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Frustrating! Kole with ICH :(
New tank, kole tang was in lfs for a month in there QT no problems, been in my tank two weeks no problems. Water params are perfect, been feeding and grazing very well. Today I see about 8 white specs on him. Very frustrating. My two clowns look fine. I don't have a QT. Super bummed. I ordered some garlic and will start soaking some rods in garlic and hope to rid the ich. I just know that now my tank is ich positive, and I'll just be waiting for a recurrence. What a bummer.
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10/21/2014, 07:13 PM
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garlic does nothing to help with ich. proper medication, isolation, and fallow period for the DT are the only courses of action.
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10/21/2014, 07:15 PM
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As to why I said I'll be waiting for the recurrence. However, garlic does help in the mean time while I figure out what I am going to do.
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10/21/2014, 08:43 PM
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Here's what I did. Bought two totes at Wally World. Filled with ASW, pvc pieces, heaters, thermometers, and disposable airstones. Also found a free QT tank at the dump and added a HOB filter with floss.
After 12 days of TTM the fish went into QT. No meds. 72 days fallow on the DT. Finally the fish returned to DT Ich free. Not a painless process but it works. What stores do for QT are irrelevant. You have to do your own QT. I do TTM for any new fish and then at least an additional month in QT to observe for other issues.
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10/21/2014, 08:44 PM
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Thanks, I'm wondering if it's even ich. I'm going to watch for the next couple days.
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10/21/2014, 08:52 PM
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i've seen it said many times...the only person you should trust to properly qt your fish is yourself.
 i do the same as above, ttm and then observation for 4 weeks. everything new, without fail. good luck!
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10/21/2014, 08:53 PM
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What is ttm ?
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10/21/2014, 08:55 PM
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ttm = tank transfer method. do a search and you will find some excellent threads that explain this in detail. it sounds daunting at first but it's really very, very simple and is about the closest to 100% you can get to either preventing ich or curing it.
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of all the things i've lost, i miss my gary the most. Never hold your farts in. They travel up your spine into your brain, and that is where crappy ideas come from. Current Tank Info: i gave my reef away and i feel like a bird out of a cage!! |
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10/21/2014, 08:57 PM
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Awesome, I'll read into this tomorrow, maybe since the kole is so small and the others are just clown fish I can use a 10g for the time being?
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10/21/2014, 10:23 PM
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Good luck catching the Kole.... 
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10/22/2014, 04:08 AM
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Keep it well fed in the meantime.
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10/22/2014, 07:23 AM
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of all the things i've lost, i miss my gary the most. Never hold your farts in. They travel up your spine into your brain, and that is where crappy ideas come from. Current Tank Info: i gave my reef away and i feel like a bird out of a cage!! |
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10/22/2014, 07:42 AM
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I do have a 20 long doing nothing. Perhaps I should set this up as a QT.
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10/22/2014, 10:24 AM
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you could if you plan to use a copper medication for the ich that is already present. you could also grab another 10g tank and use the 10 and 20 for ttm. you wouldn't have to fill either of them completely up. when i did ttm with my fish, i only filled the 10g tanks about 3/4 full.
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of all the things i've lost, i miss my gary the most. Never hold your farts in. They travel up your spine into your brain, and that is where crappy ideas come from. Current Tank Info: i gave my reef away and i feel like a bird out of a cage!! |
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10/22/2014, 10:41 AM
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Levamisole is what I would recommend
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10/22/2014, 10:42 AM
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What is that? Reef safe?
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10/22/2014, 10:52 AM
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It is used by vets to deworm livestock. I have never heard of it to treat ich.
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10/22/2014, 11:13 AM
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It is used for deworming cattle yes. It works excellent. It's reef safe. Im going to write an article about it and should have it up on my site soon. However it works good. Inverts and corals may ot like it, but it poses them no threat whatsoever as long as it's used properly.for example in a 200 gallon tank I would only use 3 grams and I would run it with carbon out and skimmer off for 5 hours. Then I would do a 20% wate change and turn the skimmer back on. Cheers!
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10/22/2014, 11:19 AM
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if it is there now, it is always there until it either runs through it life cycle without access to a host and dies out (fallow period). or is exterminated through medication and/or other techniques like tank transfer. garlic is useless, and actually may not be good for fish. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/sp/ you're just as well off ditching the garlic and practicing Santeria to try to cure it.
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10/22/2014, 01:14 PM
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When ich has already broken out in DT, the advantage of TTM is rather moot.
You have to support your fish for 12 weeks of fallowing of the DT. Once you have gone thru the preparation to support your fish for 12 weeks, slow and less laborous method of ich eradication becomes even more advantagous. |
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10/22/2014, 01:25 PM
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So what do you suggest?
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10/22/2014, 01:29 PM
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Otherwise, you'll simply be continuously exposing your fish to the same parasite in perpetuity. |
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10/22/2014, 01:39 PM
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Use levamisole is the answer. We can back track all we want about quarantine tanks and how you should have set one up but that doesn't help the current situation. In the future please use a quarantine tank and do things properly. In your case though levamasole will work and will kill the ich quickly. You will not have problems in the future and you should be feeding a food with immune system boosters etc, something like what we make. The reason most hobbyists don't know about levamisole is because it's a closely guarded secret amongst certain professionals like myself. I have a PhD in ichthyology and fisheries management and have been a professional for over 2 decades. I don't have to guard secrets anymore because I have moved to a successful online aquarium shop and manufacturer of a new aquarium food. My articles get praised by PhDs in the field and I am not trying to sound too big for my britches or brag but instead to let you know where the advice is coming from. Levamisole will work if you do it right and give it a shot. It will also not cause any secondary Infections. It works in freshwater planted aquariums where copper based meds shouldn't be used as well. Cheers!
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