When to put LR from seeded tank in new tank

Vin7250 · 01/06/2013, 12:55 PM

My new 40 gal breeder w a lot of dead rock has been cycling for a Week now. Starting to see ammonia. How long should I wait befor taking rock out of the other established reef to seed the new tank??

bnumair · 01/06/2013, 01:30 PM

u can place the established rock in anytime. it will help fasten the cycle. i usually place both dry and good live rock at same time to get it all started.

BAGGERZ13 · 01/06/2013, 01:33 PM

Yup you can add it at anytime will definitely help the cycling process move a little bit faster.

Vin7250 · 01/06/2013, 01:33 PM

I don't have much to put in. Only a few lbs of rubble so I don't want what little I have to die off. So you think that should still go in now??

MinuteJohn · 01/06/2013, 01:48 PM

I would wait until the cycle is finished. It sounds like the point of you seeding it is to add beneficial organisms to otherwise dead rock. Why stress the organisms. If you are cycling with dead rock, I assume you mean dry rock. Did you add something to create the ammonia and start the cycle?

bnumair · 01/06/2013, 02:27 PM

bacteria wont be stressed in fact when it detects ammonia it will go into over drive and will double its numbers in 15 hrs. thats the whole point of seeding dead rock with live. ur few pounds of rubble will act like a boost.
from microbewiki:

Nitrosomonas are rod-shaped chemolithoautothrophs with an aerobic metabolism. While they do not grow by photosynthesis, their unusual metabolic behavior involves burning ammonia with oxygen. Long, thin membranes inside the bacteria's cell use electrons from ammonia's nitrogen atom to produce energy. In order to complete cell division, Nitrosomonas must consume vast amounts of ammonia, making the division process last for several days. The cells grow either in pairs or short chains. In nitrification Nitrosomonas plays the role of oxidizing ammonia to nitrite, which is then converted to nitrate by other bacteria.

Vin7250 · 01/06/2013, 04:28 PM

Just tested my water. 3.0 ammonia. 0 nitrite 10 nitrate. Sounds very high for ammonia. Should I do a water change and put the rock in or just let it ride for now without the wc??

Vin7250 · 01/06/2013, 06:06 PM

Any ideas on WC or not during cycle.

MinuteJohn · 01/06/2013, 08:07 PM

I wouldn't do a water change until after the cycle is complete.

I wasn't referring to the bacteria from the seed rock dying off, I meant pods, microstars, coraline algae and such.

MinuteJohn · 01/06/2013, 08:07 PM

I wouldn't do a water change until after the cycle is complete.

I wasn't referring to the bacteria from the seed rock dying off, I meant pods, microstars, coraline algae and such.

01/06/2013, 12:55 PM	#1
Vin7250 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut "The Big East" Posts: 1,144	When to put LR from seeded tank in new tank My new 40 gal breeder w a lot of dead rock has been cycling for a Week now. Starting to see ammonia. How long should I wait befor taking rock out of the other established reef to seed the new tank??

01/06/2013, 01:30 PM	#2
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	u can place the established rock in anytime. it will help fasten the cycle. i usually place both dry and good live rock at same time to get it all started. __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

01/06/2013, 01:33 PM	#3
BAGGERZ13 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Harford County MD Posts: 331	Yup you can add it at anytime will definitely help the cycling process move a little bit faster. __________________ Tank Setup: RSM 130D Current Tank Info: Red Sea Max 130D

01/06/2013, 02:27 PM	#6
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	bacteria wont be stressed in fact when it detects ammonia it will go into over drive and will double its numbers in 15 hrs. thats the whole point of seeding dead rock with live. ur few pounds of rubble will act like a boost. from microbewiki: Nitrosomonas are rod-shaped chemolithoautothrophs with an aerobic metabolism. While they do not grow by photosynthesis, their unusual metabolic behavior involves burning ammonia with oxygen. Long, thin membranes inside the bacteria's cell use electrons from ammonia's nitrogen atom to produce energy. In order to complete cell division, Nitrosomonas must consume vast amounts of ammonia, making the division process last for several days. The cells grow either in pairs or short chains. In nitrification Nitrosomonas plays the role of oxidizing ammonia to nitrite, which is then converted to nitrate by other bacteria. __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE Last edited by bnumair; 01/06/2013 at 02:35 PM.

01/06/2013, 01:48 PM	#5
MinuteJohn Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: P.S.N. Posts: 71	I would wait until the cycle is finished. It sounds like the point of you seeding it is to add beneficial organisms to otherwise dead rock. Why stress the organisms. If you are cycling with dead rock, I assume you mean dry rock. Did you add something to create the ammonia and start the cycle?

01/06/2013, 04:28 PM	#7
Vin7250 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut "The Big East" Posts: 1,144	Just tested my water. 3.0 ammonia. 0 nitrite 10 nitrate. Sounds very high for ammonia. Should I do a water change and put the rock in or just let it ride for now without the wc??

01/06/2013, 06:06 PM	#8
Vin7250 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut "The Big East" Posts: 1,144	Any ideas on WC or not during cycle.

01/06/2013, 08:07 PM	#9
MinuteJohn Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: P.S.N. Posts: 71	I wouldn't do a water change until after the cycle is complete. I wasn't referring to the bacteria from the seed rock dying off, I meant pods, microstars, coraline algae and such.