Man Grove VS Cheato

scott3569 · 05/08/2014, 05:38 AM

So I did a search for this and came up with nothing..

Have you use one but not the other? Why?

Have you used both? And your perfer one over the other? Why?

Do you hate both of them? Why?

scott3569 · 05/08/2014, 05:43 AM

I am still going through my cycle stage so..I plan on using cheato though..until I found out what mangrove was..not sure what the difference is..so I am hoping to find out here

Moort82 · 05/08/2014, 05:57 AM

I have used both and think cheato is much better if your wanting to remove excess nutrients. Mangroves are very slow growers so are limited in their nutrient removal properties. Cheato is far better and easier to keep with less maintenance.

I hate a proverbial forest of mangroves, 100 in a hundred gallons or so and they did grow but never really noticed a reduction of nutrients like my cheato did. Then the cheato stopped growing but i substituted for caulerpa which seems to do the job. Mangroves are cool but i wouldn't call them filtration, they are excellent refuges for pods and small critters though, so worth considering.

ReeferBill · 05/08/2014, 06:32 AM

+1 TO Moort82 on macro algae plus it is a great place to raise copepods!

usmc121581 · 05/08/2014, 06:38 AM

I have both in a 20 gal long and they both are doing good. I have one mangrove that should top 36" within a month or 2

thegrun · 05/08/2014, 07:35 AM

Mangroves just don't grow fast enough to remove a lot of nutrients. If you like the look, great, but don't expect the nutrient export you get from a good macro algae.

d2mini · 05/08/2014, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thegrun

Mangroves just don't grow fast enough to remove a lot of nutrients. If you like the look, great, but don't expect the nutrient export you get from a good macro algae.

+1
I've had upwards of 50 of them but it was just for fun.
Now i'm focusing on growing out just a few into larger specimens.
Cheato and other macros will export nutrients much faster.

Gjefcoat · 05/08/2014, 08:37 AM

Chaeto is much better for nutrient export in my opinion. I have a 40b connected to my fudge for just Chaeto. It is lite with a 96w CF on a reverse light cycle. I pull out enough to fill a 5 gallon bucket every month. Then sell it or trade at my local LFS. Great stuff.

Metal Man 1221 · 05/08/2014, 08:45 AM

The primary benefit of having mangroves, is the environment they can provide to establish a higher level of biodiversity.

Cheato will be much more effective in removing nutrients. But if you have the room, why not have both?

Randy Holmes-Farley · 05/08/2014, 10:42 AM

I agree that mangroves grow much more slowly than many macroalgae and hence take up less nutrients. I can't see keeping them unless the goal is the aesthetics of how they look in the system. I never understood the interest in them.

IowaReefer · 05/08/2014, 10:43 AM

Looks - mangrove

Nutrient export - cheato, hands down.

Windirmere · 05/08/2014, 01:07 PM

use cheato never even researched mangroves dont really have the space for trees under my stand

Reeferz412 · 05/08/2014, 01:20 PM

It takes a high volume of mangroves to actually put a dent in nutrition export. Chaeto does not require a lot of volume or space to grow and is relatively easy to cut back and maintain.

DiscusHeckel · 05/08/2014, 01:23 PM

As mentioned above, due to their slow growth rate I have not found mangroves as an efficient nutrient export mechanism.

Furthermore, I have read that mangroves increase magnesium consumption in a reef tank. I have found this to be the case.

EDIT: FWIW, this article may be of interest to anyone who is considering using mangroves.

MORE EDIT: Sorry it is taking a while to remember and locate articles I read in the past. This article is quite interesting because it compares nutrient uptake rates between macro algae and mangroves.

PS. Note to self- I need to remember adding these articles to my reading list.

Moort82 · 05/08/2014, 02:01 PM

Interesting article thanks.

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05/08/2014, 05:38 AM	#1
scott3569 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Middletown,VA Posts: 929	Man Grove VS Cheato So I did a search for this and came up with nothing.. Have you use one but not the other? Why? Have you used both? And your perfer one over the other? Why? Do you hate both of them? Why? __________________ I'm in a fishy situation!!! Current Tank Info: 56 gallon 30 x 18 x 22 with a 40gal sump, SCA 302 skimmer, 10 gal QT tank, a hydror 600 power head, 2 enhiem 150 heaters, 49#'s of dry rock, 12#'s of life rock, 40#'s of sand

05/08/2014, 05:43 AM	#2
scott3569 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Middletown,VA Posts: 929	I am still going through my cycle stage so..I plan on using cheato though..until I found out what mangrove was..not sure what the difference is..so I am hoping to find out here __________________ I'm in a fishy situation!!! Current Tank Info: 56 gallon 30 x 18 x 22 with a 40gal sump, SCA 302 skimmer, 10 gal QT tank, a hydror 600 power head, 2 enhiem 150 heaters, 49#'s of dry rock, 12#'s of life rock, 40#'s of sand

05/08/2014, 06:32 AM	#4
ReeferBill Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,906	+1 TO Moort82 on macro algae plus it is a great place to raise copepods! __________________ I never realized I had to be a Chemist and a Marine Biologist to maintain a Reef Aquarium!

05/08/2014, 06:38 AM	#5
usmc121581 Where am I? Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Abingdon, maryland Posts: 1,671 Blog Entries: 1	I have both in a 20 gal long and they both are doing good. I have one mangrove that should top 36" within a month or 2 __________________ I prefer not to think before I speak, I like to be just as surprised as everyone else by what comes out of my mouth. Current Tank Info: I have a 180 gal mostly LPS corals, it contains 1 Val. Tang, 1 yellow striped clown fish, 3 percula clownfish, a blood shrimp, cleaner shrimp and a sand shifting goby, 5 pajama cardinals, 1 green chromis. Also a 75 gal. sump/fug.

05/08/2014, 05:57 AM	#3
Moort82 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norfolk, England Posts: 1,576	I have used both and think cheato is much better if your wanting to remove excess nutrients. Mangroves are very slow growers so are limited in their nutrient removal properties. Cheato is far better and easier to keep with less maintenance. I hate a proverbial forest of mangroves, 100 in a hundred gallons or so and they did grow but never really noticed a reduction of nutrients like my cheato did. Then the cheato stopped growing but i substituted for caulerpa which seems to do the job. Mangroves are cool but i wouldn't call them filtration, they are excellent refuges for pods and small critters though, so worth considering.

05/08/2014, 07:35 AM	#6
thegrun Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Garden Grove, Ca Posts: 17,023	Mangroves just don't grow fast enough to remove a lot of nutrients. If you like the look, great, but don't expect the nutrient export you get from a good macro algae.

05/08/2014, 08:37 AM	#8
Gjefcoat Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 9	Chaeto is much better for nutrient export in my opinion. I have a 40b connected to my fudge for just Chaeto. It is lite with a 96w CF on a reverse light cycle. I pull out enough to fill a 5 gallon bucket every month. Then sell it or trade at my local LFS. Great stuff.

05/08/2014, 08:45 AM	#9
Metal Man 1221 FMMAS Executive Director Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Fargo ND Posts: 1,504	The primary benefit of having mangroves, is the environment they can provide to establish a higher level of biodiversity. Cheato will be much more effective in removing nutrients. But if you have the room, why not have both? __________________ "My advise is, always look at their aquarium before you take their advise. Because alot of people give advise and they havnt got a clue" ~David Saxby~ "Only after the last tree's cut and the last river poisoned only after the last fish is caught will you find that money cannot be eaten" ~Lamb of God~ Current Tank Info: 125g DT, 45g sump ---- 57g Illuminata, custom sump

05/08/2014, 10:42 AM	#10
Randy Holmes-Farley Reef Chemist Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Arlington, Massachusetts Posts: 86,233	I agree that mangroves grow much more slowly than many macroalgae and hence take up less nutrients. I can't see keeping them unless the goal is the aesthetics of how they look in the system. I never understood the interest in them. __________________ Randy Holmes-Farley Current Tank Info: 120 mixed reef

05/08/2014, 10:43 AM	#11
IowaReefer Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 609	Looks - mangrove Nutrient export - cheato, hands down.

05/08/2014, 01:07 PM	#12
Windirmere Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Courteny BC Canada Posts: 452	use cheato never even researched mangroves dont really have the space for trees under my stand

05/08/2014, 01:20 PM	#13
Reeferz412 Coral Hoarder Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 2,247	It takes a high volume of mangroves to actually put a dent in nutrition export. Chaeto does not require a lot of volume or space to grow and is relatively easy to cut back and maintain. __________________ Alex FMAS Member Current Tank Info: 400 Gallons of frags... 30 gallon Deep Blue mixed reef ... 70 other tanks throughout south FL

05/08/2014, 01:23 PM	#14
DiscusHeckel Acropora Gardener Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 2,780	As mentioned above, due to their slow growth rate I have not found mangroves as an efficient nutrient export mechanism. Furthermore, I have read that mangroves increase magnesium consumption in a reef tank. I have found this to be the case. EDIT: FWIW, this article may be of interest to anyone who is considering using mangroves. MORE EDIT: Sorry it is taking a while to remember and locate articles I read in the past. This article is quite interesting because it compares nutrient uptake rates between macro algae and mangroves. PS. Note to self- I need to remember adding these articles to my reading list. __________________ Featured Tank OCT 2016 \| "Reef Hobbyist Magazine" TOTM OCT 2016 \| "Ultimate Reef", UK FB \| "/troutsReefTank/" 65G SPS Reef- ATI 8 X 39W PM; TM [Bacto-Balance A-; Reef Actif; Nitribiotic; Iodine] Last edited by DiscusHeckel; 05/08/2014 at 01:40 PM.

05/08/2014, 02:01 PM	#15
Moort82 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norfolk, England Posts: 1,576	Interesting article thanks.