Are Chalice's still the Hottest and most Collected Corals? I heard it goes in Cycles?

[that Fish Guy]

Are Chalice's still the Hottest and most Collected Corals?

I heard it goes in Cycles (of which Corals are Hot and in Demand)?

And that before Chalice's it was Zoanthids that everybody wanted.

I am trying to set up a Timeline of Coral Collecting History.

I was wondering what other Corals were the Hottest and most collected in the market before Chalice's and when those Corals were in Demand.

Can anybody help me with this?

[Drae]

I don't like chalice or zoo's lol. Never have. Sps guy right here followed by nems, acans and euphylia's. Then cyphastrea.

[NyReefNoob]

sps keep about the same hype all year, chalices where the item a few years ago, zoa's stay pretty strong, but with some new morphs that have been coming it they are the hot item i guess you would call it, acans dip in and out also

[that Fish Guy]

Thank you for the info but I am not looking for individual opinions but as a general consensus of the hottest corals are.

For a while now it has been Chalice's.

I am wondering are they on the outs?

Is some other Coral going to take them over in general popularity soon?

What was the most in demand Coral before Chalices?

And when were they the "It" Corals of there time?

For instance this Coral was hot in 2009, then this one in 2010, then this one from 2010-2013 etc.

Do you guys see what information I am looking for?

I am told that Coral Popularity goes in Cycles.

"Everybody wants this right now, then a year later it is something else that is in demand."

[that Fish Guy]

Originally Posted by NyReefNoob

sps keep about the same hype all year, chalices where the item a few years ago, zoa's stay pretty strong, but with some new morphs that have been coming it they are the hot item i guess you would call it, acans dip in and out also

So you are saying that Chalices are loosing their Popularity right now?

I thought that they were still the "Top Dog"

[karsseboom]

Sps will and have always been the most popular coral in the hobby. Chalice had a big jump in popularity a few years ago but they never were more curcial then Sps have been.

[randomfishguy85]

i thought scolys were one of the more popular corals right now

[TheGodParticle]

My personal belief is that you will see a wave of people wanting Euphyllia real bad once they start banning the import of certain kinds and people start to see the cost sky rocket. Cost of Euphyllia has already gone up substantially in the past couple years.

[Hudzon]

I think you need to quantify want you want , most requested ? most expensive ? most purchased ? I think to get that kind of data set you would need to poll retailers or wholesalers.

will the data be combined as in all Chalice coral LE and very common and than averaged ?

[64Ivy]

From what I've noticed, chalices seem to be much more popular on the west coast of the US and with 'specialty' online vendors where I've seen prices touching nearly $1000.00 per 'eye'. On the (NE) east coast, not so much. Can't explain why. Rainbow and convict (striped) chalices in particular go at a premium because they are extremely sensitive and very slow growers. I'm thinking this fad may be around a while longer because collectors constantly are finding new and ridiculously colored variants of this coral and there doesn't appear to be a shortage of hobbyists willing to stand in line to get their hands on one. Need proof? Check out the booths at MACNA this year.

[montiporalova]

Am a chalice freak... But keep a mixed reef

[that Fish Guy]

Originally Posted by karsseboom

Sps will and have always been the most popular coral in the hobby. Chalice had a big jump in popularity a few years ago but they never were more curcial then Sps have been.

I have never seen Dime Size Frags of SPS sell for 3,000 to 4,000.

I have seen Chalice's like that though.

I think the most expensive SPS I have ever seen was 200.

[that Fish Guy]

Originally Posted by Hudzon

I think you need to quantify want you want , most requested ? most expensive ? most purchased ? I think to get that kind of data set you would need to poll retailers or wholesalers.

will the data be combined as in all Chalice coral LE and very common and than averaged ?

Most collectible.

You know the ones people go to Frag Swaps for.

The stuff you cannot get at the LFS.

What the "Real Hobbyist's" go for.

I know the most sold corals are Euphyllia (Torch, Hammer, Frogspawn).

That is what Noobs go for though (The stuff sold at LFS).

There are not many Euphyllia to "collect" (You know when you need one of everything).

The number of Chalice's, Zoo's, Acan's, Acro's are endless and there is a huge demand for them.

I am talking about what the "Hardcore" Collectors are looking for.

I hope this helps.

[wonderz]

Originally Posted by that Fish Guy

I have never seen Dime Size Frags of SPS sell for 3,000 to 4,000.

I have seen Chalice's like that though.

I think the most expensive SPS I have ever seen was 200.

I don't think people would want to pay $4000 for half inch of SPS stick that could potentially STN within 24 hours...

[Hudzon]

Than it sounds like you are interested in demand for LE corals

This site should give some timelines

http://www.reeffarmers.com/

[that Fish Guy]

Originally Posted by TheGodParticle

My personal belief is that you will see a wave of people wanting Euphyllia real bad once they start banning the import of certain kinds and people start to see the cost sky rocket. Cost of Euphyllia has already gone up substantially in the past couple years.

How much have they gone up?

Where I am they are the same price as when I started almost 4 years ago.

[that Fish Guy]

Originally Posted by wonderz

I don't think people would want to pay $4000 for half inch of SPS stick that could potentially STN within 24 hours...

Why not. I mean Chalices can loose all their color and be worthless yet people still buy them.

[that Fish Guy]

Originally Posted by Hudzon

Than it sounds like you are interested in demand for LE corals

This site should give some timelines

http://www.reeffarmers.com/

That site just shows current coral prices.

At least what I have seen.

I want to know what was hot in the past not what is in demand right now.

Where do you see a timeline at that site?

[karsseboom]

Originally Posted by that Fish Guy

I have never seen Dime Size Frags of SPS sell for 3,000 to 4,000.

I have seen Chalice's like that though.

I think the most expensive SPS I have ever seen was 200.

Price has absolutely nothing to do with a corals importance in the hobby. How many totm are chalice only systems? Who would want to loom at a chalice only system? Sps are the pinnacle of this hobby and chalice are a fade.

Look at how many people are veiwing the sps section of this forum daily VS how many people are visiting the Lps section.

Good luck trying to have a world renowned tank on reef builders with chalice dominate.

[that Fish Guy]

Originally Posted by karsseboom

Price has absolutely nothing to do with a corals importance in the hobby. How many totm are chalice only systems? Who would want to loom at a chalice only system? Sps are the pinnacle of this hobby and chalice are a fade.

Look at how many people are veiwing the sps section of this forum daily VS how many people are visiting the Lps section.

Good luck trying to have a world renowned tank on reef builders with chalice dominate.

Um, you probably never see Chalice only Tanks because they would probably be about 20 times the price of an Acro Tank.

Also, people have been doing Acros for a long time giving them years to grow out a Frag to a great big colony.

Chalices grow slow growers.

Like I said high end Chalices can fetch 3,000 to 4,000.

I have never seen an Acro Frag for over 200.

Maybe in 10+ years you will see alot of Chalice dominated Tanks.

They are new and people need time to grow them as well as the fact that they are soooo expensive and you can get Acro Frags for 5-10 bucks.

And when I say Chalice I mean quality Chalice like this

http://blog.aquanerd.com/2012/08/che...y-chalice.html

I am not talking about the run of the mill Chalice's at your LFS.

Check out these pics.

A tank filled with these beauties will put your SPS tank to shame and would be not tank of the month but tank of all time.

It just has not been done yet.

Maybe you are sore because you cannot afford these Chalice's.

I have nothing against SPS in fact I like them just as much as the next guy.

This thread was not meant to be a bashing thread.

Please do not hate on Chalice's

[that Fish Guy]

And these too.

These are Chalices.

Do the rest of you not find these amazing?

Um Ya nobody would ever want to look at a tank filled with these. LOL. OK

Show me an Acro (Any Acro at all) that looks anything like this.

They usually have only one color.

[karsseboom]

Originally Posted by that Fish Guy

Um, you probably never see Chalice only Tanks because they would probably be about 20 times the price of an Acro Tank.

Also, people have been doing Acros for a long time giving them years to grow out a Frag to a great big colony.

Chalices grow slow growers.

Like I said high end Chalices can fetch 3,000 to 4,000.

I have never seen an Acro Frag for over 200.

Maybe in 10+ years you will see alot of Chalice dominated Tanks.

They are new and people need time to grow them as well as the fact that they are soooo expensive and you can get Acro Frags for 5-10 bucks.

And when I say Chalice I mean quality Chalice like this

http://blog.aquanerd.com/2012/08/che...y-chalice.html

I am not talking about the run of the mill Chalice's at your LFS.

Check out these pics.

A tank filled with these beauties will put your SPS tank to shame and would be not tank of the month but tank of all time.

It just has not been done yet.

Maybe you are sore because you cannot afford these Chalice's.

I have nothing against SPS in fact I like them just as much as the next guy.

This thread was not meant to be a bashing thread.

Please do not hate on Chalice's

Wow...how old are you?

[NeilFox]

Yes those Chalice are awsome. I agree the cost would be astronomical. It is really hard to get full colonies also, everyone that can get their hands on one chops it up and sells the pieces to maximize profit. If you are talking ultra high end I think the Chalice would top the list. I actually did a look through the "Best Tanks in the World" thread. I noticed only a couple pure SPS tanks. Most are mixed reefs that follow a common thread. 50 to 60% SPS mostly at the top of the tank with LPS, Clams, Zoa's etc in the lower regions. JPMagyars tank that is seen alot on here is a good example of this. It is a very striking tank with alot of diversity. Grown out SPS colonies, alout of Zoa's and a Giant Anemone.That is a world class mixed reef. There are a couple that are mixed reefs with NPS, really amazing.

I think the popularity with SPS is that you can grow them out from frags pretty quick. Especially Monties and Birdsnest. They make a very dramatic display. Montis seem to be enjoying alot of popularity right now. Nice color variety, fairly easy and a small frag can grow into a nice colony pretty quick. Some of the NPS like Dendronepthia would be alot more popular if it were not impossible to keep. It isn't commercially viable. You can't cut one up and glue it to rocks and expect anything in return for your efforts.

[cheezischrist]

i loved my chalices, but they are so much cheaper than sps for me to get, and grew so much faster

[greech]

I would say SPS are and will most likely always be the most popular simply because they grow fast, come in so many colors and shapes and (as mentioned) are cheaper than most "high end" LPS.

I love chalices myself and would love a chalice only/dominant tank. The price of that system would be ridiculous though (although one could argue the system components would likely be cheaper on a chalice tank). Price is probably why chalices aren't more "popular" but that isn't to say that some don't consider them more "desirable". You always want what you can't have/afford . The chalices pictured are many that i would love to own but I know I never will because I couldn't afford them. I really hope supply of rainbow chalices increases so that they become more affordable. I have already seen this with other chalices. I can buy beautiful mummy eyes and bubble gum monster frags (large ones) for $29.99 here all day long. A year ago, those would have been $100+.