SW Green Spotted Puffer with cloudy eye

gordonj1 · 12/21/2012, 02:06 PM

My GSP has a cloudy eye.

The levels in my tank are near perfect

ammonia 0
nitrite 0
nitrate 10 or so

He has a couldy eye, and it is getting worse.

Started Mon the 17th. Been dosing with 10 mL melafix (20g Long) everyday since Monday.

Did a water change today before dosing.

Still not looking so good.

What else can I do to help him out? He is eating and appears to be a little uncomfortable but it's not too bad.

I moved back home for christmas break and brought him and the whole tank with me. This must have really stressed him out.
I wanna do the best I can to help him out. No other fish in the tank are effected.

MrTuskfish · 12/21/2012, 02:21 PM

IMO, Melafix, and all magic remedies that claim to do everything; do absolutely nothing.Cloudy eyes are often caused by flukes. I'd use Prazi-Pro; a wormer. Its about the only med that can safely be used in a DT. If two doses of PP (about 4 days apart) don't clear it up; 2nd guess would be a bacterial infection. That can be treated with an antibiotic in a QT.

gordonj1 · 12/21/2012, 02:29 PM

He has had it in the past, and pristine H2O and melafix did the trick.

This time may be different. So the Prazi-pro is reef safe? We don't have a saltwater store really in the area unless you want to drive an hour.I would want to be 100% sure it is a parasite before I do that. Would PSP or Petsmart have it?

MrTuskfish · 12/21/2012, 05:05 PM

I really think that the eye cleared up with just the pristine water. I saw a research paper ( probably can find it sometime) that showed the tea leaves in Melafix had no real value; but whatever works.

I have no idea how you can be 100% sure of the cause, cloudy eyes are quite common; I just think flukes is the most common cause. But the fish had it before, who knows? You can give the fish a FW dip and that will dislodge flukes, but that still doesn't pinpoint the cause. PP is used by many folks as a wormer with all new fish, but in a QT. IMO & IME, PP is reef-safe and lots of folks have used it successfully in reefs . But there are people who would never trust any med in a reef tank. To be completely safe, a QT/HT should be used; but my personal experience and opinion (emphasized) is that it is safe in a reef. Feather dusters and other worms will be killed, though. PP is a very common med, but I have no idea who has it. Just call them. Flukes are not usually deadly and it would be easy to get it shipped by Dr.s F&S (or any vendor)---a lot cheaper than the gas for a 2 hour drive. Even Fed-Ex overnight is cheaper than the drive.

Mrscribbled · 12/21/2012, 09:11 PM

Melafix is more worthless than worthless period.

gordonj1 · 12/21/2012, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrTuskfish

I really think that the eye cleared up with just the pristine water. I saw a research paper ( probably can find it sometime) that showed the tea leaves in Melafix had no real value; but whatever works.

I have no idea how you can be 100% sure of the cause, cloudy eyes are quite common; I just think flukes is the most common cause. But the fish had it before, who knows? You can give the fish a FW dip and that will dislodge flukes, but that still doesn't pinpoint the cause. PP is used by many folks as a wormer with all new fish, but in a QT. IMO & IME, PP is reef-safe and lots of folks have used it successfully in reefs . But there are people who would never trust any med in a reef tank. To be completely safe, a QT/HT should be used; but my personal experience and opinion (emphasized) is that it is safe in a reef. Feather dusters and other worms will be killed, though. PP is a very common med, but I have no idea who has it. Just call them. Flukes are not usually deadly and it would be easy to get it shipped by Dr.s F&S (or any vendor)---a lot cheaper than the gas for a 2 hour drive. Even Fed-Ex overnight is cheaper than the drive.

Thank you so much for your help! I think I'm going to try a freshwater dip first and see how that goes. Then go for the chemicals. I worry about the feather dusters because I have alot of really awesome ones. I have a hitchhiking red Christmas tree worm that is getting to a very good size. I'd hate to lose any of them. Thank you again!

gordonj1 · 12/21/2012, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrscribbled

Melafix is more worthless than worthless period.

Is there any reasoning for this? I'm a scientist lmao i like proof.

b0bab0ey · 12/21/2012, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordonj1

Is there any reasoning for this? I'm a scientist lmao i like proof.

Melafix smells like turpentine because it's made from cajuput oil.

Call me old fashioned, but that's not something I'd put in my tank.

gordonj1 · 12/22/2012, 10:35 AM

Lol I think it smells more like vaporub. I'm using the API version.

MrTuskfish · 12/22/2012, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordonj1

Is there any reasoning for this? I'm a scientist lmao i like proof.

I am not a scientist. But I know that scientists must prove that something DOES work. It is nearly impossible to prove that something DOESN'T work. The anecdotal evidence on this forum is overwhelmingly negative on these API
products. I sure don't speak for Mrscribbled. But IMO & IME: the "worse than nothing"; IMO, means that the fish don't get real treatment when these magic cure-alls are used. ( Melafix even claims to treat corals!) They may even be dangerous. There are a few posts on this thread from folks who really know fish diseases and infections. I have never seen any positive comments on this stuff; other than maybe a "something disappeared and melafix happened to be in the tank" . That is only coincidence.

MrTuskfish · 12/22/2012, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordonj1

Lol I think it smells more like vaporub. I'm using the API version.

I think API is the only version. There is not a generic version.

gordonj1 · 12/26/2012, 11:56 AM

Well his eye got worse. turned from cloudy to completely white with a red dot in the middle and I thought he had completely lost his eye.
I did a small H2O change on the 22nd.
I did a freshwater dip on the 23rd.
50% H2O change on the 24th.
On the 25th he had a black dot where the red dot was. Eye movement was visible.
Today the cover over his eye is clear with a white speck and you can see an eye sunken into his head.

I'm thinking it ws an injury that got infected or something. I am still dosing melafix because it isn't hurting anything (and I have a **** ton of it). I have been soaking food in garlic and vitamin c since the 23rd for him.

Things are really looking up. I think the water change did wonders for him.

He has perked up and has been eating like a champ through the whole injury.

gordonj1 · 12/26/2012, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrTuskfish

I am not a scientist. But I know that scientists must prove that something DOES work. It is nearly impossible to prove that something DOESN'T work. The anecdotal evidence on this forum is overwhelmingly negative on these API
products. I sure don't speak for Mrscribbled. But IMO & IME: the "worse than nothing"; IMO, means that the fish don't get real treatment when these magic cure-alls are used. ( Melafix even claims to treat corals!) They may even be dangerous. There are a few posts on this thread from folks who really know fish diseases and infections. I have never seen any positive comments on this stuff; other than maybe a "something disappeared and melafix happened to be in the tank" . That is only coincidence.

You can't actually prove anything. You can only support or reject a hypothesis.

I am not only using melafix, so I think it's alright. I mean when you have a cold you don't only take cold medicine right? you keep hydrated, get rest, take medicines and whatnot.

?? nowhere on my bottle does it claim to treat corals =/

I do agree that the water changes and soaking foods are more than likely the reasons why he has improved and melafix is just a stinky additive.
=]

gordonj1 · 12/26/2012, 12:08 PM

I think I could actually run a little experiment with E.coli in my research lab.

I could test the ability of melafix to kill bacteria. That would be a nice thread.

b0bab0ey · 12/26/2012, 01:08 PM

If the eye gets swollen, epsom salt (1 tablespoon per 5 gallons) can help alleviate the swelling:

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/epsomfaqs.htm

gordonj1 · 12/28/2012, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b0bab0ey

If the eye gets swollen, epsom salt (1 tablespoon per 5 gallons) can help alleviate the swelling:

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/epsomfaqs.htm

I'll have to check it out. Thank you!

gordonj1 · 05/03/2013, 09:06 PM

Incasebsomeome searches this in the future, I figured I'd update.

He is doing great it has completely clear up months ago. He can see just as well as he did before. Not blind at all luckily!

I did tons of water changes a freshwater dip melafix and stress reducer over the course of several weeks. It got worse before it got better but he healed right up.

I think it was an injury not any sort of parasite.

12/21/2012, 02:06 PM	#1
gordonj1 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 340	SW Green Spotted Puffer with cloudy eye My GSP has a cloudy eye. The levels in my tank are near perfect ammonia 0 nitrite 0 nitrate 10 or so He has a couldy eye, and it is getting worse. Started Mon the 17th. Been dosing with 10 mL melafix (20g Long) everyday since Monday. Did a water change today before dosing. Still not looking so good. What else can I do to help him out? He is eating and appears to be a little uncomfortable but it's not too bad. I moved back home for christmas break and brought him and the whole tank with me. This must have really stressed him out. I wanna do the best I can to help him out. No other fish in the tank are effected.

12/21/2012, 02:21 PM	#2
MrTuskfish Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Wild Blue Yonder Posts: 8,887	IMO, Melafix, and all magic remedies that claim to do everything; do absolutely nothing.Cloudy eyes are often caused by flukes. I'd use Prazi-Pro; a wormer. Its about the only med that can safely be used in a DT. If two doses of PP (about 4 days apart) don't clear it up; 2nd guess would be a bacterial infection. That can be treated with an antibiotic in a QT. __________________ If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. Steve Current Tank Info: 180, 2-240 FOWLRs, 240 reef

12/21/2012, 05:05 PM	#4
MrTuskfish Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Wild Blue Yonder Posts: 8,887	I really think that the eye cleared up with just the pristine water. I saw a research paper ( probably can find it sometime) that showed the tea leaves in Melafix had no real value; but whatever works. I have no idea how you can be 100% sure of the cause, cloudy eyes are quite common; I just think flukes is the most common cause. But the fish had it before, who knows? You can give the fish a FW dip and that will dislodge flukes, but that still doesn't pinpoint the cause. PP is used by many folks as a wormer with all new fish, but in a QT. IMO & IME, PP is reef-safe and lots of folks have used it successfully in reefs . But there are people who would never trust any med in a reef tank. To be completely safe, a QT/HT should be used; but my personal experience and opinion (emphasized) is that it is safe in a reef. Feather dusters and other worms will be killed, though. PP is a very common med, but I have no idea who has it. Just call them. Flukes are not usually deadly and it would be easy to get it shipped by Dr.s F&S (or any vendor)---a lot cheaper than the gas for a 2 hour drive. Even Fed-Ex overnight is cheaper than the drive. __________________ If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat. Steve Current Tank Info: 180, 2-240 FOWLRs, 240 reef

12/21/2012, 02:29 PM	#3
gordonj1 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 340	He has had it in the past, and pristine H2O and melafix did the trick. This time may be different. So the Prazi-pro is reef safe? We don't have a saltwater store really in the area unless you want to drive an hour.I would want to be 100% sure it is a parasite before I do that. Would PSP or Petsmart have it?

12/21/2012, 09:11 PM	#5
Mrscribbled Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,669	Melafix is more worthless than worthless period.

12/22/2012, 10:35 AM	#9
gordonj1 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 340	Lol I think it smells more like vaporub. I'm using the API version.

12/26/2012, 11:56 AM	#12
gordonj1 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 340	Well his eye got worse. turned from cloudy to completely white with a red dot in the middle and I thought he had completely lost his eye. I did a small H2O change on the 22nd. I did a freshwater dip on the 23rd. 50% H2O change on the 24th. On the 25th he had a black dot where the red dot was. Eye movement was visible. Today the cover over his eye is clear with a white speck and you can see an eye sunken into his head. I'm thinking it ws an injury that got infected or something. I am still dosing melafix because it isn't hurting anything (and I have a **** ton of it). I have been soaking food in garlic and vitamin c since the 23rd for him. Things are really looking up. I think the water change did wonders for him. He has perked up and has been eating like a champ through the whole injury.

12/26/2012, 12:08 PM	#14
gordonj1 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 340	I think I could actually run a little experiment with E.coli in my research lab. I could test the ability of melafix to kill bacteria. That would be a nice thread.

12/26/2012, 01:08 PM	#15
b0bab0ey Moved On Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,564	If the eye gets swollen, epsom salt (1 tablespoon per 5 gallons) can help alleviate the swelling: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/epsomfaqs.htm

05/03/2013, 09:06 PM	#17
gordonj1 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Okinawa, Japan Posts: 340	Incasebsomeome searches this in the future, I figured I'd update. He is doing great it has completely clear up months ago. He can see just as well as he did before. Not blind at all luckily! I did tons of water changes a freshwater dip melafix and stress reducer over the course of several weeks. It got worse before it got better but he healed right up. I think it was an injury not any sort of parasite.