missing clown.

[Salty Cracker]

Woke up today to find one of my snow flakes missing. Looked every where could not find her. Tested the water and the ammonia and nitrates were very high. I have about a dozen tonga nass snails in the tank. If my clwon bit the dust would the snails take her into the sand bed? Because I don't see any sign of her. I just did a big water change to help the ammonia and nitrates and kicked up the carbon. Also two nights ago the nem died and I did a 40% water change to help clear the stinging cells that were hurting my corals. With two big water changes in three days will this hurt my tank?

[MondoBongo]

the ammonia will hurt your tank more than the water changes will. i would keep testing, and if necessary prepare some more water changes. you may also want to consider an ammonia neutralizer like amquel or similar.

this of course assumes the tank is fully cycled.

as far as the missing clown, it is entirely possible that your clean up crew got it. you'd be surprised how quickly even large fish can vanish to a good CUC.

why did the nem die? it sounds like you are having some issues.

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i went back and looked. appears your nem got sucked in to a powerhead and vaporized? that sucks. that's one of the main reasons i don't keep nems. hopefully everything will work out for you. sorry for your losses.

[Salty Cracker]

I did a 20 gallon water change on a 50 gallon breeder. And have the RO system going to make 50 more gallons. I have a duel gfo/carbon reactor so I dumped the gfo and filled it with carbon and cranked it up. I learned my lesson on nems! A ten dollar nem can nuke a whole tank. My next question is if my tonga nass snails took the clown into the sand bed should I sift the sand to see if there is still parts of the clown left to help stop the ammonia?

[FraggledRock]

Cleanup crew had fancy feast...

Did you notice spots or white slime on it before it disappeared?

Brooklynella kills FAST! Research it.

[FraggledRock]

Originally Posted by Salty Cracker

I did a 20 gallon water change on a 50 gallon breeder. And have the RO system going to make 50 more gallons. I have a duel gfo/carbon reactor so I dumped the gfo and filled it with carbon and cranked it up. I learned my lesson on nems! A ten dollar nem can nuke a whole tank. My next question is if my tonga nass snails took the clown into the sand bed should I sift the sand to see if there is still parts of the clown left to help stop the ammonia?

There will be nothing left within 24 hours if your tank was cycled. And nasses dont usually do that they just devour it :/

[Salty Cracker]

No slime or spots.

[MondoBongo]

i would probably not disturb the sand bed much. the chances of finding any leftovers are slim to none anyways. nassarius snails do a good job of making things disappear. sifting or otherwise massively disturbing the sand bed might make things worse.

aside from the amquel type products, if you have ready access to any of the probiotic things like SeaChem stablility, or other bacteria in a bottle products, it might not hurt to dose a little of them as well. i've never been 100% sure on their efficacy, but in this situation it couldn't hurt. anything to try to bind or convert that ammonia up as you're working through your water changes.

i love nems, but it seems like everyone i know who has kept one has a story about it getting sucked in to a powerhead and nuking the tank. eventually i would like to set up a small cube on a closed loop for nems and clowns.

[Salty Cracker]

Ok after looking at the other closwn I see a small section of white slime behind its head. I going to assume its ick. So now all my fish are going to qt tank. If i set up a 30 gallon tank with a little copper, drop the salinity, and crank up the heat a little four about six weeks can I save my live stock.

[MondoBongo]

that's unfortunate. you might want to head over to the disease forum to try to get a definitive diagnosis and course of treatment.

good luck.

[FraggledRock]

Originally Posted by Salty Cracker

Ok after looking at the other closwn I see a small section of white slime behind its head. I going to assume its ick. So now all my fish are going to qt tank. If i set up a 30 gallon tank with a little copper, drop the salinity, and crank up the heat a little four about six weeks can I save my live stock.

please dont assume, if it is Brooklynella you really have only a few hours to get it into quarantine or that will "disappear" too. that happened to me last month, and I used that time to go Fallow and go bigger with my setup.

Now i have a Quarantine Tank that i will be implementing for the future fish introduce!

[FraggledRock]

http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/ich...ooklynella.htm

Brooklynella aka Brook aka Oodinium. i call call it OohSh*t!

[Salty Cracker]

My wife felt bad about the nem dying and went out and bought a small zoa frag and just dumped the frag and water from the LFS two days ago.... now my other snow flake is showing signs. So all fish into the qt tank for a few weeks. I just hope my corals can survive the reef tank.

[FraggledRock]

Originally Posted by Salty Cracker

My wife felt bad about the nem dying and went out and bought a small zoa frag and just dumped the frag and water from the LFS two days ago.... now my other snow flake is showing signs. So all fish into the qt tank for a few weeks. I just hope my corals can survive the reef tank.

the corals will be just fine without the fish =)

I would reccommend highly to try and extend a few weeks to atleast 2 months/8 weeks (lifecycle of ich). You may cure the parasites in your QT but the eggs will still be there in the DT and if you rush you're healthy fish back into the QT, they will get sick AGAIN and then you will start all over again if the parasite didn't die off with enough time.... so its 2 months now or 6 months total for rushing and doing it again when they show signs again...