __________________ Anything I post is just an opinion. One of many in this hobby. Believe and follow at your own risk of rapid and complete annihilation of all life in your tank :) Current Tank Info: Incept 3/2010, 150 RR, 50g sump, 20g fuge, 150w 15K MH x3, T5 actinics x8, moonlight LED x6, 1400gph return, Koralia 1400 x4, 300 g skimmer, 4 tangs, 2 mandarins, 2 perc, 6 line, 3 cardinals, 2 firefish, SPS, LPS, zoas, palys, shrooms, clam

11/27/2012, 11:22 AM	#5
rovster Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Miramar, FL Posts: 7,518	Agree with the above. Keep in hypo for at least 4-6 weeks after the last spots are seen. GL, if they are still alive, then there's a chance. Make sure you are feeding a good diet as well, soaking the food in garlic, vitachem, selcon or something similar may help as well. I've only used Vitachem and occasionally garlic. Cant hurt. GL!

11/27/2012, 03:22 PM	#6
Reefahholic Moved On Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: League City, Texas Posts: 3,974	They are all doing well this far...today the spots are minimal, and the fish seem to be tolerating well with no problems at all. One question...I have a HUGE scooter blenny, but I don't know what they eat. He is so cool, but a very weird fish. So far he's ate some PE mysis. But...he just doesn't eat like the rest of the fish. He's a trip. Do they have something they love?

11/28/2012, 12:59 AM	#8
Conspiculatus Registered Member. Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: USA Posts: 56	Treat with chloroquine phosphate at 8-10ppm for 10-14 days.

11/28/2012, 01:32 AM	#9
Painted skin Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 679	Treat all fish in hypo as we know ich is not visible to the naked eye any fish is badly covered and irritated you can pull that fish out to do a fresh water bath not dip.

11/28/2012, 05:43 AM	#10
Reefahholic Moved On Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: League City, Texas Posts: 3,974	Well I spoke too soon. They are all covered in ICH again, even in 1.008 They are all getting kinda sluggish. Lost a bicolor Dottyback now. WTH..I thought hypo reduced the ICH, not made it worse?