Brumbys Tank

borg · 02/11/2013, 06:08 AM

Hi Everyone

Just wanted to share my new tank .

It was already running for around 1yr prior to me purchasing it of someone
who was moving out of the hobby

I broke it down and setup in my house around 4 weeks ago and everything seems to be going ok from my observations

I dont know the ID of most the corals and am looking for find this out for more
info so any help is appreciated

The yellow surgeonfish im also looking for a ID on as i want to get a shrimp but first need to know if she will bully it

Heres a few pics for you all to have a look , there is alot of flow in tank
from the tunze and the sump etc i have moved a few corals around to where they seem better suited but welcome any comments or advice ...

http://postimage.org/gallery/3a0ku1vw/

Bpb · 02/11/2013, 06:17 AM

Nice clams

bnumair · 02/11/2013, 07:39 AM

nice
good luck and happy reefing

Mikelush78 · 02/11/2013, 07:41 AM

Great looking tank!

borg · 02/11/2013, 08:05 AM

Thanks everyone ... Very hot here today 40 plus degrees tank sitting on 29 till I got home from work and cranked the air con...chiller is on the cards pay day

I know Ids so far of the gsp, frogspawn , clams , not sure on my highest 2 corals .... Familiar with the shrooms the rest I'm slowly figuring out ..

Yellow fish I'm unsure of need to establish id as she came with tank and although very healthy I need to know if she can stay...

Thanks all for the advice and comments ....

Sugar Magnolia · 02/11/2013, 08:33 AM

The tang looks to be a juvenile mimic tang. http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...352&pcatid=352

borg · 02/11/2013, 08:00 PM

Thanks sugar , they colour out nice when they grow older .. seems from that link they can be semi agressive so i will need to be careful with shrimp

borg · 02/11/2013, 09:43 PM

Can anyone help with the mushroom looking coral at the top right and also the branching one coral on the top left ?

Kind regards

Mr.Saltz · 02/12/2013, 01:24 AM

Not sure about the top left, not an expert in SPS yet. The right reminds me of a leather.

Anyone else?

borg · 02/12/2013, 01:41 AM

the journey continues ... i agree its kinda like a leather ...im sure i will stumble across a id

Ostara · 02/12/2013, 02:13 AM

I agree; either a mimic tang or a juvenile orange shoulder, Acanthurus olivaceous. They are solid yellow as juveniles and develop different color and markings as they age just like the mimics. I thought there was a good chance that it was either of those but after looking at the pictures again I am slightly more inclined towards the latter. It appears to have a more elongated body like A. olivaceous, and it also seems to have the faint orange or peach smudge starting on both sides behind its eyes. If it is an orange shoulder, it will outgrow your tank eventually.

Neither of the two will bother shrimp, however, so you don't need to worry about that. And of course, nice tank!

borg · 02/12/2013, 02:24 AM

if it helps there is 2 solid white bands behind each eye whilst lights out when i see it during my nightlife explore.. If it is orange shoulder i will need to remove to lfs once it gets bigger.. pity tho as she is mean algae eater.... i might chuck my pics in the soft coral section later tonight to try and get some id help.

Perhaps i should take a better picture of the yellow lady whilst feeding to assist

Ostara · 02/12/2013, 02:34 AM

Some close up shots of her would be good, though she may just be too young to tell yet. There are multiple species of Acanthurus that are easily confused with one another when young. However, the coloration behind her eyes definitely sounds like the early markings of an orange shoulder. They are also widely held to be excellent algae eaters.

I'm receiving a juvenile orange shoulder that should be in its yellow phase from LiveAquaria in the morning. It will have "night" or stress coloration when I take it out of the box, so I'll see if there are any white bars behind the eyes on mine. I'm kind of curious now to see if you can see the shoulder marking before it fully develops on youngsters.

borg · 02/12/2013, 02:36 AM

Sounds like a plan. I will take some better photos of just her whilst feeding which will help get me a decent shot hopefully.. perhaps i will use the waterproof cam...and keen to see your juvenile as well ... it doesnt help that i have no idea of the age of the fish either

Ostara · 02/12/2013, 08:28 PM

I got mine today and she definitely has markings behind the eyes. I was comparing her to pictures of juvenile mimics (Acanthurus pyroferus) and there seem to be two major differences between the juveniles. The first is the shape of the head; mimics have a sharp dip down to their mouth whereas the orange shoulders have more of an even slope. The second difference is the size and shape of their fins. Pyroferus has larger, more rounded fins to mimic the shape of a Centropyge angel as well as a more rounded body. The orange shoulder has a longer, more slender body with smaller, more streamlined fins. So pictures of the head and, if you can manage it, with fins flared of yours might make it easier to tell which she is.

I will try to get a picture of mine in a bit. She has been diving for cover in the quarantine tank as soon as I get too near. She is also much smaller than yours it seems; about two inches long.

borg · 02/12/2013, 08:43 PM

Seems are we onto something , i did a test whilst feeding and she does flare up her fins ... i just need my fiance to take photos whilst im feeding to capture it. Sorry i was going to get pics last night but my six line wrasse wanted me to rearrange my rockwork to capture it... bonus redesign of the aquascape however so thats a plus i guess...

its 10.42am here in perth australia. I should be home in around 6hrs or so

twf0369 · 02/12/2013, 09:53 PM

Good looking tank.

borg · 02/12/2013, 10:02 PM

thanks twf0369 .... i think this weekend i will grab more lr i want to build the back wall up a bit more

borg · 02/13/2013, 07:14 AM

Heres a video that might help ... took whilst feeding in low light ... iphone5 did not appreciate the leds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRmQ9...ature=youtu.be

cloak · 02/13/2013, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borg

Can anyone help with the mushroom looking coral at the top right and also the branching one coral on the top left ?

Kind regards

That tan thing on the top right is a Turbinaria sp. Sometimes refered to as a "Cup coral," or even a "Scroll coral."

I'm not sure about the coral on the left. Is it hard or soft? Pocillopora perhaps?

borg · 02/13/2013, 06:59 PM

thanks cloak , on the cup coral ID thats fantastic , the other one is a hard coral and when i got all the livestock the base of it is really white , hence why i want to ID it so i know what sort of light it prefers ... i dont want to burn it with the leds mine are not dimmable so they are intense for the full photoperoid

Ostara · 02/13/2013, 10:15 PM

After seeing the video, I'm pretty certain she's an orange shoulder/ A. olivaceous. The shape of her head and body and the size of her fins aren't right for a mimic, but most of all her tail is a completely different shape. You can see in this picture, for example, the rounded tail of a juvenile pyroferus as well as the larger fins.

Plus, she looks just like mine.

I managed to get a few shots of her flared up because I was scaring the crap out of her with flash.

Please excuse the water spots on the quarantine. I don't clean the glass very often because it disturbs the inhabitants.

In this one you can already see the smudge behind her eye pretty well.

I was being optimistic when I called her two inches. More like 1.5". She must be pretty spunky though, going by the fin nicks she arrived with.

It will probably be at least a year until yours outgrows her digs, if not more. I think the orange shoulders maintain a prettier coloration than the mimics anyway, though some of the darker mimics look really nice. Out of curiosity, how long have you had her and how much has she grown with your feeding schedule? I actually wanted a larger orange shoulder and am hoping that this little yellow speck puts on some size in quarantine.

borg · 02/13/2013, 10:24 PM

I have had her for around 6 weeks now. She is constantly on the move , loves the flow in the tank and is always eating. She owns any brown algae that even tries to establish which started to happen after the mini cycle during the tank move from the purchase location to mine. So far a model citizen of the tank unlike the sixline which is currently in time out in the sump , beautiful fish but nasty personality ...

I feed a cude of mysis everyday and on the weekends she gets a party with a seaweed clip ...

I cant see the pic of yours till i get home as work blocks images on here

but will def check out when i get home.

borg · 02/14/2013, 07:04 AM

after checking your pics we have the same fish ... only difference is mine doesnt have the blue flare on the bottom fin

in between the spine and the top fin there is a line that runs from the head to the tail ... in a kinda of bubbly line ... both ours have this .....

gonna suck to move her on ... i will try find a rc member to host her as i dont want her to go to the lfs

thats for all the input and help ostara

Ostara · 02/14/2013, 10:21 PM

You know, I was surprised by the blue line on the fin as well. I didn't know it was there until I took the pictures; it only shows up in images where I've used flash. I found one or two pictures with young juveniles that had it though, so I'm guessing that they just outgrow it quickly. Hopefully yours will grow nice and slow so that you can keep her longer (or have more time to plan an upgrade for her

).

I feel you on the six line. I was considering adding one to the same tank that the orange shoulder is going into since I don't plan on adding any other wrasses, but they can just be downright nasty. I had one that went after a pygmy angel mercilessly. Had to tear the tank apart late at night to get the sucker out. I don't know that I want to risk it again.

Glad to help out.

Post up some more pictures of your tank and your little orange shoulder if you have a chance.

02/11/2013, 06:08 AM	#1
borg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Perth , Western Australia Posts: 337	Brumbys Tank Hi Everyone Just wanted to share my new tank . It was already running for around 1yr prior to me purchasing it of someone who was moving out of the hobby I broke it down and setup in my house around 4 weeks ago and everything seems to be going ok from my observations I dont know the ID of most the corals and am looking for find this out for more info so any help is appreciated The yellow surgeonfish im also looking for a ID on as i want to get a shrimp but first need to know if she will bully it Heres a few pics for you all to have a look , there is alot of flow in tank from the tunze and the sump etc i have moved a few corals around to where they seem better suited but welcome any comments or advice ... http://postimage.org/gallery/3a0ku1vw/ __________________ Always learning and researching , i try to help out when i can with what little knowledge base i have acquired over the years Current Tank Info: 300g DT 5ft (4ft Sump 150g) , ATI Hybrid 8x54w 2xLED Cluster x2, Vortech MP40W x2& 2x Sicce Voyager 2 x Jaebo rw8 , Aqua Excel Skimmer , Sicce Syncra Pro Return

02/11/2013, 07:39 AM	#3
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	nice good luck and happy reefing __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

02/11/2013, 08:05 AM	#5
borg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Perth , Western Australia Posts: 337	Thanks everyone ... Very hot here today 40 plus degrees tank sitting on 29 till I got home from work and cranked the air con...chiller is on the cards pay day I know Ids so far of the gsp, frogspawn , clams , not sure on my highest 2 corals .... Familiar with the shrooms the rest I'm slowly figuring out .. Yellow fish I'm unsure of need to establish id as she came with tank and although very healthy I need to know if she can stay... Thanks all for the advice and comments .... __________________ Always learning and researching , i try to help out when i can with what little knowledge base i have acquired over the years Current Tank Info: 300g DT 5ft (4ft Sump 150g) , ATI Hybrid 8x54w 2xLED Cluster x2, Vortech MP40W x2& 2x Sicce Voyager 2 x Jaebo rw8 , Aqua Excel Skimmer , Sicce Syncra Pro Return

02/11/2013, 08:33 AM	#6
Sugar Magnolia Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Northern VA Posts: 17,691	The tang looks to be a juvenile mimic tang. http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...352&pcatid=352 __________________ Adrienne The only thing to fear is fear itself....and spiders.

02/11/2013, 08:00 PM	#7
borg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Perth , Western Australia Posts: 337	Thanks sugar , they colour out nice when they grow older .. seems from that link they can be semi agressive so i will need to be careful with shrimp __________________ Always learning and researching , i try to help out when i can with what little knowledge base i have acquired over the years Current Tank Info: 300g DT 5ft (4ft Sump 150g) , ATI Hybrid 8x54w 2xLED Cluster x2, Vortech MP40W x2& 2x Sicce Voyager 2 x Jaebo rw8 , Aqua Excel Skimmer , Sicce Syncra Pro Return

02/11/2013, 06:17 AM	#2
Bpb Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 3,148	Nice clams

02/11/2013, 07:41 AM	#4
Mikelush78 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 158	Great looking tank!

02/11/2013, 09:43 PM	#8
borg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Perth , Western Australia Posts: 337	Can anyone help with the mushroom looking coral at the top right and also the branching one coral on the top left ? Kind regards __________________ Always learning and researching , i try to help out when i can with what little knowledge base i have acquired over the years Current Tank Info: 300g DT 5ft (4ft Sump 150g) , ATI Hybrid 8x54w 2xLED Cluster x2, Vortech MP40W x2& 2x Sicce Voyager 2 x Jaebo rw8 , Aqua Excel Skimmer , Sicce Syncra Pro Return

02/12/2013, 01:24 AM	#9
Mr.Saltz Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 54	Not sure about the top left, not an expert in SPS yet. The right reminds me of a leather. Anyone else?

02/12/2013, 01:41 AM	#10
borg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Perth , Western Australia Posts: 337	the journey continues ... i agree its kinda like a leather ...im sure i will stumble across a id __________________ Always learning and researching , i try to help out when i can with what little knowledge base i have acquired over the years Current Tank Info: 300g DT 5ft (4ft Sump 150g) , ATI Hybrid 8x54w 2xLED Cluster x2, Vortech MP40W x2& 2x Sicce Voyager 2 x Jaebo rw8 , Aqua Excel Skimmer , Sicce Syncra Pro Return

02/12/2013, 02:13 AM	#11
Ostara Keep Calm and Reef On Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: California Posts: 302	I agree; either a mimic tang or a juvenile orange shoulder, Acanthurus olivaceous. They are solid yellow as juveniles and develop different color and markings as they age just like the mimics. I thought there was a good chance that it was either of those but after looking at the pictures again I am slightly more inclined towards the latter. It appears to have a more elongated body like A. olivaceous, and it also seems to have the faint orange or peach smudge starting on both sides behind its eyes. If it is an orange shoulder, it will outgrow your tank eventually. Neither of the two will bother shrimp, however, so you don't need to worry about that. And of course, nice tank!

02/12/2013, 02:24 AM	#12
borg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Perth , Western Australia Posts: 337	if it helps there is 2 solid white bands behind each eye whilst lights out when i see it during my nightlife explore.. If it is orange shoulder i will need to remove to lfs once it gets bigger.. pity tho as she is mean algae eater.... i might chuck my pics in the soft coral section later tonight to try and get some id help. Perhaps i should take a better picture of the yellow lady whilst feeding to assist __________________ Always learning and researching , i try to help out when i can with what little knowledge base i have acquired over the years Current Tank Info: 300g DT 5ft (4ft Sump 150g) , ATI Hybrid 8x54w 2xLED Cluster x2, Vortech MP40W x2& 2x Sicce Voyager 2 x Jaebo rw8 , Aqua Excel Skimmer , Sicce Syncra Pro Return

02/12/2013, 02:34 AM	#13
Ostara Keep Calm and Reef On Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: California Posts: 302	Some close up shots of her would be good, though she may just be too young to tell yet. There are multiple species of Acanthurus that are easily confused with one another when young. However, the coloration behind her eyes definitely sounds like the early markings of an orange shoulder. They are also widely held to be excellent algae eaters. I'm receiving a juvenile orange shoulder that should be in its yellow phase from LiveAquaria in the morning. It will have "night" or stress coloration when I take it out of the box, so I'll see if there are any white bars behind the eyes on mine. I'm kind of curious now to see if you can see the shoulder marking before it fully develops on youngsters.

02/12/2013, 02:36 AM	#14
borg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Perth , Western Australia Posts: 337	Sounds like a plan. I will take some better photos of just her whilst feeding which will help get me a decent shot hopefully.. perhaps i will use the waterproof cam...and keen to see your juvenile as well ... it doesnt help that i have no idea of the age of the fish either __________________ Always learning and researching , i try to help out when i can with what little knowledge base i have acquired over the years Current Tank Info: 300g DT 5ft (4ft Sump 150g) , ATI Hybrid 8x54w 2xLED Cluster x2, Vortech MP40W x2& 2x Sicce Voyager 2 x Jaebo rw8 , Aqua Excel Skimmer , Sicce Syncra Pro Return

02/12/2013, 08:28 PM	#15
Ostara Keep Calm and Reef On Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: California Posts: 302	I got mine today and she definitely has markings behind the eyes. I was comparing her to pictures of juvenile mimics (Acanthurus pyroferus) and there seem to be two major differences between the juveniles. The first is the shape of the head; mimics have a sharp dip down to their mouth whereas the orange shoulders have more of an even slope. The second difference is the size and shape of their fins. Pyroferus has larger, more rounded fins to mimic the shape of a Centropyge angel as well as a more rounded body. The orange shoulder has a longer, more slender body with smaller, more streamlined fins. So pictures of the head and, if you can manage it, with fins flared of yours might make it easier to tell which she is. I will try to get a picture of mine in a bit. She has been diving for cover in the quarantine tank as soon as I get too near. She is also much smaller than yours it seems; about two inches long.

02/12/2013, 08:43 PM	#16
borg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Perth , Western Australia Posts: 337	Seems are we onto something , i did a test whilst feeding and she does flare up her fins ... i just need my fiance to take photos whilst im feeding to capture it. Sorry i was going to get pics last night but my six line wrasse wanted me to rearrange my rockwork to capture it... bonus redesign of the aquascape however so thats a plus i guess... its 10.42am here in perth australia. I should be home in around 6hrs or so __________________ Always learning and researching , i try to help out when i can with what little knowledge base i have acquired over the years Current Tank Info: 300g DT 5ft (4ft Sump 150g) , ATI Hybrid 8x54w 2xLED Cluster x2, Vortech MP40W x2& 2x Sicce Voyager 2 x Jaebo rw8 , Aqua Excel Skimmer , Sicce Syncra Pro Return

02/12/2013, 09:53 PM	#17
twf0369 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Annapolis, Maryland Posts: 106	Good looking tank. __________________ 165 Custom Miracles Rimless Reef Tank and Sump; ATI 8x80w Powermodule w/ Reefbrite LED Blue light; Vertex 180i Skimmer

02/12/2013, 10:02 PM	#18
borg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Perth , Western Australia Posts: 337	thanks twf0369 .... i think this weekend i will grab more lr i want to build the back wall up a bit more __________________ Always learning and researching , i try to help out when i can with what little knowledge base i have acquired over the years Current Tank Info: 300g DT 5ft (4ft Sump 150g) , ATI Hybrid 8x54w 2xLED Cluster x2, Vortech MP40W x2& 2x Sicce Voyager 2 x Jaebo rw8 , Aqua Excel Skimmer , Sicce Syncra Pro Return

02/13/2013, 07:14 AM	#19
borg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Perth , Western Australia Posts: 337	Heres a video that might help ... took whilst feeding in low light ... iphone5 did not appreciate the leds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRmQ9...ature=youtu.be __________________ Always learning and researching , i try to help out when i can with what little knowledge base i have acquired over the years Current Tank Info: 300g DT 5ft (4ft Sump 150g) , ATI Hybrid 8x54w 2xLED Cluster x2, Vortech MP40W x2& 2x Sicce Voyager 2 x Jaebo rw8 , Aqua Excel Skimmer , Sicce Syncra Pro Return

02/13/2013, 06:59 PM	#21
borg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Perth , Western Australia Posts: 337	thanks cloak , on the cup coral ID thats fantastic , the other one is a hard coral and when i got all the livestock the base of it is really white , hence why i want to ID it so i know what sort of light it prefers ... i dont want to burn it with the leds mine are not dimmable so they are intense for the full photoperoid __________________ Always learning and researching , i try to help out when i can with what little knowledge base i have acquired over the years Current Tank Info: 300g DT 5ft (4ft Sump 150g) , ATI Hybrid 8x54w 2xLED Cluster x2, Vortech MP40W x2& 2x Sicce Voyager 2 x Jaebo rw8 , Aqua Excel Skimmer , Sicce Syncra Pro Return

02/13/2013, 10:15 PM	#22
Ostara Keep Calm and Reef On Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: California Posts: 302	After seeing the video, I'm pretty certain she's an orange shoulder/ A. olivaceous. The shape of her head and body and the size of her fins aren't right for a mimic, but most of all her tail is a completely different shape. You can see in this picture, for example, the rounded tail of a juvenile pyroferus as well as the larger fins. Plus, she looks just like mine. I managed to get a few shots of her flared up because I was scaring the crap out of her with flash. Please excuse the water spots on the quarantine. I don't clean the glass very often because it disturbs the inhabitants. In this one you can already see the smudge behind her eye pretty well. I was being optimistic when I called her two inches. More like 1.5". She must be pretty spunky though, going by the fin nicks she arrived with. It will probably be at least a year until yours outgrows her digs, if not more. I think the orange shoulders maintain a prettier coloration than the mimics anyway, though some of the darker mimics look really nice. Out of curiosity, how long have you had her and how much has she grown with your feeding schedule? I actually wanted a larger orange shoulder and am hoping that this little yellow speck puts on some size in quarantine.

02/13/2013, 10:24 PM	#23
borg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Perth , Western Australia Posts: 337	I have had her for around 6 weeks now. She is constantly on the move , loves the flow in the tank and is always eating. She owns any brown algae that even tries to establish which started to happen after the mini cycle during the tank move from the purchase location to mine. So far a model citizen of the tank unlike the sixline which is currently in time out in the sump , beautiful fish but nasty personality ... I feed a cude of mysis everyday and on the weekends she gets a party with a seaweed clip ... I cant see the pic of yours till i get home as work blocks images on here but will def check out when i get home. __________________ Always learning and researching , i try to help out when i can with what little knowledge base i have acquired over the years Current Tank Info: 300g DT 5ft (4ft Sump 150g) , ATI Hybrid 8x54w 2xLED Cluster x2, Vortech MP40W x2& 2x Sicce Voyager 2 x Jaebo rw8 , Aqua Excel Skimmer , Sicce Syncra Pro Return

02/14/2013, 07:04 AM	#24
borg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Perth , Western Australia Posts: 337	after checking your pics we have the same fish ... only difference is mine doesnt have the blue flare on the bottom fin in between the spine and the top fin there is a line that runs from the head to the tail ... in a kinda of bubbly line ... both ours have this ..... gonna suck to move her on ... i will try find a rc member to host her as i dont want her to go to the lfs thats for all the input and help ostara __________________ Always learning and researching , i try to help out when i can with what little knowledge base i have acquired over the years Current Tank Info: 300g DT 5ft (4ft Sump 150g) , ATI Hybrid 8x54w 2xLED Cluster x2, Vortech MP40W x2& 2x Sicce Voyager 2 x Jaebo rw8 , Aqua Excel Skimmer , Sicce Syncra Pro Return

02/14/2013, 10:21 PM	#25
Ostara Keep Calm and Reef On Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: California Posts: 302	You know, I was surprised by the blue line on the fin as well. I didn't know it was there until I took the pictures; it only shows up in images where I've used flash. I found one or two pictures with young juveniles that had it though, so I'm guessing that they just outgrow it quickly. Hopefully yours will grow nice and slow so that you can keep her longer (or have more time to plan an upgrade for her ). I feel you on the six line. I was considering adding one to the same tank that the orange shoulder is going into since I don't plan on adding any other wrasses, but they can just be downright nasty. I had one that went after a pygmy angel mercilessly. Had to tear the tank apart late at night to get the sucker out. I don't know that I want to risk it again. Glad to help out. Post up some more pictures of your tank and your little orange shoulder if you have a chance.