Sped wave or diablo dc pump

[Dbondaruk]

I want to get a pump either the diablo dc 10500 or the speed wave dc 10000..
Which one would ou recommend and I want it to be silent.... Who has experience with either let me know thanks

[bayoupr]

Both are silent and identical except maybe one pumps a small amount more water. If the 10,000 speedwave is like the 5000 then the volutte twists off instead of having four screws to loosen. 5000 twists off, not sure about the 10,000

[gcarroll]

I woulg go with the one with the best customer support.

I can say that Reef Octopus has a really good customer service record over the past couple years. Plus, they are based in Louisianna which appears to be your home state. They are a large company that won't just fold up if the pumps start to fail. Speedwave however doesn't even seem to have a website so who knows what kind of support you will get.

[bayoupr]

PA sells speedwave and their customer support is excellent.

[scuzy]

I have a Diablo 10500 but also a speed wave. 3000 and they seem to me to be exact same pumps with different branding. Both are dead silent. I would go with which ever is cheaper.

[gcarroll]

Originally Posted by bayoupr

PA sells speedwave and their customer support is excellent.

but will they be the ones standing behind the product a year or two later or will they direct you to the manufacturer.

[ca1ore]

Is there a way to ramp the Diablo up and down automatically to randomize flow, or is it just manual?

[Dbondaruk]

I thought rlss makes sppedwave

[coverdog]

I have had a speedwave 1320 for almost 4 months. You can't hear it run at all in the sump, not even a little bit.

And yes RLSS is the company.

[Drae]

Originally Posted by coverdog

I have had a speedwave 1320 for almost 4 months. You can't hear it run at all in the sump, not even a little bit.

And yes RLSS is the company.

Rlss makes the waveline. The BEST outta the three. The speedwave was sold by rlss to another company and its their first model. The waveline is better.

[Drae]

http://************.com/2013/06/10/dc-pumps/

[gcarroll]

Originally Posted by Drae

Rlss makes the waveline. The BEST outta the three. The speedwave was sold by rlss to another company and its their first model. The waveline is better.

What makes it the best?

[Drae]

Originally Posted by gcarroll

What makes it the best?

Whatever improvements rlss made to the second generation. The speedwave is based off their first generation. I suppose the internals have been upgraded.

[Drae]

The link doesn't work but it explains why the waveline is the second best after the red dragon3 outta Germany. It also explains that rlss designed the speedwave and sold the design then completely overhauled theirs. The speedwave's are first generation. It's all in the article.

[gcarroll]

Tough to call the 2nd generation better when they are not even available. You must be basing this opinion on the first generation. Those are the only ones that hit the market. Are we sure that the other companies are not going to have 2nd generation also? If they sold the first generation to other companies, what will stop them from doing it again?

[Drae]

There are many different DC water pumps on the market — Waveline, Speedline, Diablo, Jebao, Boyu, and of course Royal Exclusiv are just the few of the ones on the market today. With so many companies producing pumps, some companies selling identical pumps and yet other companies selling visually similar rebadged pumps it can be difficult to distinguish them all. So what is what and which one is which? This guide will help you navigate the world of DC pumps.Royal Exclusiv Red Dragon Controllable DC pumpsRoyal Exclusiv was really the first company to release controllable DC pumps for aquarium use and was the first to put them to use on its premium skimmers. The Red Dragon DC pumps have come a long way since their first release, going through several transformations along the way. Currently all the Royal Exclusiv DC pumps are named Red Dragon 3, while the non-DC pumps go under the Bubble King category.* The Red Dragon 3 DC pump line comes in three controllable DC models, a 50W model which pushes around 1,200 gallons per hour (5,0m³), a 65W model which pushes around 1,850 gallons per hour (7,0m³), and a 75W model which pushes around 2,100 gallons per hour (8,0m³).Depending on whether the pump is to be used on a skimmer or as return and depending on the skimmer configuration the pumps come with different models and prices. The Red Dragon 3 return pumps sell for €550 (~$725) for the 50W model, 579 € (~$765) for the 65W model, and 599 € (~$790) for the 75W model. The Red Dragon skimmer pumps are only available in the 50W model and retail from 499 € ($) up to 472 € ($). Royal Exclusiv also sells an extra silent non-controllable DC pump, drawing 50W with flow rates of approximately 1,188 gallons per hour (4.5m³), for 450 € (~$595)RLSS Waveline Controllable DC pumpsWaveline was the first company to offer mass market DC pumps at an affordable price, forgoing some of the premium aspects alienating the average reef hobbyist from DC pumps. The titanium screws, titanium rotor, titanium stator and shriveled bearings seen on the Red Dragon 3 pumps cannot be found. These pumps are also manufactured in China rather than in Germany. That is not to say these are low quality pumps, as beside the Red Dragon 3 DC pumps the Waveline DC pumps are still one of the more premium DC pumps of this list.The manufacturer RLSS*recently upgraded its Waveline pumps*completely overhauling the pump’s design*for greater efficiency, a smaller footprint, improved electrical connections, along with a new and more upgradable controller which allows third party control and master/slave configuration. The upgraded Waveline pump come in two models — theDC6000*which pushes 6000 liters per hour (1,585 gallons per hour) at 50W and the DC1200 which pushes 12,000 liters per hour (3,170 gallons per hour) at 180W.* The DC6000 and DC1200 retail for $239 and $349 respectively.Read more:*http://************.com/2013/06/10/d...#ixzz2XpBgbTqd

[Drae]

Originally Posted by gcarroll

Tough to call the 2nd generation better when they are not even available. You must be basing this opinion on the first generation. Those are the only ones that hit the market. Are we sure that the other companies are not going to have 2nd generation also? If they sold the first generation to other companies, what will stop them from doing it again?

You are right about the availability. But they will be better when they hit the market. I stand corrected.

[gcarroll]

Hopefully RLSS can come on this thread and straighten this out. I am confused as I have heard so many different stories about RLSS and the other companies such as Speedwave, Octopus Diablo, Jebao, ect....

[Dbondaruk]

Thanks alot for the inputs, I'm going to look into the waveline 12000... I was first looking at the speed wave 10000 but the waveline is supposibly the newer version of the speed wave .alot of people seem to like the waveline. Where are rlss pumps from Canada? Also where is the diablo pumps made?

[Drae]

They're made in China.

[Dbondaruk]

Thanks

[gcarroll]

Originally Posted by Dbondaruk

Thanks alot for the inputs, I'm going to look into the waveline 12000... I was first looking at the speed wave 10000 but the waveline is supposibly the newer version of the speed wave .alot of people seem to like the waveline. Where are rlss pumps from Canada? Also where is the diablo pumps made?

They are all manufactured in China. I don't recall any of the companies claiming otherwise.

[nickdo]

I've heard too many dead pump cases about those made in china DC pump(including wavexxxx). My frd use dc5000 and it dead while his trip and he total lost his coral and fish.

It is happened in hk & china. I maybe replace it with aquabee up11000 or rd3 85w, or just buy and second MIC dc pump for immediate replacement(Must have controller monitored).

[jaxheat]

I purchased the RLSS Waveline DC-5000 in February 5, 2013 and it failed on June 12, 2013. While it was working, it was an answer to a prayer (quiet, affordable, energy efficient and low heat exchange). However, it's been 22 days since I first contacted RLSS and I don't have a replacement yet nor have I received a suggested shipping date or even an excuse for the delay. Rather, I've only received an acknowledgement of my request sent from an iPhone. Since the original request, I have sent 4 e-mails requesting follow up and even asked the original online retailer to get involved. Thus I received an "I'm sorry" from RLSS for overlooking my e-mails. Regardless, I am still waiting.

Prior to this I had a Danner Mag Drive (New York based) and it's impeller corroded and busted open within the 3 year warranty. Because the corrosion caused damaged to the interior impeller well they asked that I return the entire pump. They sent a new impeller and pump to me within a week.

In the saltwater hobby, prompt customer satisfaction is utterly important not just for the keeper but also for the safety of the 'very expensive and delicate' species that we collect. With the DC-5000 being discontinued, all of the online retailers have removed the reviews of the pump along with the product. Thus, its hard to find a 'real' time tested review of the product(s).

It's obvious that the Waveline, Speedwave and Diablo pumps are all made by the same manufacturer in China (and I am pretty sure it is Jebao). Furthermore, it's also obvious that these distributors are having difficulty bringing this product(s) to market as they are out of stock or on pre-order on almost every online retailer website.

If you live in the U.S. (as I do, Florida) there are very few remedies to customer complaints when the distributor is in another country. I've had a few experiences ordering directly from China and all of them were positive, despite customs delays. In fact, when I ordered LED lighting from china they forgot to send a part but after emailing them they had it to me within 3 days.... all the way from China! Unfortunately, this experience has not been the same for the distributor from Canada (RLSS).

In my opinion, DC aquarium pump technology is new and exciting and is going to provide great benefits; but, unless you have the money to splurge or want to be a guinea pig on your dime it may be a better idea to wait and stick with a 'tried and true' product from a distributor that has the resources (professionally, financially and with product stock and parts) to uphold the warranty terms in a timely manner.

I would easily forgive RLSS if I were to have been told, as of today, that they were out of stock and would be sending me the newest model or an upgrade for the delay (and who knows, they might) when available. However, in the absence of a justification I thought that it may be better to forewarn those that are thinking of this purchase.

[matty0206]

I bought the first generation Rlss R6I skimmer that uses the Speedwave 3000 I believe and I can say it is dead silent and has worked flawlessly since I got it. I will say this though, I broke the valute on it and after no response to an email to Rlss I was able to get it replaced with one phone call to Salty supply. It kinda sucks because when I first got the skimmer Rlss was very quick about responding and very helpful, not sure what happened. I did finally get a response from Rlss a week after I sent the email requesting pictures of the broken piece, when I informed them Salty supply took care of it they never responded again.
My plan for my new return pump was to wait for a waveline but I am in need of one now so I purchased the RO Diablo 5500 and am excited to get it going, I like the DC pumps and it will be nice to have the adjustment on the pump so I can get rid of the valve in my return line plus the feed mode is very handy, well at least on the skimmer it is.