1" supply =1"return?

Avonlea,PA · 02/07/2013, 07:30 AM

I'm getting ready to order some plumbing parts today but I haven't been able to get an answer on this. If my supply line to sump is 1", then should my return line to tank be 1? I'm setting up a Herbie on a 90g using an Ocean Runner 2500 for my return pump. I know it has 3/4" output. Would I size up?

power boat jim · 02/07/2013, 07:51 AM

If you are using a 1'' line from the pump to the tank and a 1'' ruturn to the sump its ok. As long as the 1'' line back to the sump is fairly straight and short. Otherwise I would use a larger drain line maybe 1 1/4 or 1 1/2. Over time the lines get crusty inside and simply dont carry the amount of water they did when they were new.

Having the tank overflow due to too small a drain line is not on the list of things you want to experience.

t4zalews · 02/07/2013, 08:42 AM

It really more depends on flow rate of the pump. I use a gooseneck on my pump return that is 3/4" and my return is 1.5". As long as your return pump flow is handled by the drain you shouldnt have any problems. You can have any size return

Avonlea,PA · 02/07/2013, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by power boat jim

If you are using a 1'' line from the pump to the tank and a 1'' ruturn to the sump its ok. As long as the 1'' line back to the sump is fairly straight and short. Otherwise I would use a larger drain line maybe 1 1/4 or 1 1/2. Over time the lines get crusty inside and simply dont carry the amount of water they did when they were new.

Having the tank overflow due to too small a drain line is not on the list of things you want to experience.

1" is the size of my bulkhead and I can't go any larger. It sounds like maybe I should just go with 3/4" for the return just to be safe.

power boat jim · 02/07/2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Avonlea,PA

1" is the size of my bulkhead and I can't go any larger. It sounds like maybe I should just go with 3/4" for the return just to be safe.

Or put a valve on the pump side so you can throttle the flow of water coming into the tank from the pump. Its nice to be able to vary the flow into the tank when you need to.

gbru316 · 02/07/2013, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by power boat jim

Or put a valve on the pump side so you can throttle the flow of water coming into the tank from the pump. Its nice to be able to vary the flow into the tank when you need to.

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Avonlea,PA · 02/07/2013, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by power boat jim

Or put a valve on the pump side so you can throttle the flow of water coming into the tank from the pump. Its nice to be able to vary the flow into the tank when you need to.

I was planning on a gate valve on the return. So you think I should just go with 1" and adjust with the valve? Would this matter if the output of the pump is 3/4"?

FranktheTankTx · 02/07/2013, 11:14 AM

If I were you, size up the return to 1" & install a ball valve on the return. Never use ball valve on drain line.

reeferman1128 · 02/07/2013, 11:18 AM

the ocean runner 2500 has a starting flowing of 625 gallons per hour. With any head, angles or valves this will mostlikely be a flow rate of closer to 500 gallons per hour. 1" pipe will drain at 600 gallons per hour. you are good to go with all plumbing being 1"

reeferman1128 · 02/07/2013, 11:35 AM

there is also a flow rate calculator on the main page of RC for you to play with

SGT_York · 02/07/2013, 01:05 PM

Do you have a second hole for an emergency or back-up drain? If so you'll be fine if not make sure to purchase a good 1.5" filter and plumb it so you can remove and clean easily.
Herbies and BA drains are snail magnets.

symon_say · 02/07/2013, 01:12 PM

Return pipe means nothing to drain pipe, return flow is determine by pump. No matter what if pipe is 3/4" or 1" for the pump, it will send its capability, so forget about return pipe and focus on pump flow and drain capability of different pipe sizes.

Avonlea,PA · 02/07/2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SGT_York

Do you have a second hole for an emergency or back-up drain? If so you'll be fine if not make sure to purchase a good 1.5" filter and plumb it so you can remove and clean easily.
Herbies and BA drains are snail magnets.

I just have two holes; one for drain and one for emergency. I've purchased a strainer to put on the drain.

Thanks for the input everyone!

symon_say · 02/07/2013, 03:01 PM

Use both for drain and put the return over tank rim, this will avoid an overflow in case drain fails.

Avonlea,PA · 02/07/2013, 03:48 PM

That was the plan.

02/07/2013, 07:30 AM	#1
Avonlea,PA Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 381 Blog Entries: 9	1" supply =1"return? I'm getting ready to order some plumbing parts today but I haven't been able to get an answer on this. If my supply line to sump is 1", then should my return line to tank be 1? I'm setting up a Herbie on a 90g using an Ocean Runner 2500 for my return pump. I know it has 3/4" output. Would I size up? __________________ Brian ________________ It's not what the world holds for you, it's what you bring to it. ~Anne Shirley of Green Gables~

02/07/2013, 08:42 AM	#3
t4zalews 65g Ritteri Tank Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Royal Oak, MI Posts: 2,673	It really more depends on flow rate of the pump. I use a gooseneck on my pump return that is 3/4" and my return is 1.5". As long as your return pump flow is handled by the drain you shouldnt have any problems. You can have any size return __________________ - Taylor - 65g - Radion XR30 G3 Pro x2 - Deltec SCA 1351 - APEX - Tunze - Vortech

02/07/2013, 11:14 AM	#8
FranktheTankTx Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 2,306	If I were you, size up the return to 1" & install a ball valve on the return. Never use ball valve on drain line. __________________ Frank the Tank "What, I thought we were in the trust tree... in the nest? Are we not?" Current Tank Info: Custom Rimless 60g (30.5"x24.5"x18.5")

02/07/2013, 01:12 PM	#12
symon_say Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Dominican Republic Posts: 556	Return pipe means nothing to drain pipe, return flow is determine by pump. No matter what if pipe is 3/4" or 1" for the pump, it will send its capability, so forget about return pipe and focus on pump flow and drain capability of different pipe sizes. __________________ Bigger/more tanks don't give you knowledge, they just show you have the money... ICH is overrated... Current Tank Info: Designing a 200G

02/07/2013, 03:01 PM	#14
symon_say Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Dominican Republic Posts: 556	Use both for drain and put the return over tank rim, this will avoid an overflow in case drain fails. __________________ Bigger/more tanks don't give you knowledge, they just show you have the money... ICH is overrated... Current Tank Info: Designing a 200G

02/07/2013, 07:51 AM	#2
power boat jim Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Wisconsin, The big peninsula Posts: 2,100	If you are using a 1'' line from the pump to the tank and a 1'' ruturn to the sump its ok. As long as the 1'' line back to the sump is fairly straight and short. Otherwise I would use a larger drain line maybe 1 1/4 or 1 1/2. Over time the lines get crusty inside and simply dont carry the amount of water they did when they were new. Having the tank overflow due to too small a drain line is not on the list of things you want to experience.

02/07/2013, 11:18 AM	#9
reeferman1128 Moved On Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 157	the ocean runner 2500 has a starting flowing of 625 gallons per hour. With any head, angles or valves this will mostlikely be a flow rate of closer to 500 gallons per hour. 1" pipe will drain at 600 gallons per hour. you are good to go with all plumbing being 1"

02/07/2013, 11:35 AM	#10
reeferman1128 Moved On Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 157	there is also a flow rate calculator on the main page of RC for you to play with

02/07/2013, 01:05 PM	#11
SGT_York Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,746	Do you have a second hole for an emergency or back-up drain? If so you'll be fine if not make sure to purchase a good 1.5" filter and plumb it so you can remove and clean easily. Herbies and BA drains are snail magnets.

02/07/2013, 03:48 PM	#15
Avonlea,PA Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 381 Blog Entries: 9	That was the plan. __________________ Brian ________________ It's not what the world holds for you, it's what you bring to it. ~Anne Shirley of Green Gables~