Heater won't fit in sump

rtague · 11/06/2013, 05:41 PM

Hi all,
I'm in the process of setting up a 75 g mixed reef.Perfecto 75 g rr with custom built sump.I purchased the eheim jaegar 250w heater which won't fit in any of the sumps compartments:angry fire:.My question is,will the 200w version be enough to heat 90-95 gallons total volume ,the shorter 200w would fit.I've kept fresh water for a long time and found 1-2 w per gallon to be sufficient,any thoughts?

skene · 11/06/2013, 06:13 PM

Should be fine.

rtague · 11/06/2013, 06:23 PM

Thanks Skene,got my first coral from you a couple of years back,free kenya tree!
upgrading to a 75.

rtague · 11/06/2013, 06:25 PM

Anyone else?

gone fishin · 11/06/2013, 07:13 PM

I think you would be ok.

sleepydoc · 11/06/2013, 08:25 PM

likely fine, depends on your ambient temp, pumps, lighting, etc. Start with the 200, if you need to add another small heater and have 2 small heaters rather than 1 big one, it'll work fine.

ivar85 · 11/06/2013, 08:31 PM

Yes it will

edessa · 11/06/2013, 08:44 PM

I have heard of some refers use tow small heater instead of one so if one fails off they still have one to keep working until they replace the failed heater. I personally don't do it.

Reef Frog · 11/07/2013, 12:47 AM

Compared to the average FW tank, a SW tank runs much much hotter. Powerful lights & pumps are the reason. Room temperature is an important consideration. I too like splitting the heaters as a failsafe. Remember, heater failure might be the number on killer of SW tanks besides tropical storms and vacations. No need to over do heating IMO. Consider a controller for your heaters.

My 65g runs in 72F room temp and my heater never comes on - and the tank will want to run at 80F or more....and sometimes my chiller comes on to keep it at my 79F set point.

KeepNitReel · 11/07/2013, 12:53 AM

Two small heaters are better than one I'm told.

I use one 300w heater in my 160g with 50g sump & it does the job but I plan on going the two heater route just in case one fails.

Saltliquid · 11/07/2013, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KeepNitReel

Two small heaters are better than one I'm told.

I use one 300w heater in my 160g with 50g sump & it does the job but I plan on going the two heater route just in case one fails.

Good call mate!
Just put it or them any where, just do not put the head of it in the water, ever!

shifty51008 · 11/07/2013, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by liquidg

Good call mate!
Just put it or them any where, just do not put the head of it in the water, ever!

Just curious, why not put the head under the water? I use 4 diffrent types of heaters in my tank and breeding setup and never had problems with them being completly submerged.

Drboomson · 11/07/2013, 02:42 AM

have the 200W in my 120g setup works fine

Baldguy · 11/07/2013, 06:15 AM

Many put their heaters in the overflow. Usually room for even the longer heaters there. Every heater I've seen can be completely submerged.

Saltliquid · 11/07/2013, 07:01 AM

Yeh they say that they can be, but after many years, its not true!
Use is salt water is a quicker death for heaters.
That heat and then cold and expansion and contraction over years takes its toll and you get a surprise one day, probably during winter.
I have two heaters that function great and they are over 30 years old and have never had the heads in the water.
Then there is another protective measure to take, I have never had a power heads impellor area last any less then 18 years due to always placing them after barriers of dacron.
I use a very cheap chiller that was said to be crap 8 years back and might only last one year, with a complete fabric softener flush and a tear down maintenance of all electrics and compressor after each season, its still going strong.
I suppose if you are vigilant and don’t mind replacing stuff at less then half its potential life, then its all good.

shifty51008 · 11/07/2013, 04:52 PM

well I have some heaters that are over 10 years old and have always been submerged and they still work as good as the day I bought them and they were the cheap brands. I do have each heater on their own temp controller though, I will never trust any heaters thermostat no matter how spendy they are.

Thekingy · 11/07/2013, 07:39 PM

You could just put it in your overflow, I've had my heater in my overflow for two years now with no issues. My water stays between 78-80 degrees works well for me I have a 75 as well.

blu_devl_06 · 11/07/2013, 07:43 PM

2 smaller heaters would work fine, and you would have a fail safe should 1 of them croak....always think redundancy

Saltliquid · 11/08/2013, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by shifty51008

well I have some heaters that are over 10 years old and have always been submerged and they still work as good as the day I bought them and they were the cheap brands. I do have each heater on their own temp controller though, I will never trust any heaters thermostat no matter how spendy they are.

There you go, that's what fails on some submersed heaters and then all of them after some years.

shifty51008 · 11/08/2013, 03:16 AM

Yeah but they will fail even if not submerged. I guess its just one of those things that is neither right or wrong but what works for one person. Im not saying your right or wrong was just wondering

Saltliquid · 11/08/2013, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shifty51008

Yeah but they will fail even if not submerged. I guess its just one of those things that is neither right or wrong but what works for one person. Im not saying your right or wrong was just wondering

That's cool.

11/06/2013, 05:41 PM	#1
rtague Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 376	Heater won't fit in sump Hi all, I'm in the process of setting up a 75 g mixed reef.Perfecto 75 g rr with custom built sump.I purchased the eheim jaegar 250w heater which won't fit in any of the sumps compartments:angry fire:.My question is,will the 200w version be enough to heat 90-95 gallons total volume ,the shorter 200w would fit.I've kept fresh water for a long time and found 1-2 w per gallon to be sufficient,any thoughts?

11/06/2013, 07:13 PM	#5
gone fishin Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Wyocena Wi Posts: 6,936	I think you would be ok. __________________ Tony Current Tank Info: 180gal DT, BM NAC77 skimmer,3 Maxspect razors, Maxspect Gyre 150, 30g QT

11/06/2013, 08:25 PM	#6
sleepydoc Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,907	likely fine, depends on your ambient temp, pumps, lighting, etc. Start with the 200, if you need to add another small heater and have 2 small heaters rather than 1 big one, it'll work fine. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 120 gallon, coast to coast overflow w/beananimal overflow. Waveline DC 10000 II return pump, 40 gal sump, Octopus XS200 skimmer, T5 lighting

11/06/2013, 08:44 PM	#8
edessa Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Highland Heights, OH Posts: 48	I have heard of some refers use tow small heater instead of one so if one fails off they still have one to keep working until they replace the failed heater. I personally don't do it. __________________ 110 Gallon tall, Aqueon modular model 4 sump, CPR CS90 overflow. SCA-302 skimmer Livestock: 4" hippo tang, one clown, two damsels. Large green polyp leather. Current Tank Info: 110G tall, 100 LBS live rock, Aqueon modular model 4 sump.

11/07/2013, 02:42 AM	#13
Drboomson Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: So Cal Posts: 15	have the 200W in my 120g setup works fine __________________ 120g Visio (48x24x25) 40B sump/15g Fuge; 200lbs LR/200Lbs Fiji Pink; 2x18" ecoxotic Panoramas W/ 10 Modules; Jebao WP40; Bubble Magus Curve 7; BRS GFO/Carbon Reactor; Mag 9 Return Current Tank Info: 120g w/ 40B sump/fuge

11/06/2013, 06:13 PM	#2
skene Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 104	Should be fine.

11/06/2013, 06:23 PM	#3
rtague Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 376	Thanks Skene,got my first coral from you a couple of years back,free kenya tree! upgrading to a 75.

11/06/2013, 06:25 PM	#4
rtague Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 376	Anyone else?

11/06/2013, 08:31 PM	#7
ivar85 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 68	Yes it will

11/07/2013, 12:47 AM	#9
Reef Frog Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Maryland Posts: 3,121	Compared to the average FW tank, a SW tank runs much much hotter. Powerful lights & pumps are the reason. Room temperature is an important consideration. I too like splitting the heaters as a failsafe. Remember, heater failure might be the number on killer of SW tanks besides tropical storms and vacations. No need to over do heating IMO. Consider a controller for your heaters. My 65g runs in 72F room temp and my heater never comes on - and the tank will want to run at 80F or more....and sometimes my chiller comes on to keep it at my 79F set point.

11/07/2013, 12:53 AM	#10
KeepNitReel Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Henrico, Virginia Posts: 490	Two small heaters are better than one I'm told. I use one 300w heater in my 160g with 50g sump & it does the job but I plan on going the two heater route just in case one fails.

11/07/2013, 06:15 AM	#14
Baldguy Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ft Worth Posts: 296	Many put their heaters in the overflow. Usually room for even the longer heaters there. Every heater I've seen can be completely submerged.

11/07/2013, 07:01 AM	#15
Saltliquid Registered Member. Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 911	Yeh they say that they can be, but after many years, its not true! Use is salt water is a quicker death for heaters. That heat and then cold and expansion and contraction over years takes its toll and you get a surprise one day, probably during winter. I have two heaters that function great and they are over 30 years old and have never had the heads in the water. Then there is another protective measure to take, I have never had a power heads impellor area last any less then 18 years due to always placing them after barriers of dacron. I use a very cheap chiller that was said to be crap 8 years back and might only last one year, with a complete fabric softener flush and a tear down maintenance of all electrics and compressor after each season, its still going strong. I suppose if you are vigilant and don’t mind replacing stuff at less then half its potential life, then its all good.

11/07/2013, 04:52 PM	#16
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	well I have some heaters that are over 10 years old and have always been submerged and they still work as good as the day I bought them and they were the cheap brands. I do have each heater on their own temp controller though, I will never trust any heaters thermostat no matter how spendy they are. __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

11/07/2013, 07:39 PM	#17
Thekingy Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 812	You could just put it in your overflow, I've had my heater in my overflow for two years now with no issues. My water stays between 78-80 degrees works well for me I have a 75 as well.

11/07/2013, 07:43 PM	#18
blu_devl_06 Registered Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Norwalk, Oh Posts: 218	2 smaller heaters would work fine, and you would have a fail safe should 1 of them croak....always think redundancy __________________ Building another 40B! Current Tank Info: working on a 40B

11/08/2013, 03:16 AM	#20
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	Yeah but they will fail even if not submerged. I guess its just one of those things that is neither right or wrong but what works for one person. Im not saying your right or wrong was just wondering __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder