100L Stocking

SteveZZR · 09/10/2014, 07:27 AM

Hi guys,

I have plans to move from my 50L cube to a 100L long in the next week or so. I currently have a Mandarin, a Yellow Clown Goby, and a Priolepis Nocturnus.

I'd like a pair or Banggai Cardinals when I upgrade. Would that put me at maximum stocking or would there be room for a Clown too? Obviously looking at the Percula or Occelaris as they stay smaller.

HumbleFish · 09/10/2014, 07:34 AM

You could add a pair of Percs or Ocellaris, IMHO.

SteveZZR · 09/10/2014, 08:18 AM

A pair of cardinals and pair of clowns?

HumbleFish · 09/10/2014, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveZZR

A pair of cardinals and pair of clowns?

Sure, so long as you stick to a smaller species of clownfish.

SteveZZR · 09/10/2014, 09:32 AM

So to confirm, in 100L I can keep two gobies, a mandarin (jar cultured pods and also taking frozen garlic brine), two Bengal cardinals, and a pair of perc. or occ. Clowns?

Awesome

Will I have to keep eye on clown aggression in this sized tank? Obviously they'll go in last

HumbleFish · 09/10/2014, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveZZR

So to confirm, in 100L I can keep two gobies, a mandarin (jar cultured pods and also taking frozen garlic brine), two Bengal cardinals, and a pair of perc. or occ. Clowns?

Yes. Your biggest challenge will be keeping the mandy well fed.

SteveZZR · 09/10/2014, 10:12 AM

He is on the skinny side at the moment but takes the frozen brine and I see him chomping pods on the rock. Fairly certain he's getting fatter. I'm thinking about putting him in a hang on 2L box to get him fat on garlic brine without anyone else to compete with. He seems to know if he comes up the back of the wavemaker when it goes off there's a chance the food is coming. I tend to throw some food into the tank for the gobies and drop 1/4 cube behind the wavemaker, mandarin chomps maybe half and then hoovers the substrate later

HumbleFish · 09/10/2014, 10:57 AM

Once it's available again, try nutramar ova as a supplemental food. IME; larger, established mandarins will often swim right into the water column to take down mysis, live blackworms. Some have reported success feeding .5mm pellets, but that hasn't been the case for me.

SteveZZR · 09/10/2014, 12:12 PM

When is it / isn't it available?

And I'm hoping he gets nice and fat so he can learn to compete for the food in the water column - he was swimming higher when first added and chomped mid-water but doesn't bother so much now

HumbleFish · 09/10/2014, 12:35 PM

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When is it / isn't it available?

http://www.qualitymarine.com/News/Co...ime-(08/04/14)

Sk8r · 09/10/2014, 02:02 PM

instead of cardinals, should you wish, a tailspot blenny and a royal gramma would give you activity and color for the same adult mass. Plus be compatible. But no more than that. Your US equivalent is a hair over 25 gallons.

kw22 · 09/10/2014, 02:39 PM

I wouldn't keep a mandarin in a 100 litre,that's only around 25 gallons.They really need a 350 litre+ established tank to thrive

2 clownfish
1 Cardinal
And your existing fish bar the mandarin

The above is what I would recommend,if you have a good decent skimmer.

fishhuman · 09/10/2014, 04:55 PM

Yes unless your mandarin is eating pellets or mysis shrimp it will starve

SteveZZR · 09/11/2014, 09:24 AM

I've read that Mysis aren't particularly nutritious as a staple food, though I could be wrong? He eats garlic enriched brine happily though

kw22 · 09/11/2014, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveZZR

I've read that Mysis aren't particularly nutritious as a staple food, though I could be wrong? He eats garlic enriched brine happily though

Mysis shrimp aren't very nutritious TBQH.He will get SOME nourishment from then brine shrimp,but not as a staple food.It will need a colony of Copepods and amphipods.

SteveZZR · 09/20/2014, 02:41 PM

Just because I don't like open ended threads I'll close out with this:

I have him feeding happily on frozen Cyclops now. Basically freshwater copepods from what I've found from a quick google search. I also have a pile of rubble in a hang on Marina breeding box (air driven inlet, overflow return) and have added a load of pods to that to up the tank's pod count. Mandarin seems to be gaining weight quite happily.

Xavibear · 09/21/2014, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sk8r

instead of cardinals, should you wish, a tailspot blenny and a royal gramma would give you activity and color for the same adult mass. Plus be compatible. But no more than that. Your US equivalent is a hair over 25 gallons.

+1.

All fish eat pods. Just about anything you add to 100L is going to compete with the mandarin for pods. A blenny is a great choice because it's peaceful & a herbivore.

09/10/2014, 07:27 AM	#1
SteveZZR Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 142	100L Stocking Hi guys, I have plans to move from my 50L cube to a 100L long in the next week or so. I currently have a Mandarin, a Yellow Clown Goby, and a Priolepis Nocturnus. I'd like a pair or Banggai Cardinals when I upgrade. Would that put me at maximum stocking or would there be room for a Clown too? Obviously looking at the Percula or Occelaris as they stay smaller.

09/10/2014, 02:02 PM	#11
Sk8r RC Mod Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 34,628 Blog Entries: 55	instead of cardinals, should you wish, a tailspot blenny and a royal gramma would give you activity and color for the same adult mass. Plus be compatible. But no more than that. Your US equivalent is a hair over 25 gallons. __________________ Sk8r Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low. Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.

09/10/2014, 02:39 PM	#12
kw22 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Éire (Republic of Ireland) Posts: 435	I wouldn't keep a mandarin in a 100 litre,that's only around 25 gallons.They really need a 350 litre+ established tank to thrive 2 clownfish 1 Cardinal And your existing fish bar the mandarin The above is what I would recommend,if you have a good decent skimmer. __________________ If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree,it will spend its whole life thinking that it is stupid. Current Tank Info: All freshwater at the moment.Hoping to set up a marine tank in the future.

09/10/2014, 07:34 AM	#2
HumbleFish Moved On Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 4,757	You could add a pair of Percs or Ocellaris, IMHO.

09/10/2014, 08:18 AM	#3
SteveZZR Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 142	A pair of cardinals and pair of clowns?

09/10/2014, 09:32 AM	#5
SteveZZR Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 142	So to confirm, in 100L I can keep two gobies, a mandarin (jar cultured pods and also taking frozen garlic brine), two Bengal cardinals, and a pair of perc. or occ. Clowns? Awesome Will I have to keep eye on clown aggression in this sized tank? Obviously they'll go in last

09/10/2014, 10:12 AM	#7
SteveZZR Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 142	He is on the skinny side at the moment but takes the frozen brine and I see him chomping pods on the rock. Fairly certain he's getting fatter. I'm thinking about putting him in a hang on 2L box to get him fat on garlic brine without anyone else to compete with. He seems to know if he comes up the back of the wavemaker when it goes off there's a chance the food is coming. I tend to throw some food into the tank for the gobies and drop 1/4 cube behind the wavemaker, mandarin chomps maybe half and then hoovers the substrate later

09/10/2014, 10:57 AM	#8
HumbleFish Moved On Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 4,757	Once it's available again, try nutramar ova as a supplemental food. IME; larger, established mandarins will often swim right into the water column to take down mysis, live blackworms. Some have reported success feeding .5mm pellets, but that hasn't been the case for me.

09/10/2014, 12:12 PM	#9
SteveZZR Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 142	When is it / isn't it available? And I'm hoping he gets nice and fat so he can learn to compete for the food in the water column - he was swimming higher when first added and chomped mid-water but doesn't bother so much now

09/10/2014, 04:55 PM	#13
fishhuman Registered Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: LA california Posts: 647	Yes unless your mandarin is eating pellets or mysis shrimp it will starve

09/11/2014, 09:24 AM	#14
SteveZZR Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 142	I've read that Mysis aren't particularly nutritious as a staple food, though I could be wrong? He eats garlic enriched brine happily though

09/20/2014, 02:41 PM	#16
SteveZZR Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 142	Just because I don't like open ended threads I'll close out with this: I have him feeding happily on frozen Cyclops now. Basically freshwater copepods from what I've found from a quick google search. I also have a pile of rubble in a hang on Marina breeding box (air driven inlet, overflow return) and have added a load of pods to that to up the tank's pod count. Mandarin seems to be gaining weight quite happily.